xONE pricing up
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The FEZSQ rules are extremely restrictive. SQ only, must travel in one direction only, and on a flight by flight basis, not just continent by continent. However, Europe is considered one zone, so you can fly JFK-FRA then surface or separately paid air to LHR or another European city, then Europe-SIN. It's paid F (A), so no 77W restrictions, but you do not get Suites on the 388. No interlining, so you can depart eastbound from US east coast, for example, then return to SFO, LAX or IAH only. (SIN-IAH is via DME and is considered TPAC.) You're on your own getting back to your point of origin, JFK.
And this is only the beginning. Read the rules carefully. Depending on where you're going, this may be the best deal out there right now, IMO.
And this is only the beginning. Read the rules carefully. Depending on where you're going, this may be the best deal out there right now, IMO.
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The FEZSQ rules are extremely restrictive. SQ only, must travel in one direction only, and on a flight by flight basis, not just continent by continent. However, Europe is considered one zone, so you can fly JFK-FRA then surface or separately paid air to LHR or another European city, then Europe-SIN. It's paid F (A), so no 77W restrictions, but you do not get Suites on the 388. No interlining, so you can depart eastbound from US east coast, for example, then return to SFO, LAX or IAH only. (SIN-IAH is via DME and is considered TPAC.) You're on your own getting back to your point of origin, JFK.
And this is only the beginning. Read the rules carefully. Depending on where you're going, this may be the best deal out there right now, IMO.
And this is only the beginning. Read the rules carefully. Depending on where you're going, this may be the best deal out there right now, IMO.
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I booked a DCIR22 our of MNL yesterday to find that the base price had increased by about US$250 over that published on the OW website. Checked the website again only to find the "old" price but it noted that all fares had been updated on Nov 6... Must be some issue with keeping the website up to date. Unless the new pricing tool which compares all fares xONEx, xGLOBx etc. is the only one showing updated pricing. Hmmmm
Just found out that I have been charged for an additional stopover - yet only one of my three stops is longer than 24 hours. Should I query that?
Just found out that I have been charged for an additional stopover - yet only one of my three stops is longer than 24 hours. Should I query that?
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I booked a DCIR22 our of MNL yesterday to find that the base price had increased by about US$250 over that published on the OW website. Checked the website again only to find the "old" price but it noted that all fares had been updated on Nov 6... Must be some issue with keeping the website up to date. Unless the new pricing tool which compares all fares xONEx, xGLOBx etc. is the only one showing updated pricing. Hmmmm
Just found out that I have been charged for an additional stopover - yet only one of my three stops is longer than 24 hours. Should I query that?
Just found out that I have been charged for an additional stopover - yet only one of my three stops is longer than 24 hours. Should I query that?
Two things may be happening with your base fare. The GSA in MNL may tack on a $250. ticketing charge.
The second is the connection. If it is a connection the city should have an X behind it:
SQ2 Singapore Hong KongX
SQ2 Hong Kong-San Francisco
ETC
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I am afraid that the price hike in UK is so much that I will not have the budget to buy any XONEX in the near future. It is 61% up compare with the LONE4 price before June 2008 and now.
Unless oneWorld make sure that all LONEX booked in L class can earn 100% of the base point/tier points, the current fare do not give me any incentive to take them.
Unless oneWorld make sure that all LONEX booked in L class can earn 100% of the base point/tier points, the current fare do not give me any incentive to take them.
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Is everyone else still getting the Old Rule Sheets for the xONEx - I am still getting a version without an MX logo and MX references.
Wondering if it is some proxy issue, or whehter the new rules have not been uploaded.
Wondering if it is some proxy issue, or whehter the new rules have not been uploaded.
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Select document properties.
I get a last modified date of 3rd November 2009.
... and, no, it does not appear to have been updated.
