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I flipped a coin on this one and the chance to experience the A380 on a really long haul won out over chance to have two transcons. YMMV!

[QUOTE=serfty;11462062]Not at all; for cabotage regulations you only require an international flight on any carrier to/from the USA in your itinerary. QUOTE]


Can you kindly tell me where I can find documentation from the DOT that I can look into this in greater detail? I couldn't find the part on the DOT website mentioning the international flight requirement.
So if I'm on a AONE3 rtw and I've already flown from Europe to the US, I should have already fulfilled the cabotage requirement. I plan to fly on CX from LAX-HKG two weeks after the JFK-LAX on QF 108.
I hope to find some documentation regarding cabotage rules in case I encounter any problems at JFK. Thanks for your help. Feel free to PM me.
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This is all very interesting to me as I have just recently booked a AONE4 which has the QF 107 LAX - JFK with no QF transpacific. I am flying from LHR-LAX // LAX-JFK (on QF 127) JFK-DFW, DFW-LAS, LAS-LAX, LAX-NRT.

The Oneworld booking tool has accepted the booking, but with what is being said on here QF may deny me boarding??

That was my experience a few years ago - QF called my travel agent (who had booked the AONE3) about 24 hours before I was due to take the flight, told her they would not accept me, but that they had "protected" me onto an AA flight leaving at about the same time.

You require a minimum of an AONE4 to fly transpac (as well as transcon) on QF so your AONE3 just won't cut it.

I am well aware of that, but I don't see how it is particularly relevant. I was addressing steven_s's question, which is, essentially, "if, by whatever means, you get a reservation on QF JFK-LAX (or vv) without a corresponding QF transpac flight, what will QF do?". My itinerary included international flights, so, as stated by serfty, it met the cabotage requirements for QF to be able to carry me legally - they just chose to refuse to do so, and that has consistently been the experience of others here when the question has come up at various times in the last few years.

I thought it is not just a regulatory thing with QF, it is because of their relationship with AA and they don't want to p1ss them off by accepting pax left right and centre.

After enduring an AA trans con the other day, I can understand why people want to take QF instead. Really for a 5 hour flight, serving only some measly french toast and a stupid cookie is not enough! (esp when u arrive at 4pm local time) Oh don't forget the sparkling water with fruit garnish!

Ok so I am on a AONE4 and my full iten is as follows ICN-HKG, HKG-SYD, SYD-BNE, BNE-SYD, SYD-LHR, LHR-DXB, DXB-LHR, LHR-LAX, LAX-JFK (QF107), JFK-DFW, DFW-LAS, LAS-LAX, LAX-NRT, NRT-ICN.

So not sure what a transpac or transcon means, so please advise if I am likely to be thrown of the big QF 107??

I admit that my knowledge could be considerably out of date as I have not worked in the industry for a while , but in Galileo the QF operated LAX - JFK vv sectors specifically stated that they could only be sold in conjunction with a QF transpacific sector ,( can anyone in the industry tell me whether that message still comes up ? )

I can think of a couple of reasons why QF would impose a more stringent restriction than the cabotage rules apparently permit ( reportedly only that they must be sold in conjunction with an international flight according to some previous posters in this thread )

1 / It is presumably easier for QF to provide evidence of the international sector if the LAX-JFK vv sector is only made available to those who have purchased an international sector on QF - as there are substantial fines for breach of cabotage restrictions QF may very well prefer to minimise their risk by not having to trust to other carriers to provide such evidence

2 / on complex RTW fares such as the xONEx fares it is my understanding the the revenue is effectively pro-rated to each carrier dependent on what proportion of the itinerary has been flown on that carrier - it may be that QF does not feel that the pro-rated revenue on JFK-LAX without a corresponding transpacific leg is worth their while - effectively they are saying " if you are not prepared to buy a transpacific sector on us then we are not prepared to sell you this sector "

while I am sure that from time to time the odd pax slips through the net I would not assume on that basis that one can expect to always get away with booking the JFK-LAX vv without a corresponding QF transpacific .

I believe the cream of the xONEx ticket $$$ goes to those carriers marketing the intercontinental segments - if that's the case, it's a no-brainer.

You can expect to be thrown off.

Your trans-Pacific segment is LAX-NRT, which can't be on QF since they do not fly the route.

Let us know if you have a different experience than predicted!

I'm thinking of taking the QF JFK-LAX flight myself with an onward QF LAX-AKL flight. Does AKL count as 'trans'pacific? Its sort of 80% the way there...

yes

Dave

Anyone have any experience in combining QF SYD-LAX with QF JFK-LAX on a xONEx?

As an example, what I'm thinking of could be something like:
SYD-LAX on QF
LAX-DFW-ORD-JFK on AA (purely random routing for the purposes of this discussion)
JFK-LAX on QF
LAX-LHR on BA
etc.

Most people would be combining SYD-LAX and LAX-JFK on QF, so what if the 2nd QF flight were in the reverse direction?

IMHO you should be fine, see post #7