Patron - You were very quick to close my other thread and I would like an explanation as to why.

Although I am looking to use bmi Miles I wish to fly LH as my Girlfriend will be on a paid Business Class ticket. I am keen to know what sort of capacity control or blackouts LH operate on JNB-FRA.

You should consider giving others the opportunity to respond with their views before you close threads quite so quickly.

I think, but am not sure, that your beef might be with bmi? I just booked award travel for January 2004 (MUC-JNB) in F using UA miles without a problem. There seemed to be a fair amount of space. I must say that it is always easier for me to get award space on LH using UA miles than it is to get Saver award space on UA using UA miles?

Gaza, I fully agree with you that it is a 100% LH questions as it�s not about bmi or any other airline. But if you look back on the LH forum you will see that we have the most moderated forum here

Gaza asked if LH has blackout dates for FRA-JNB this is definately a question for this forum so it shouldn�t have been closed.

So I�ll try to answer it here for you.

LH has no blackout dates but FRA-JNB-FRA is always packed so it�s not easy to get an award ticket in the premium classes. Especially in the African summer there are many full-fare pax so they won�t release award tickets. I had the best luck when calling SEN service a couple of days before I wanted to fly.

Tim

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transpac - You make an interesting point. I am making the assumption that for a *A Award then all A* Carriers have access to the same inventory. This could be incorrect.

The specific date I am looking at is the 3rd January. I'm not sure if LH have an on-line tool for booking Reward flights but if they have I'd be interested to know if any M&M members can get Business or First on this date for JNB-FRA-EDI.

Thanks for your support and answer.

Looking at Galileo I see:-

JNB-FRA 3rd Jan - F2 A1 C9 D9 Z9 Y0 B0 MC HC

I had hoped that with so much availability in Business I stood a chance of getting an award but it was not to be. Looking at KL, BA and VS during this time paid availability is poor but there are occasional reward dates popping up.

Yesterday my Girlfriend managed to get a great deal EDI-FRA-CPT-(surface)JNB-FRA-EDI in Business for �1600 including taxes. I'm flying to CPT on the last Intercontinental leg of an oneworld Explorer ticket. If I cannot find a reward flight I will book at paid flight however, the cheapest one-way I can find is around �1800 (converted from ZAR), �200 more than my GF is paying for a round trip!

LH 573 JNB-FRA on 3 Jan 2004 has ~ 26 open C seats. It's best avoid the weekends if you can. I'd think that one should be able to get an award. Do you any status with LH? Can you ask someone else at bmi for additional help?

One can book award on-line at LH's website although I've never done it nor am I sure if I can exit out after I determine availability? I'll try mucking around with it later and report any findings.

I closed this thread and moved it to the BD forum, because this is the best place to discuss Diamond Club issues.
As the thread you opened stayed on the LH forum, everybody has the opportunity to respond by simple clicking on the link I provided and within seconds the thread in question will appear.

This thread is about moderation (and not about M&M); the best place to discuss such issues is the Only Randy Petersen forum and for housekeeping purposes I move it there.

[i]Patron
Talk Team Moderator

Randy

I would like your view on Patrons decision to close my orignal post on LH and move it to bmi.

I think its relevance to LH has been proved by the two responses.

In my opinion he is way too quick to close threads.

If we want to be VERY picky then we can say that my post was not strictly about M&M but it was relanted to LH and award inventory. However, if this test was applied throughout FT then 99.9% of threads would be closed.

I agree that patron is WAY too quick to close threads and move them elsewhere.

The fact remains that BMI points are redeemable on LH (along with the millions of other Evil Empire (aka Star Alliance) carriers.

Questions about redeeming BMI points on LH (or any of the other Evil Empire carriers) are not OFF-TOPIC in ANY of the appropriate forums.

the appropriate forums, AFAIAC, are BMI, LH (for these flights) and Evil Empire (AKA Star Alliance).

I note an increasing propensity for some moderators to decide that posts do not belong in "their forums" and to arbitrarily close the thread and/or move it elsewhere.

FT "used" to be a fun and informative place to be, now there a bunch of little "XXXXXX" running around. patron seems to be one of them.

Dave

Note: FlyerTalk edited a comment in this post which you can see from subsequent posts, was deemed by a variety of members to not be worthy on FlyerTalk. This member seemed to be so intent on critcizing a moderator that they were blind that their own member actions was less than acceptable. There is something to be said about glass houses and throwing stones......


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I think you should consider editing your post. No matter how upset you are calling someone this doesn't seem appropriate on FT

(edited out quote of your post)


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No matter how much you disagree with someone's moderating there's is there really any merit in comparing them to XXXXXX?!? Get a [bad word] grip already.

[Edited to remove offensive quote.]

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thadocta, you should delete that part of your post, it is way out of line (and distracts from a valid criticism).

Well thadocta ... even in your own 'home' forum Qantas this is a present problem as you realise.

Even when the threads are 100% related to Qantas, but mention Patron's Star co-Moderator kawoh being stripped of his Qantas Platinum card and all his QF points for a silly scam, it is locked. However, threads that have nothing to do with Qantas, i.e. red wine discussion, run for 50 posts with the Moderator happily adding his views.

In that linked thread above it is mentioned I too posted a month or two back that the Star Alliance Forum seemed to have an awful lot of locked and closed threads for a "quiet" Forum. Patron and I had a few champagnes here over Easter, and totally by co-incidence I am sure, there has not been one locked since.

I too would hope that an edit might be made of your comments about a WW2 personality. Patron is from the same country of birth, (which you may not realise) and it is not a term to use about ANY FlyerTalker for any reason - IMO.

Moderators have a pretty thankless job, and whilst not all FT'ers will agree with all their calls, using terms like that is surely not necessary?

100% agree with OZ here, that was really, really inappropriate!


On the topic: Every moderator of course has his own way of work and of understanding the moderation guidelines. I would think that Patron is 100% within those guidelines. It is really a thankless job and I don't understand why sometimes there is such a hassle about the one or other closed/moved thread. Especially if you understand that Patron doesn't just close a thread but provides some information about why he did that and puting in a link to the new position of the thread so that it can easily be continued at its new home.

That is really much work and I don't know many other moderators that invest so much time and dedication into their work (me included...).

ralfkrippner
Community and KLM moderator

thadocta: (NNNN edited in by Rudi).

such namings discredit every argument you have posted - when a former german minister used that name in comparison with a current head of state, he lost his job (automn 2002).

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