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As for the rules, here what Expert Flyer currently provides
(Dang! vbulletin has changed all the caps to lower case!!! )
Flight application
advance res/ticketing
minimum stay
maximum stay
stopovers
transfers
permitted combinations
surcharges
sales restrictions
penalties
ticket endorsement
children discounts
tour conductor discounts
agent discounts
all other discounts
groups
Flight application
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unless otherwise specified . Note - fares only apply on any aa/ay/ba/cx/ib/jc/jl/ jo/ka/la/lp/ma/mx/nu/qf/rj/xl/4m flight. --- a.travel must be via the atlantic and pacific oceans and only one crossing of each ocean is permitted. B.travel must be in a continuous forward direction between tc1 - tc2 - tc3. Backtracking within a continent is permitted except backtracking between hawaii and continental us/canada is not permitted. C. Travel may originate at any point for which fare are published and must terminate at the same point except that origin - destination surface segments are permitted as follow - a- within the country of origin b- within the middle east c- between the united state and canada d- between hkg and china e- between malaysia and singapore f- within africa g- between maldives and srilanka/india --- d. Travel may not be via the point of origin --- e. Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows - 1. Two permitted in north america when one is a transfer without stopover. 2. Two permitted in asia when one is a transfer without stopover or on direct single plane service between southwest pacific and europe. 3. For travel to/from/via ghana/nigeria/kenya uganda and tanzania two permitted in europe when one is a transfer without stopover between ghana/nigeria/kenya/uganda/tanzania and another continent. F.only one international departure and one international arrival to/from the country of origin permitted - exception two permitted for origin usa when one arrival/departure is a transfer without stopover. Note - travel between us and canada is not counted as international. G.intermediate surface sectors are permitted at the passengers expense. Transoceanic surface sectors between tc1-tc2 and tc1-tc3 are not permitted. Exception - for travel originating in south west pacific one transoceanic surface sector between tc1-tc2 or tc1-tc3 permitted. H.a minimum of 3 and maximum of 16 segments including surface segments between any 2 airports are permitted for the entire journey. Free flight segments within each continent are limited as follows - africa 4 asia 4 europe/middle east 4 - not more than 2 of which may be between the uk and algeria/bosnia and herzegovina/bulgaria/croatia/cyprus/greece/libya /israel/malta/middle east/morocco/portugal/ romania/russia/serbia/tunisia/ukraine whether part of the free continent allowance of 4 copons purchased as additional coupons or a combinationof both. North america 6 south america 4 southwest pacific 4 two additional flight segments within each continent except continent of origin may be purchased. Each additional segment at charge - first - usd550/aud750/gbp350/hkd4300/eur450 jpy65000 business - usd400/aud500/gbp200/hkd3200/eur300 jpy48000 economy - usd150/aud200/gbp 75/hkd1200/eur100 jpy18000 the fare class of the purchased flight segments may be lower than that of the oneworld explorer. The charge should be shown as -q- in the fare calculation immediately following the city pair. If the currency of ticket origin is not shown convert the usd amount at the bsr except origin new zealand convert the aud amount at bsr. I.travel on any aa/ay/ba/cx/ib/jc/jl/jo/ka/la/mx/ lp/ma/nu/qf/rj/xl/4m codeshare service operated by aa/ay/ba/cx/ib/jc/jl/jo/ka/la/lp/ma/nu/qf/mx/ rj/xl/4m is permttied. Other codeshare services not permitted. - additionally travel permitted on the following airlines which are affiliated with/or wetlease providers to oneworld - - american airlines - american eagle incl flights operated by executive air/american connection - including flights operated by chautauqua - british airways - ba city flyer - incl flights operated by flightline/comair/sun air - iberia - air nostrum/gestair - japan airlines - j-air - lan airlines- lan express - malev - carpatair/base ltd/moldavian airlines - excluding bud-kiv vv - - mexican - mexicanaclick/mexicanalink - qantas - alliance airlines/qantas link operated by national jet systems/eastern australia/ sunstate airlines/jetconnect --- ground transportation services operated by/for ba/qf may not be included as part of the oneworld explorer. --- j.travel between australia and europe on a single flight number is considered travelling south west pacific-asia-europe via three continents. --- travel between japan and brazil on a single flight number is considered travelling asia-north america -south america through three continets. K.within the us/canada only one nonstop or single plane service transcontinental flight permitted. A transcontinental flight is defined as travel between a city in column -a- and a city in column -b-. A b baltimore md las vegas boston ma los angeles ca ft lauderdale fl oakland ca hartford ct portland or miami fl san diego ca newark nj san francisco ca new york ny san jose ca orlando fl seattle philadelphia pa vancouver bc san juan pr santa ana ca toronto on long beach ca washington dc additionally only one flight to anchorage -anc - and one flight from anchorage permitted. L.within australia only one nonstop/single plane service flight is permitted between the following points - bne/cns/syd/mel - per mel/syd - drw mel/syd - bme exception - 1. No restriction between syd/mel-per for passengers originating in per when in conjunction with travel to/from jnb/bom/sha/pek. 2. No restriction between syd/mel-per for passengers originating in new zealand when in conjunction with travel to/from jnb. M.nonstop transatlantic travel on aa between del and chi/ord is permitted. For travel ex south america/south west pacific - when this service is utilised a minimum of a 4 continent fare must be charged. For travel ex north america/asia - when this service is utilised a minimum of a 3 continent fare must be charged.
