xONEx Fare Hike?
Aug 14, 2008 | 1:38 pm
#46
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Roses, Costa Brava, Spain
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Posts: 512
And only a little bit quicker from the airport into town. 
Seriously, I know that there's a lot of empty space there, but they must have left enough room for Windhoek to grow for the next fifty thousand years!
As for starting a RTW from Namibia, it's a really great location in its own right. One of very few places where I went for a short work trip & to which I should like to return as a tourist. I had occasion to visit the BA (Comair) office, which happened to be a few floors above the one in which I was working. Really nice staff, but I'm not sure if they had ever issued a ticket with the complexities of an xONEx. This might very well change with the new pricing.
Windhoek exhibits a minor cultural curiosity - German is as likely to be understood as English (or Afrikaans). This is in sharp contrast with another former German colony I've visited, Togo, where it's extremely hard to believe that the colonial past was anything other than French. Probably some Ph.D. student has already compared and contrasted them.
Seriously, I know that there's a lot of empty space there, but they must have left enough room for Windhoek to grow for the next fifty thousand years!As for starting a RTW from Namibia, it's a really great location in its own right. One of very few places where I went for a short work trip & to which I should like to return as a tourist. I had occasion to visit the BA (Comair) office, which happened to be a few floors above the one in which I was working. Really nice staff, but I'm not sure if they had ever issued a ticket with the complexities of an xONEx. This might very well change with the new pricing.
Windhoek exhibits a minor cultural curiosity - German is as likely to be understood as English (or Afrikaans). This is in sharp contrast with another former German colony I've visited, Togo, where it's extremely hard to believe that the colonial past was anything other than French. Probably some Ph.D. student has already compared and contrasted them.
Aug 16, 2008 | 2:46 am
#47
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London, UK
Programs: AY Platinum (BA refugee), AA liftime gold
Posts: 691
It's worth noting that the USD is getting rapidly stronger against many currencies. Even in just the last week it's gained ~2% the pound. It's gained 10% since Aug 1st against the South African Rand.
Aug 16, 2008 | 5:25 am
#48
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Aug 16, 2008 | 11:39 am
#49
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Roses, Costa Brava, Spain
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OTOH, if your 'base' currency is, say, GBP or EUR, an ex-SA ticket is now a fair bit more expensive, on exchange rate alone, than it was even a month ago.
This is the wonderful world of Forex. If you didn't buy at the right time (or did buy at the wrong time), don't be too discouraged. Apparently, even major corporations get this wrong all the time.
Aug 17, 2008 | 9:48 am
#50
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London, UK
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The basic point is that currency rates are quite volatile at the moment, especially against the USD. So check up on them before assuming too much about relative and actual pricing.
Aug 18, 2008 | 4:59 am
#52
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: CPT
Programs: BA BD SA
Posts: 4,467
), right in town but its runway can only accommodate small planes. As for starting a RTW from Namibia, it's a really great location in its own right. One of very few places where I went for a short work trip & to which I should like to return as a tourist. I had occasion to visit the BA (Comair) office, which happened to be a few floors above the one in which I was working. Really nice staff, but I'm not sure if they had ever issued a ticket with the complexities of an xONEx. This might very well change with the new pricing.
Windhoek exhibits a minor cultural curiosity - German is as likely to be understood as English (or Afrikaans). This is in sharp contrast with another former German colony I've visited, Togo, where it's extremely hard to believe that the colonial past was anything other than French. Probably some Ph.D. student has already compared and contrasted them.
Windhoek exhibits a minor cultural curiosity - German is as likely to be understood as English (or Afrikaans). This is in sharp contrast with another former German colony I've visited, Togo, where it's extremely hard to believe that the colonial past was anything other than French. Probably some Ph.D. student has already compared and contrasted them.
Aug 19, 2008 | 11:41 am
#53
Join Date: May 1998
Location: australia
Posts: 5,962
Have manually updated Weary's spreadsheet for the moment (offered to email it to Weary to help in his updating).
Output as follows.
Have removed locations no longer shown on OW site (eg Malawi, Iran, Amernia, Georgia, Azerbaijin, Ethiopoa)
Many thanks to KiwiFlyer for the formatting help
Output as follows.
