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Sep 2, 2008 | 9:19 am

rejdegroot

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Advice on frequent flyer program for LONE5

Hello guys,

I'm planning to do my first LONE5 in january, and I'm trying to find out what frequent flyer program gives me the most benefit for this trip.

My LONE5 route will be:

LHR -> NBO (BA) -> JNB (surface) -> MRU (BA) -> JNB (BA) -> HKG (CX) -> DEL (CX) -> NRT (JO) -> SIN (JL) -> BNE (QF) -> NOU (QF) -> SYD (QF) -> SCL (LA) -> IPC (LA) -> SCL (LA) -> GIG (LA) -> LHR (BA)

I can maybe change the flightcode on some of the legs to a different codeshare if that makes a difference for earning miles (for example SYD to SCL on QF) (does it?).

I'm based in The Netherlands, if that makes a difference for FFP sign up.

So in summary: 4 flights on BA, 2 flights on CX, 1 flight on JO, 1 flight on JL, 3 flights on QF and 3 flights on LA.

I would really appreciate your help! I tried finding this out from the various pages of the airline FFPs, however it's very easy to loose oversight.

Sep 2, 2008 | 12:32 pm

Marlino

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In which class(Coach/Eco, or Biz, or First), you will fly?

Edit: I am refit a misstake

Last edited by Marlino; Sep 2, 2008 at 2:45 pm

Sep 2, 2008 | 12:43 pm

rejdegroot

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It will be economy class (hence the LONE5)

Sep 2, 2008 | 2:26 pm

Marlino

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rejdegroot

It will be economy class (hence the LONE5)

You are right, I have been lost my brain this evening a little bit.

I think without status, the LANPASS(LA), would be the best ffp for you. With the LANPASS, you get:

LHR -> NBO (BA/25%) -> JNB (surface) -> MRU (BA/25%) -> JNB (BA/25%) -> HKG (CX/100%) -> DEL (CX/100%) -> NRT (JO/70%) -> SIN (JL/70%) -> BNE (QF/100%) -> NOU (QF/100%) -> SYD (QF/100%) -> SCL (LA/100%) -> IPC (LA/100%) -> SCL (LA/100%) -> GIG (LA/100%) -> LHR (BA/25%)

Perhaps you will get also a status, but this you can average out, bye yourself.

Edit: The costs(LANPASS use kilometers, not miles

) for a awardflight are also ok.
When you will have the chance, to make a Elite Challenge with AAdvantage, befor your RTW-Trip(nice route by the way

) start. Than AAdvantage is also a opportunity.

Edit2: When you want to have a Status for your RTW-Trip. Than will be the best way, to make a Elite Challenge with AAdvantage, befor RTW-Trip start..
Do you have any preferred oneworld Airline? It is also importand to know, for the time after the RTW( to get also 100% miles, for the flights after the rtw.

)

Last edited by Marlino; Sep 2, 2008 at 3:09 pm

Sep 2, 2008 | 3:45 pm

rejdegroot

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Thanks for your reply!

I think earning miles is most important for me now

Right now i'm actually modelling everything in Excel so I can compute exactly what the best option would be. I ll post this model when i'm done, so that others may be able to use it!

One more question. Is the codeshare trick valid? As in, if i book a flight under a codeshare that gives me a higher percentage of miles earned for a particular FFP, will they honor that? Or only look at the actual operating carrier?

Sep 2, 2008 | 5:58 pm

Mwenenzi

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rejdegroot

One more question. Is the codeshare trick valid? As in, if i book a flight under a codeshare that gives me a higher percentage of miles earned for a particular FFP, will they honor that? Or only look at the actual operating carrier?

Yes codeshare should be OK, You need to check the rules of each programe. They may be different

Also be aware SYD-SCL is very hard to get in L class

Sep 3, 2008 | 3:25 am

rejdegroot

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I obtained some of the miles earning data from the one world member websites for their different FFP programs and different carriers.

The colums are for the FFP programs and the rows represent the carriers. I make no guarantee that this data is correct. But maybe it's useful to somebody else!

Code:

      AA    AY    BA    CX    IB    JL    LA    MA    QF    RJ
AA    1     1     0.25  1     ?     0.7   1     1     0.5   ?
AY    1     1     0.25  0     ?     0.5   0.5   1     1     ?
BA    0.25  0.5   0.25  0.5   ?     0.25  0.25  0.25  0.25  ?
CX    0     1     0.25  1     ?     0.5   1     0.25  0.5   ?
IB    0.3   1     0.25  0.5   ?     0.7   0.3   0.25  1     ?
JL    0.7   0.5   0.25  0.5   ?     0.7   0.7   1     0.5   ?
LA    1     0.5   0.25  1     ?     0.7   1     0.25  1     ?
MA    1     1     1     1     ?     0.7   1     1     1     ?
QF    0.5   1     0.25  0.5   ?     0.5   1     0.25  1     ?
RJ    0     0     0     0     ?     0.5   0     0     0.5   ?
Total 5.75  7.5   3     6     ?     5.75  6.75  5.25  7.25  ?

