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Great! I, for one, am VERY glad to hear that this "issue" is now finally resolved! Thanks! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Randy owns the web site. I'd much rather have users be represented by someone they choose to elect rather than someone whom NJDavid thinks highly of (no offense to PremEx or to NJDavid here - and to get the gist of what I am saying replace NJDavid with any other FT user).

Its fine to me that we all are "anonymous e-mail accounts with no verifications". The failure of MoreMiles shows that the verification does not really bring anything of substance.

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THAT is a completely different subject. I doubt that the people still active there would call it a failure, even though I would agree with that classification. I do not agree it was because of verification. I believe it was because the people involved let personal relationships override their sense of morality. One either has rules, or does not - "rules for only some" will always lead to anarchy.

Verification brings honesty and trust. Rules bring order and equality. Enforcing them in a large community is essential for the health of all it's members. Here on FT, allowing the "election" or appointment of known rule breakers and/or people who'd rather just close their eyes, go get another drink and tell a joke than do anything about the problem and/or people who do not believe in rules in the first place doomed the Talkboard from the start. You have the results of that failure here for all to see.



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IMO, honesty and trust ONLY exist when you've got NOTHING else to go on but faith in the other individual.

The last time I checked, Travelocity will not sell you airline tickets on faith. If you want them to take you seriously, you give them your home address and credit card number. They only risk their services on you when they trust you are an honest customer. Faith is cute but irrelevant on the internet.

Randy had faith in his appointees to the Talkboard...'nuff said.


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"Randy had faith in his appointees to the Talkboard"

To the best of my knowledge, Randy still has full faith in his appointees (the old/resigned ones: Punki, svpii, dorian and me, and the new ones), and I see now reason why he shouldn't.

And yes, I don't know of any still activ founder member of that 'other' board (and trust me, I know them very well), that would judge that 'other' board a failure.

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Travelocity? FT? Selling you airline tickets? Risk?

So if only Punki, Rudi, Dorian and Pam would have provided Randy with their credit card numbers and their proper home address... what??? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

FWIW, are there never any errors on Travelocity?

And therefore what? Your "point" is what, exactly? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/confused.gif

Life is so very simple for some, it would appear!


As "brilove" among others, once commented previously:

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/001065.html

VERY wise words indeed, IMHO! It's all about travel and miles and points insofar as I can see. I'll be most pleased now to get back to the proper subject matter at hand! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Have a great evening everyone!

Hey NJDavid...

This quote of yours: "Randy had faith in his appointees to the Talkboard"

...well it goes both ways buddy!


Dorian

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While I speak only for myself, of course, I agree and strongly believe that this is quite true and that most, if not all FT'ers, share this view that Randy made VERY fine selections and that he did so with the very best intentions, and in the best interests of those using and contributing to these FT boards! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

While I too admittedly wish that they all remained intact, I also assume that all the TB members also did their very best under the circumstances presented!

Sadly, now providing a link to another thread they willfully chose to initiate, drenched in both irony and pathos, entitled "Personal topic to save typing" serves as their latest apparent "solution?"

When is it time for a genuine "intervention" of some sort? Or has that time perhaps already passed? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

Perhaps we can ALL look within ourselves to eek out the very best in each of us - and let's move ahead in peace with a willingnss to help each other! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif


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I guess I view relationships with individuals in a different light than relationships with non-human entities (travelocity, airlines, etc.)


Some of my faith based internet experiences include:

- Meeting Catman, an unknown to me in the spring of 1999, for a beer (first time I ever met a FT'er).
- Trusting that Rudi, who I only knew through the internet, would be at the Zurich airport as promised to welcome me to Switzerland.
- Getting on an airplane to fly to TPA to have dinner with 10 individuals who I had never met, had NO way of knowing anything about, yet trusting that their backgrounds were exactly as they had offered to me as 'the truth'.

I fear that if my life were given 100% verification and certainty, I would somehow be less human. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

(edited for poor spelling)

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Each of those faith based internet experiences, while wonderful in nature, began or culminated in a personal meeting, ensuring verification. That is a far cry from calling an internet only "election" a democracy, or a web-based venture a "faith based experience", where many of the people either "are or are indistinguishable from a 13 year old with too much time on his hands".

I've received plenty of good information from and I have given plenty of good information to people in this board whom I've never met or verified. Age is immaterial - some of these people could have been 13 year old for all I know - does it matter? - NO.

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And there were also instances of teenagers claiming to be elite world travelers, of people claiming to be wealthy and have conections for arranging stays, and people giving information about elite status on airlines they have never (or hardly ever) flown.

If you really enjoy sifting through the dirt and mud to find the gold, enjoy. I think it'd be a whole lot easier to just prevent the dirt and mud.

But IMHO we have strayed from the original topic a bit too far now.

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Hmm... what should "it" (the election) be properly called? And what's the "rightful" alternative?

Are we in fact witnessing the actual birth here on FT of a new US based "group" or "faction" to champion the right of all FF's worldwide to be subjugated by dictators? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

Will they be called "Americans for Worldwide Dictatorship" or is that name a bit too Americentric! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

BTW, what do you have against 13 yr olds? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/confused.gif

I personally find them to be refreshingly youthful! Just my opinion of course! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif