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Is Dorian to be somehow held responsible for the election of "cigarman?"

You're mad at everyone - those who voted and those who didn't, I guess?

Is Dorian not "absent" now from the TalkBoard, since he'd decided to tender his resignation?

To this casual observer, it seems that your "beef" is more rightfully to be placed against Randy and his "poor" judgement, no?

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Goldlust - C'mon! Are you actually saying that you disagree with the point Dorian posted above about the two individuals being in violation of the TOS?

I surely hope not!

PLEASE be kind enough to clarify this for everyone, thanks!

Do you think that there is any doubt at all about this whatsoever?

BTW, Dorian, IMHO, seems to feel that one should always be completely honest and outspoken (perhaps even to a fault in the minds of some) and yet always retain a modicum of respect for the opposing view and particularly the folks that hold such views.

In contrast, there are others who willfully, regularly "flame" and literally show no respect for opposing views nor the people expressing them. They truly feel "justified" making these repeated TOS violations on the basis that they simply "know" what is "right" and in the best interests of FT and all FT'ers - and so it is not a flame you see!

A simple corollary here is:

If you disagree with such a person or quote their own words back to them, then you are "flaming" them!

It's very simple really!

Check out this thread for an explanation, particularly on what a "flame" actually is:

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"...NJDavid quote: Originally posted by PG
Correct me if I am wrong, but I read the thread carefully and couldn't find anything that was off-topic or a personal attack.

Perhaps you missed this part:

quote: NJDavid
...or simply proof that you will post an opposite opinion from me just to be able to oppose me personally...

PG

ok so why lump in the off-topic or personal attack bit?

BTW - that "simply proof" bit is a bit impossible to prove or disprove one way or the other.

NJDavid

All three categories are personal attacks. Some are just better hidden than others.

PG

quote: Originally posted by NJDavid:

All three categories are personal attacks. Some are just better hidden than others.

That seems to be upping the ante. Shouldn't we be careful about calling anything (especially strong dissenting opinons) "a personal attack".

NJDavid

Careful, yes... Ignore patterns of behavior, no.

ExpoTrac

Forgive me NJDavid if you consider this a personal attack, but it seems that this topic is off-topic, if you will, and not what this board is for. I can't believe that there are that many FT posters out to get you! I think this thread should be locked by the Moderator..."

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/004327.html

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I hope the explanation provided in response to PG's questions clarifies matters sufficiently for everyone!

NJDavid,

Unfortunately I have no idea what you are talking about.

To my knowledge I have not violated FT TOS except possibly in the most extreme of interpretations.

You, NJDavid, have violated the FT TOS.

Dorian

Isn't it ironic that yesterday you were railing against the anonymous e-mail holders, yet today those anonymous e-mail holders are your strongest defense.

I do not know for sure, but it would surely seem to be so, based upon your behavior here on FT, no?

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Well, there's absolutely no question that your taste is bad... it's VERY bad!

While I speak not for Dorian, nor anyone else, but IMHO, obtaining some substantial improvement in your "taste," or the actual lack thereof up 'til now, is what he and others are perhaps very likely are after!

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You mean like you and "Ess" and how you have attempted to rationalize her making such profoundly tastless "flaming" posts in violation of the TOS?

Yeah, that IS reprehensible for sure.

Spot on! Uh... that's actually HIS point I believe! EVERYBODY including YOU and your "friends."

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...I have received more than 25 messages from other members of this community yesterday and today, thanking me for taking a stand that they are afraid to attach their name to, for fear of the kind of repraisals I have suffered here. That is a terrible shame.[/QUOTE]

Wow! The "Silent Majority" lives on it would seem. And here I'd thought that this concept had actually gone out with the old Nixon administration long ago!

It is indeed a real shame if any of these people have actually shown any kind of support or thanks to or for you in "flaming" other FT'ers!

FT is not a perfect place. It's just like the rest of the world in that respect! Yet, together we can ALL work to make it better IF we are willing!

The more things change....

Hey, can I buy anyone here a drink???? http://photos.yahoo.com/mattwald

Oh, and...
What's the difference between a condom and a cokpit?

You can only fit one di**head into a condom...

[This message has been edited by kokonutz (edited 02-25-2002).]

in that vein

whatever happened to the good old days where the worst experience that an FT'er could have was to be beat up by apack of ruffians outside a bar?

