QF flights LAX-JFK
 

Probably a dumb question but searching through the FAQ didn't give me "the" answer:

If I fly QF SYD-LAX with a stopover for a couple of days, can I continue on to JFK via QF or do I need to take AA?

TIA

Not a dumb question at all.

You can take the QF flight from LAX-JFK (or JFK-LAX), provided you are connecting to or from a QF trans-Pacific flight, such as you are proposing with SYD-LAX.

I'm fairly sure it will need to be on the same itinerary or booking reference, but others may be able to confirm that.

I just recently completed this routing.. Althought I love QF, I find the ability to have inflight internet remarkable on the AA transcon flights....

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Aone5: Syd-jfk//jfk-lax?
 

Hi. If I fly SYD-JFK on an AONE5, can I then travel JFK-LAX on QF as my next step after a stopover in NYC? Or will QF in JFK deny me boarding at JFK?

I would wager that they would. If you take LAX-JFK, your previous flight (stopover in LA is ok) needs to be Australia-LAX. Same goes with JFK-LAX, next flight would need to be operated by QF. I see how you think you might get around this - but it probably won't work.

Not at all; for cabotage regulations you only require an international flight on any carrier to/from the USA in your itinerary.

For their own reasons, Qantas take this one step further and require you to have a flight on Qantas to/from the USA (this means transpacific) on the same PNR to use QF107/QF108 between JFK/LAX.

So, Once you have booked that transpacific flight on Qantas, they will permit you to travel on QF107/QF108 again as long as it's in the same booking.This is not the case; as noted above Qantas require such a flight to be in the same PNR. So you could route SYD-JFK, JFK-LAX, LAX-LHR, LHR-SYD if you desired (or even SYD-LAX, LAX-JFK, JFK-LAX, LAX-LHR ...)

You do not have to be connecting. Qantas do require your PNR contain a transpacific segment on QF, but that's it.

QF has been forced to adopt this policy by the US DOT in response to repeated complaints filed by another airline (who will be unnamed but starts with U and ends with A). It is to preclude accidental cabotage. Note that the trans-pac flight on QF must precede the LAX-JFK sector (as the pax can change the routing and not fly QF trans-pac later). Technically the gov't rules allow QF to do anything they want as long as 100% guarantee that no cabotage occurs (with a big penalty for failure to comply). Your US tax dollars at work, keeping the world safe for airlines that start with U.

So presumably on the reverse, where the pax first flies JFK-LAX and has a ticket for a later QF trans-pac flight, the pax could change the routing and not take the QF trans-pac flight. Would there be consequences then for QF I wonder?

See the first paragraph of my post #7 of this thread.

As long as the itineray has an international flight and the PAX does indeed travel internationally within the itinerary then cabotage does not come into it in a final & legal sense.

so is the general consensus that SYD-JFK//JFK-LAX on QF will be permited on an AONE5?

If I wont' be able to fly JFK-LAX on QF, then I'll just book JFK-YVR on CX instead.

thoughts?

Does this run afoul of the xONEx routing rules? You're only allowed one trans-con (JFK-LAX or LAX-JFK) under the rules. Do you get around this by having (the same) QF flight number all the way?

good to go
 

I booked SYD-LAX on the A380 on QF with a 4 day layover in LAX then on to JFK on QF. No problemo!

You are correct that QF108 JFK-LAX would be the one permitted NA transcontinental.

On an xONEx, one could fly QF107 SYD-JFK, and also have QF108 JFK-LAX in the same itinerary.

tempting
 

I flipped a coin on this one and the chance to experience the A380 on a really long haul won out over chance to have two transcons. YMMV!

[QUOTE=serfty;11462062]Not at all; for cabotage regulations you only require an international flight on any carrier to/from the USA in your itinerary. QUOTE]


Can you kindly tell me where I can find documentation from the DOT that I can look into this in greater detail? I couldn't find the part on the DOT website mentioning the international flight requirement.
So if I'm on a AONE3 rtw and I've already flown from Europe to the US, I should have already fulfilled the cabotage requirement. I plan to fly on CX from LAX-HKG two weeks after the JFK-LAX on QF 108.
I hope to find some documentation regarding cabotage rules in case I encounter any problems at JFK. Thanks for your help. Feel free to PM me.
CDG 1K

This is all very interesting to me as I have just recently booked a AONE4 which has the QF 107 LAX - JFK with no QF transpacific. I am flying from LHR-LAX // LAX-JFK (on QF 127) JFK-DFW, DFW-LAS, LAS-LAX, LAX-NRT.

The Oneworld booking tool has accepted the booking, but with what is being said on here QF may deny me boarding??

That was my experience a few years ago - QF called my travel agent (who had booked the AONE3) about 24 hours before I was due to take the flight, told her they would not accept me, but that they had "protected" me onto an AA flight leaving at about the same time.

You require a minimum of an AONE4 to fly transpac (as well as transcon) on QF so your AONE3 just won't cut it.

I am well aware of that, but I don't see how it is particularly relevant. I was addressing steven_s's question, which is, essentially, "if, by whatever means, you get a reservation on QF JFK-LAX (or vv) without a corresponding QF transpac flight, what will QF do?". My itinerary included international flights, so, as stated by serfty, it met the cabotage requirements for QF to be able to carry me legally - they just chose to refuse to do so, and that has consistently been the experience of others here when the question has come up at various times in the last few years.

I thought it is not just a regulatory thing with QF, it is because of their relationship with AA and they don't want to p1ss them off by accepting pax left right and centre.

After enduring an AA trans con the other day, I can understand why people want to take QF instead. Really for a 5 hour flight, serving only some measly french toast and a stupid cookie is not enough! (esp when u arrive at 4pm local time) Oh don't forget the sparkling water with fruit garnish!

