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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by NJDavid: If you really enjoy sifting through the dirt and mud to find the gold, enjoy. I think it'd be a whole lot easier to just prevent the dirt and mud. </font> So lets try to change things for the better. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by PG: Actually - most of the mud has been these flame wars, for which both you and I are guilty. So lets try to change things for the better.</font> In the days of the "wild west" everyone wore guns and defended themselves. Effective policing (sheriffs, marshals) stopped that. Every attempt to take the high road with FT flamers (offers to delete inflammatory posts, stop making them, etc.) has been met with either no return gesture, or an accusation of self-righteousness. Flyertalk is in its wild west period. You and I are not to blame if we defend ourselves from attacks. I have vowed to retaliate for each and every one, and plan to keep that vow, until we have effective policing (moderating). But, sadly, that is still off the topic of this thread, except for that fact that IMHO it is Flyertalk's single biggest issue now, and the so called Talkboard (who's membership includes and/or included some of the worst offenders) has not addressed it. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by NJDavid: Respectfully (and I mean that) I disagree. In the days of the "wild west" everyone wore guns and defended themselves. Effective policing (sheriffs, marshals) stopped that. Every attempt to take the high road with FT flamers (offers to delete inflammatory posts, stop making them, etc.) has been met with either no return gesture, or an accusation of self-righteousness. Flyertalk is in its wild west period. You and I are not to blame if we defend ourselves from attacks. I have vowed to retaliate for each and every one, and plan to keep that vow, until we have effective policing (moderating). But, sadly, that is still off the topic of this thread, except for that fact that IMHO it is Flyertalk's single biggest issue now, and the so called Talkboard (who's membership includes and/or included some of the worst offenders) has not addressed it.</font> So there will effectively be no "peace" then - at least while you remain on the FT boards? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif May I most respectfully and humbly suggest that you review and re-evaluate your position! The "rules"/TOS surely apply to ALL FT'ers and "two wrongs do not make a right", IMHO! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif |
link to standard response to Doc personal attack
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by PG: Actually - most of the mud has been these flame wars, for which both you and I are guilty. So lets try to change things for the better.</font> I've followed the FT boards pretty closely and I have yet to EVER observe you "flame" anyone, at any time, anywhere, PG! Have I perhaps missed something? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif Nonetheless, I greatly appreciate your very well intentioned suggestion above for a no questions asked type of "cease fire" http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif [This message has been edited by doc (edited 02-21-2002).] |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by NJDavid: Flyertalk is in its wild west period.</font> It is really awful to see how the lack of enforcement of common decency brings out the worst in people, going for the person instead of the issue. I hope this will change, I work to make it change, and I hope it will change soon. Quite frankly, even though FT consists of so many wonderful people, several of whom I have had the priveledge and opportunity to meet in person, I must admit, that the totally unacceptable behaivor by several "FT'ers" is getting close to the limit. If it does not stop soon, somebody will toss the towel in the ring and go on live his life, happily, he has a life outside this forum, unlike some sad souls. -edit: corrected a small spelling error [This message has been edited by Goldlust (edited 02-22-2002).] |
Goldlust...
The thing that really freaks me out is that even though some of the fanatics actually have lives outside FT (for some including spouses and children) they still don't seem to have a life outside of FT! I just don't get it!? I don't know if it makes me sad or cracks me up?! Dorian |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">people who'd rather just close their eyes, go get another drink and tell a joke than do anything about the problem and/or people </font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by kokonutz: Hmmm...I guess that pretty much accurately describes me at this point in this thread http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif</font> |
The following editorial comments are directed at nobody and everybody.
It takes a tremendous amount of energy to be mean and stay mean, it takes none to be nice. A radio has a volume control.... and an off switch. And to use the poor grammar of a Delta preflight announcement, please place your devices in the off position TW |
As you can see from my # of posts, I'm new to FT but I share the same frustrations (and at the same time the love for the site) that you "Elders" have voiced as to the structure/leadership of the Board.
I have many opinions and observations but will keep them to myself right now as I watch the whole thing continue to unfold. |
Do we have Moderators on FT now?
If so, then what's this? --- <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by essxjay: doc = the ultimate troll. Knock it off, doc! FT'ers have access to newspapers, offline as well as online. We don't need you to republish info from other sources. You are an unbelievable jerk!</font> http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/004374.html --- What should be done about such a post as this? Is there a reason why nothing has seemingly been done about this in the past? Is this an issue for the TalkBoard? Thanks! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif -Mark [This message has been edited by doc (edited 02-24-2002).] |
Effective moderating???
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by essxjay: doc = the ultimate troll. Knock it off, doc! FT'ers have access to newspapers, offline as well as online. We don't need you to republish info from other sources. You are an unbelievable jerk!</font> --- If there is a reason why nothing is being done about this, please let me know. Just asking? Thanks! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif |
Ooh, someone is full of existential angst!
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"> In the universe suddenly restored to its silence, the myriad wondering little voices of the earth rise up. </font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by essxjay: doc = the ultimate troll. You are an unbelievable jerk!</font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by doc: If there is a reason why nothing is being done about this, please let me know. </font> ...uh, maybe because its the truth... [This message has been edited by NJDavid (edited 02-24-2002).] |
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