They are alive and well.

Click here again: http://photos.yahoo.com/mattwald

And pay no attention to either the man behind the curtain NOR any of the posts above...

They ARE alive and well!!

In fact, rumor has it you can even get kidnapped at the Red Carpet Club at IAD, booked with no luggage into seat 1-A on a plane bound for New Orleans, and find yourself on Bourbon Street until the wee hours of the morning...

That sounds like a hell of a lot more fun than *****ing and moaning about who said what to whom in this that and the other FT forums...





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An excellent point from a seemingly very wise individual, IMHO, and I share much agreement with it!

I have not taken a stand as to whether the attacks Dorian brought up were in violation (however, doc, if you say they are I trust that they are; your word is all I need on that).

What I did find amazing was the fact that the individual Dorian was the one to bring up TOS violations. Considering that he has posted messages applauding personal attacks on my person, I feel an urge to quote Cicero; "Quis tulerit Grachos de seditione querentes." Or even better, let me quote Joseph Welch, special counsel in the 1954 Army-McCarthy hearings (quote was used in wrong context by Eugene recently, but now I am using it right): "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you no sense of decency?"

Sad, really, that people with 2000+ posts (like Dorian and Shareholder) can violate the TOS and attack people with impunity. I gues decency is not a city in Canada.

The sad thing, apart from the lives of those mentioned indiviuals, is that nothing is being done about it.

Obviously those honorable people (a group, which I with this message in this context can no longer claim to be a part of) who do not attack back like kids, are the people who are really suffering, they, the honorable ones, are the true victims. Because of their adult behaviour (something found lacking amongst a great number of people here) those all time low personal attack threads - like the one started in the TalkBoard issues forum by Shareholder - are left standing with insults.

Of course, the real insult, is the fact that when sensible people read those attacks, they will of course reach the conclusion that the attackers obviously need treatment - I know that, but the little pleasure of having that knowledge is not enough for me.

True action must be taken, or the low lives will continue to flourish here.

PS: Dorian: a personal attack does not require the use of certain words, the fact that mallice on the culprit's (your) part is involved will suffice.




[This message has been edited by Goldlust (edited 02-25-2002).]

Whew, leave for a few hours (to actually live a normal life) and the weeds overtake the walls on this topic.

In order:

Doc, you are hopeless. I have no doubt you will find paragraph upon paragraph to post in response to that one sentence. (I'm not sure if it's because you actually believe that you are always the victim, or because you just like to see your own words, but then again I don't know if you know, so whatever.)...Go to town.

Dorian, you pair yourself with Doc as in the "I can never be wrong" twins. I guess it's just because you "just say what's on your mind" as "your friends know that's the kind of person you are". You and I know the truth. That's all I need to feel justified.

PG: I find your arguments constantly well thought out, but always in opposition to me, and I haven't a clue why. Take here, for example, I mention people who have sent me e-mails in support, and you somehow equate that with people who do not list an e-mail in their on-line profile and my comments about that years ago. Perhaps this is the best example we have of you first deciding to be in opposition to me, then looking for some reason for it. Whatever.

Koko, Geo, all my old pals - sorry, I've never been the kind to find dead livers, slurred speech, drooling, waking up in strange places, missing committments, lying, etc "fun". Hey, the next round's on me, tomorrow you won't remember what you took seriuously today anyway - if anything.

And after all is said here on this thread, nothing is done. And that's the saddest part of all.

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So you do not wish then to indulge the "hopeless" and specifically address the various concerns raised?

BTW, who is the victim here?

Noting your chagrin regarding nothing being done, I wonder what is it that you do expect to accomplish, if anything?

Just asking!

I'm going to suggest to Randy a special board for the key players involved in the above diatribe. This way none of us will have to read it.

And for the record, as a native Broolynite, I don't enjoy having my intelligence insulted by the 'overstatements' I've read above.

Maybe those 25 people can personally e mail me to find out what they are.

NJDavid,

I don't know what you mean by saying "you and I know the truth"...sorry.

Is it meant to be some type of argument or simply trying to divert attention from your TOS violation?

You are correct however in saying it is sad that nothing has been done as far as suspending both you and essxjay for your TOS violations.

Dorian

Oops -- excuse me, I thought this was a group of people who like to talk about frequent flyer programs.