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unless otherwise specified note - a-reservations - 1. For travel originating in tc1 reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights are required at least 7 days prior to departure of the first flight. Subsequent segments may be open. Tickets must be issued at least 7 days in advance of the first flight. 2. For travel originating in tc2/3 reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure. Subsequent segments may be open. Tickets may be issued up to one hour prior to departure. --- ticketing 1. For economy class bookings - origin tc1 when reservations are made 22 or more days before departure ticketing must be completed at least 21 days before departure. When reservations are made 21 to 8 days before departure ticketing must be completed at least 7 days before departure. 2. For economy class bookings - origin except tc1 when reservations are made 22 or more days before departure ticketing must be completed at least 21 days before departure. When reservations are made 21 to 8 days before departure ticketing must be completed at least 7 days before departure. When reservations are made 7 days or less before departure ticketing must be completed prior to departure. ----- b-booking codes first business economy aa/ba/cx/qf/jl/jo/ka a d l la/lp a d/w l ay/ib/ma/rj/xl/4m/mx d d l la ipc-scl d d l ay/la/lp/xl/4m domestic/ aa flights 2700-5389 y y l jl domestic flts-to/from nrt j j h jl/nu/jc domestic flts-all other domestic points f j y ba world traveller plus t qf premium economy t jl premium economy w --- note - for flights where first or business class is not offered or available passengers may travel in a lower class in the applicable booking code for that lower class. The fare for the highest class used applies without compensation. Exception - for services within the usa where no business class is offered business class passenger may book and travel in first class booking code - a - subject to availability. This provision does not apply on any flight where business class exists but is unavailable for booking.
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unless otherwise specified travel from last international sector must commence no earlier than 10 days after departure of the first international sector.
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unless otherwise specified travel from last stopover must commence no later than 12 months after departure from fare origin.
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unless otherwise specified free stopovers permitted. Note - maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin . --- no stopover permitted in hong kong if travel is via hkg-fco on qf3860/3861.
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unless otherwise specified unlimited free transfers permitted on the pricing unit fare break and embedded surface sectors permitted on the fare component. Note - online/interline transfers permitted between aa/ay/ba/cx/ib/jc/jl/jo/ka/la/lp/ma/mx/nu/qf/rj/ xl/4m.
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unless otherwise specified single/double open jaws/round trips/circle trips not permitted. End-on-end not permitted. Add-ons not permitted.