Ok so I am on a AONE4 and my full iten is as follows ICN-HKG, HKG-SYD, SYD-BNE, BNE-SYD, SYD-LHR, LHR-DXB, DXB-LHR, LHR-LAX, LAX-JFK (QF107), JFK-DFW, DFW-LAS, LAS-LAX, LAX-NRT, NRT-ICN.

So not sure what a transpac or transcon means, so please advise if I am likely to be thrown of the big QF 107??

I admit that my knowledge could be considerably out of date as I have not worked in the industry for a while , but in Galileo the QF operated LAX - JFK vv sectors specifically stated that they could only be sold in conjunction with a QF transpacific sector ,( can anyone in the industry tell me whether that message still comes up ? )

I can think of a couple of reasons why QF would impose a more stringent restriction than the cabotage rules apparently permit ( reportedly only that they must be sold in conjunction with an international flight according to some previous posters in this thread )

1 / It is presumably easier for QF to provide evidence of the international sector if the LAX-JFK vv sector is only made available to those who have purchased an international sector on QF - as there are substantial fines for breach of cabotage restrictions QF may very well prefer to minimise their risk by not having to trust to other carriers to provide such evidence

2 / on complex RTW fares such as the xONEx fares it is my understanding the the revenue is effectively pro-rated to each carrier dependent on what proportion of the itinerary has been flown on that carrier - it may be that QF does not feel that the pro-rated revenue on JFK-LAX without a corresponding transpacific leg is worth their while - effectively they are saying " if you are not prepared to buy a transpacific sector on us then we are not prepared to sell you this sector "

while I am sure that from time to time the odd pax slips through the net I would not assume on that basis that one can expect to always get away with booking the JFK-LAX vv without a corresponding QF transpacific .

I believe the cream of the xONEx ticket $$$ goes to those carriers marketing the intercontinental segments - if that's the case, it's a no-brainer.

You can expect to be thrown off.

Your trans-Pacific segment is LAX-NRT, which can't be on QF since they do not fly the route.

Let us know if you have a different experience than predicted!

I'm thinking of taking the QF JFK-LAX flight myself with an onward QF LAX-AKL flight. Does AKL count as 'trans'pacific? Its sort of 80% the way there...

yes

Dave

Anyone have any experience in combining QF SYD-LAX with QF JFK-LAX on a xONEx?

As an example, what I'm thinking of could be something like:
SYD-LAX on QF
LAX-DFW-ORD-JFK on AA (purely random routing for the purposes of this discussion)
JFK-LAX on QF
LAX-LHR on BA
etc.

Most people would be combining SYD-LAX and LAX-JFK on QF, so what if the 2nd QF flight were in the reverse direction?

IMHO you should be fine, see post #7

I currently have a rtw beginning in JNB, issued by Mindpearl but booked with the US AA rtw desk. It has SYD/LAX in May on QF and LAX/JFK in June on AA. When I called the US AA rtw desk and asked them to switch the June LAX/JFK flight to QF they refused, after consulting tariffs, and even documented the refusal in my pnr. Can anyone suggest any recourse to this apparently erroneous ruling?

Are they consecutive flights (ie SYD-LAX-JFK, with a stopover?) This should be valid, but if you have other flights in between, it won't work, AFAIK.
Check that there is availability in the appropriate class on the day you are looking at, and if so you might have to try the RTW desk again and discuss, asking why they can't do it.

Somewhat to my surprise, LAN.com offered QF107 on an otherwise all-LAN booking for EZE-LIM-LAX-JFK-LIM-EZE. Everything priced and reserved without any hitches. Although I have not purchased yet, as my plans are still not firm.

From this thread, I'm worrying that in spite of a seemingly valid ticket that would be issued by LAN, QF would refuse the confirmed reservation all the same. Seems quite strange to me that they could do so. Any more data points on this?

Yes, QF has often refused to allow passengers to fly the LAX-JFK segment in this situation.

Syd-jfk/jfk-lax?
 

I previously posted this question but no one managed to provide an answer.

I have an AONE5 where I will fly F SYD-JFK on QF, then stop. My next sector will be JFK-LAX on QF. Since my transpac sector is on QF, will QF JFK accept me on the JFK-LAX sector or boot me to AA?

See post #30 of this thread ... Of course YMMV.

I believe this scenario is fine as you would have done the Transpac on QF before the N/A transcontinental. There has been a mention that one could do QF108 JFK-LAX with a subsequent transpacific on Qantas in the booking but later changed ...

Does anyone definitively know whether the QF trans-Pacific flight needs to be both on QF metal and a QF flight number?

We're currently booked SYD-LAX on QF metal and the next day on QF 107 from LAX to JFK (all one DONEx itinerary), but the trans-Pacific is currently ticketed as the AA code-share (i.e. AA 7363 instead of QF 11). AA's RTW desk helpfully assigned us seats on both flights, and no-one said anything about having to fly on AA metal on the second flight....but should we be prepared to be bounced by Qantas?

In circumstances of being bounced off the QF flight, does the QF check-in desk at TBIT assist regarding AA alternatives, or is one simply rejected and told to go away?

As reported above, when I got bounced QF called my TA one day before and they had already protected me onto an AA flight with very similar timing.

Just took QF 107 from LAX-JFK last week.. I was on a AONE5 ticket.. I had gone from SYD-LAX, then did a LAX-ORD-LAX turnaround on AA and THEN did my transcon on QF107 to JFK.. All sanctioned by the AA RTW desk.. NO PROBLEMS in boarding... just for your information...