Sep 3, 2008 | 3:36 am

rejdegroot

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Using this table and the data of my segments and their carriers I let Excel compute the number of miles for the different FFPs. The results are as follows:

Code:

FFP   Miles
AA    24888
AY    32131 = 51564 Pts
BA    12330
CX    35921
JL    25315
LA    36848 = 59301 Km
MA    17589
QF    30956

This indeed shows LANPASS as the best option regarding the number of miles earned. With Cathay Pacific's Asia Miles and Finnair Plus as runner ups.. But are there any other things I should consider?

Last edited by rejdegroot; Sep 3, 2008 at 4:48 am

Sep 3, 2008 | 4:04 am

Mwenenzi

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rejdegroot

This indeed shows LANPASS as the best option regarding the number of miles earned. With Cathay Pacific's Asia Miles and Finnair Plus as runner ups.. But are there any other things I should consider?

Yes: what those miles will get you, and include any fuel surcharges that could be applied. Can be a vast difference eg AA and QF. 25,000 AA miles is worth more than 30,000 QF points

LONE earning is in a FT wiki, but may not be up to date

Last edited by Mwenenzi; Sep 3, 2008 at 4:10 am

Sep 3, 2008 | 5:09 am

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rejdegroot

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Hmm, Quick overview of what I found till now:

AY: 60K Pts needed for 6000 km OW award (excl. all taxes/surcharges)
LA: 50K Km needed for 6500 Km OW award (or 65K for upto 10K km) (excl. tax/fuel surcharge?)
AA: 35K miles needed for 4000 Mile OW award (incl. fuel surcharge/excl. tax)
CX: 35K miles needed for 4000 Mile OW award (excl. all taxes/surcharges)

All for economy.

So LANPASS comes out pretty well it seems.

Sep 4, 2008 | 12:45 am

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svellmann

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got one question to this:
which way do i have to read the table?do you get 100% aadvantage miles by flying on cx or do you get 100% asia miles by flying on aa?

Sep 4, 2008 | 1:32 am

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cxfan1960

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Quote:

Originally Posted by svellmann

got one question to this:
which way do i have to read the table?do you get 100% aadvantage miles by flying on cx or do you get 100% asia miles by flying on aa?

The top are the FF programmes. The left side are the airlines you are flying. For example, if you are on AAdvantage and the flight is CX, you get 0 on booking class "L".

Sep 4, 2008 | 1:42 am

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svellmann

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Thanks. The thing is, I was a bit confused about this because here I found you get 100% mileage in Economy on AAdvantage when flying CX but the table said 0%.Still, "L" doesn't occur in this table on aa.com at all so is this the reason why you get 0% on CX or has it been updated to 100% and the booking class is just called differently?

Sep 4, 2008 | 2:23 am

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cxfan1960

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Quote:

Originally Posted by svellmann

For L booking class:
* AA flight - 100% on CX programme
* CX flight - 0% AA programme

For economy on CX flight, you can only get AAdvantage miles on booking class Y, B or H. Note that if you take an AA codeshare (with AA flight number), then that will be different.

Sep 4, 2008 | 6:12 am

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Marlino

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Code:

      AA    AY    BA    CX    IB    JL    LA    MA    QF    RJ
AA    1     1     0.25  1     ?     0.7   1     1     0.5   0.25
AY    1     1     0.25  0     ?     0.5   0.5   1     1     1
BA    0.25  0.5   0.25  0.5   ?     0.25  0.25  0.25  0.25  0.25
CX    0     1     0.25  1     ?     0.5   1     0.25  0.5   0.5
IB    0.3   1     0.25  0.5   ?     0.7   0.3   0.25  1     0.3
JL    0.7   0.5   0.25  0.5   ?     0.7   0.7   1     0.5   0.5
LA    1     0.5   0.25  1     ?     0.7   1     0.25  1     0.3
MA    1     1     1     1     ?     0.7   1     1     1     1
QF    0.5   1     0.25  0.5   ?     0.5   1     0.25  1     1
RJ    0     0     0     0     ?     0.5   0     0     0.5   0
Total 5.75  7.5   3     6     ?     5.75  6.75  5.25  7.25  5.1

I have made a update from your table with the earning data from Royal Plus(RJ). At least also the sentence: I make no guarantee that this data is correct.

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