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unless otherwise specified a surcharge applies. Note - passengers may travel in qf premium economy cabin or jl premium economy or ba world traveller plus cabin for an additional charge per flight segment of.... Sectors between swp-africa aud1250/gbp600/ jpy112000 sectors between swp-europe aud1250/gbp600/ jpy112000 sectors between swp-nth america aud1250/gbp600/ jpy112000 sectors between swp-sth america aud1250/gbp600/ jpy112000 sectors between swp-asia aud825/gbp400/ jpy70000 sectors between asia-nth america aud825/gbp400 /jpy70000 sectors between europe-africa aud825/gbp400 /jpy70000 sectors between europe-asia aud825/gbp400 /jpy70000 sectors between europe-nth america aud825/gbp400 /jpy70000 sectors between europe-sth america aud825/gbp400 /jpy70000 sectors within continents aud825/gbp400 /jpy70000 - book in t class - qf/ba book in w class - jl identify as a -q- in the fare calculation. Child/infant discounts apply. For tickets not issued in aud/gbp/jpy convert the aud amount at the bsr. Unless otherwise specified the provisions below apply only as follows - sale is restricted to specific agents. And - sale is restricted to specific agents. Tickets may only be sold in australia. A surcharge of aud 25.00 will be added to the applicable fare for travel. Note - the above surcharge applies only for - sales made in australia - by an agent that has not elected to participate in the opt-in programme. --- this surcharge does not apply if the fare is sold by an agent outside australia/new zealand. The provisions below apply only as follows - sale is restricted to specific agents. And - sale is restricted to specific agents. Tickets may only be sold in australia. A surcharge of aud 25.00 will be added to the applicable fare for travel. Note - the above surcharge applies only for - sales made in australia - by an agent that has not elected to participate in the opt-in programme. --- this surcharge does not apply if the fare is sold by an agent outside australia/new zealand. The provisions below apply only as follows - sale is restricted to specific agents. And - sale is restricted to specific agents. Tickets may only be sold in australia. A surcharge of aud 25.00 will be added to the applicable fare for travel. Note - the above surcharge applies only for - sales made in australia - by an agent that has not elected to participate in the opt-in programme. --- this surcharge does not apply if the fare is sold by an agent outside australia/new zealand. The provisions below apply only as follows - sale is restricted to specific agents. And - sale is restricted to specific agents. Tickets may only be sold in new zealand. A surcharge of nzd 25.00 will be added to the applicable fare for travel. Note - the above surcharge applies only for - sales made in new zealand - by an agent that has not elected to participate in the opt-in programme. --- this surcharge does not apply if the fare is sold by an agent outside australia/new zealand. The provisions below apply only as follows - sale is restricted to specific agents. And - sale is restricted to specific agents. Tickets may only be sold in new zealand. A surcharge of nzd 25.00 will be added to the applicable fare for travel. Note - the above surcharge applies only for - sales made in new zealand - by an agent that has not elected to participate in the opt-in programme. --- this surcharge does not apply if the fare is sold by an agent outside australia/new zealand. The provisions below apply only as follows - sale is restricted to specific agents. And - sale is restricted to specific agents. Tickets may only be sold in new zealand. A surcharge of nzd 25.00 will be added to the applicable fare for travel. Note - the above surcharge applies only for - sales made in new zealand - by an agent that has not elected to participate in the opt-in programme. --- this surcharge does not apply if the fare is sold by an agent outside australia/new zealand.
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unless otherwise specified extension of ticket validity is not permitted. Note - tickets must be issued on the stock of aa/ay/ba/ cx/ib/jl/ka/la/lp/ma/mx/qf/rj/xl/4m. --- if a ticket includes travel to/from/via cuba it may not include flight segments for travel on american airlines / american eagle including flights operated by executive air/american connection including flights operated by chautaugua due to us government restrictions. Any such ticket will not be honoured by aa and can not be used to travel on aa. --- when travel originates in a country for which the specific local currency fares is publised and the ticket is sold in another country the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale. Exception- not applicable for sale made and/or travel originating in canada or when both travel originates and sales are made within the european common aviation area - ecaa/ switzerland.
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unless otherwise specified note - penalties as described below may be waived in case of certified death/illness of the passenger or passengers immediate family member or accompanying passenger. --- local service fees may apply on rebookig/rerouting /reissue or refund. -------------------------------------------------- changes before departure - changes to date/time/oneworld carrier/inventrory changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same. If the first flight coupon is being changed and the fare level has increased since the ticket issuance the difference between the old and new fare be charged. If the fare level has decreased since ticket issuance no refund will apply. - exception - for fares originating in tc1 changes to the first international flight and preceeding flights are not permitted less than seven days prior to the date of the first ticketed flight. - changes other than to date/time/oneworld carrier/ inventory permitted at a charge of usd 125.00 per transaction. If the fare level has increased since ticket issuance the difference between the old and the new fare will also be charged. If the fare level has decreased since ticket issuance no refund will apply. --- changes after departure date/time/oneworld carrier/inventory changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same - changes other than to date/time/oneworld carrier/ inventory carrier permitted at a charge of usd125.00 per transaction. - no show requires rebooking at charge of usd 125.00 - if the rerouting results in an increase to the number of the continents or extra flight segments previously charged the ticket shall recalculated. Tickets may be reissued to a higher fare eg.. From a-one3 type to a-one4 type fare and the increase in fare will be collected. When flight segments added above the free allowance those charges will be collected. When the rerouting resulsts in a reduction to the number of continents or extra flight segments previously charged no refund will apply. --- cancellations and refunds after ticket issue - forfeit 10pct of ticketed fare for economy class fares. Forfeit 5pct of ticketed fare for business/first class fares. --- in case of refusal of offical documents/entry permit/visa a full refund will apply provided official documentation from the approved authority is produced and attached to the refund request. - for partially used transportation the refund if any will be difference between the fare paid and the fare for the transportation used less the penalty amount specifed above. ---------- upgrading 1. An economy oneworld explorer fare may be upgraded to a higher tiered or first/business class oneworld explorer fare without penalty. 2. A business oneworld explorer fare may be upgraded to a higher tiered or first class oneworld explorer fare without penalty. 3. A first class oneworld explorer fare may be upgraded to a higher tiered oneworld explorer fare without penalty. 4. Upgrading by sector to business/first class is not permitted. 5. At any time the oneworld explorer fare may be used as credit towards payment of any higher fare type from the point of origin provided the conditions of the higher fare type have been met. Reissued tickets must be endorsed - nonref/xxx - where xxx equals oneworld explorer fare basis code -and the original non-refundable amount remains non-refundable. If the upgraded tickets is subsequently cancelled the original penalty will apply. 6. At any time the oneworld explorer fare may be used as credit towards a full mileage fare or a global explorer fare - provided the conditions of the fare have been met . No penalty will apply. Reissued tickets must be endorsed --non ref/xxx - xxx equals the oneworld explorer fare basis code - and the original non-refundable amount remains non refundable. If the upgraded ticket is subsequently cancelled the original penalty will apply. --- for tickets sold in venezuela any full or partial refund must be processed through the original issuing location in venezuela.
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unless otherwise specified the original and the reissued ticket must be annotated - valid on oneworld only/nonref - in the endorsement box. Note - tickets must show by the use of an insert or sticker that travel is at a special fare and subject to special conditions.
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unless otherwise specified accompanied child 2-11 - charge 75 percent of the fare. Ticketing code - base fare code plus ch or - infant under 2 without a seat - charge 10 percent of the fare. Ticketing code - base fare code plus in. Note - if an infant reaches two years of age after travel has commenced but before travel is complete a full child fare ticket must be purchased for the entire journey. --- unaccompanied children are not accepted for transportation using the oneworld explorer fare.
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none unless otherwise specified
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none unless otherwise specified
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unless otherwise specified note - applicable to aa only - rule 755 senior saaver club not permitted - rule 1810 senior citizen discount club not permitted.
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unless otherwise specified note - group travel using these fares is permitted for business class and economy class travel only. A. Eligibility - no requirements b. Minimum group size - economy class - 10 passengers - maximum group size 30 passengers business class - 10 passengers - maximum group size 15 passengers c. Accompanied travel - group required to travel together for the entire itinerary d. Documentation - no requirements e. Name changes and additions - name changes and additions are not permitted after the ticketing deadline f. Ticketing carriers group policy shall apply --- booking codes business economy aa/ay/ba/cx/ib/jc/jl/jo/ i g ka/la/lp/ma/mx/nu/qf/rj/xl/4m
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#74
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but there is one change I've spotted - don't understand its implications but I'm sure knowledgeable FT'ers will
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b-booking codes first business economy aa/ba/cx/qf/jl/jo/ka a d l la/lp a d/w l ay/ib/ma/rj/xl/4m/mx d d l la ipc-scl d d l ay/la/lp/xl/4m domestic/ AA Flights 2700-5389 Y Y L jl domestic flts-to/from nrt j j h jl/nu/jc domestic flts-all other domestic points f j y ba world traveller plus t qf premium economy t jl premium economy w
Anyone know what these flights are?
(a quick search of the AA pdf timetable plugging in random numbers in the range failed to turn up any flights)
Anyone understand what the consequences might be for xONEx's?
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Generally one class American Eagle (AeAgle) flights.
D/AONE's book into Full Y as there is no First or Business class on these flights.
D/AONE's book into Full Y as there is no First or Business class on these flights.