Have removed locations no longer shown on OW site (eg Malawi, Iran, Amernia, Georgia, Azerbaijin, Ethiopoa)
Code:
LONEs (sorted by LONE4) in USD
Economy
3 4 5 6 AA Office
Namibia 2,473 2,828 3,335
South Africa 2,522 2,906 3,405 Y
New Zealand Basic 2,650 2,859 3,348
New Zealand Peak 2,650 2,859 3,348
Pakistan 2,274 2,731 3,140 3,611 Y
Zambia 2,800 3,200 3,800
Zimbabwe 2,800 3,200 3,800
Mauritius 2,850 2,990 3,870
United Kingdom 2,569 2,949 3,635 4,092
Vietnam 2,549 3,059 3,579 4,389 Y
Australia Basic 3,071 3,509 4,124
Hong Kong 2,765 3,169 3,789 4,437 Y
Code:
DONEs (sorted by DONE4) in USD
Business
3 4 5 6 AA Office
Namibia n/a 5,706 6,531 7,291
South Africa n/a 5,761 6,593 7,745 Y
Pakistan 5,139 5,786 6,655 7,653 Y
Zambia n/a 6,100 7,100 8,300
Zimbabwe n/a 6,100 7,100 8,300
Mauritius n/a 6,192 7,106 8,373
Korea 5,490 6,543 7,521 8,484 Y
Indonesia 5,928 6,779 7,725 8,630
Saudi Arabia 5,941 6,820 7,699 8,579 Y
Vietnam 6,043 6,911 7,875 8,799 Y
Syrian Arab Republic 6,020 6,979 8,210 9,836
Philippines 6,134 7,022 8,001 8,925 Y
Japan 5,966 7,095 7,750 8,893 Y
Code:
AONEs (sorted by AONE4) in USD
First
3 4 5 6 AA Office
Namibia n/a 8,433 9,701 10,398
South Africa n/a 8,513 9,793 11,521 Y
Mauritius n/a 8,795 10,202 11,609
Saudi Arabia 7,939 9,085 10,230 11,402 Y
Zambia n/a 9,200 10,600 12,400
Zimbabwe n/a 9,200 10,600 12,400
Indonesia 8,198 9,370 10,670 11,948
Vietnam 8,356 9,553 10,878 12,180 Y
Syrian Arab Republic 8,484 9,715 11,358 12,589
Philippines 8,481 9,734 11,088 12,390 Y
Japan 8,686 9,749 11,297 12,945 Y
Korea 8,575 9,751 11,204 12,885 Y
Pakistan 8,781 9,788 11,258 12,565 Y
Jordan 8,709 9,973 11,659 12,923
Israel 8,800 10,000 11,700 13,000 Y
Lebanon 8,800 10,000 11,700 13,000 Y
Qatar 8,917 10,220 11,489 12,793 Y
Many thanks to KiwiFlyer for the formatting help
Given that the prices ex-Namibia in Namibian dollars and ex-South Africa in Rand are exactly the same and the Namibian Dollar is kept on par 1:1 with the Rand the price differences listed above between SA and Namibia of up to $US1100 must represent some sort of input error. Interestingly ExpertFlyer comes up with about a 10% difference in US dollar prices between Namibia and SA on all the fares - so their input error must be even more significant (unless there is some way of getting 10% more Namibian dollars for your Rand that I am unaware of)
Aug 19, 2008 | 5:32 pm
#54
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Two differences
1. The spreadsheet reports different currency values (source is Oanda)
from this page: http://www.oanda.com/convert/fxdaily...L&redirected=1
Today's prices
NAD/USD 7.8844
ZAR/USD 7.8322
2. Prices ex-Namibia and ex-SA are not exactly the same
1. The spreadsheet reports different currency values (source is Oanda)
from this page: http://www.oanda.com/convert/fxdaily...L&redirected=1
Today's prices
NAD/USD 7.8844
ZAR/USD 7.8322
2. Prices ex-Namibia and ex-SA are not exactly the same
Code:
xONE4 Economy NAD 19,500 ZAR 19,700 Business NAD 45,000 ZAR 45,000 First NAD 66,500 ZAR 66,500 xONE5 Economy NAD 22,300 ZAR 22,700 Business NAD 51,500 ZAR 51,500 First NAD 76,500 ZAR 76,500 xONE6 Economy NAD 26,300 ZAR 26,600 Business NAD 57,500 ZAR 60,500 First NAD 82,000 ZAR 90,000
Aug 19, 2008 | 5:39 pm
#55
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Programs: QF Gold LTG (ow Saph), HHon Silver, Marriot Gold
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Also latest prices in USD from a refresh I did this morning.
I have sent my spreadsheet to WearyBizTrvlr but like his name he is travelling so this will have to do in the meantime.
I have sent my spreadsheet to WearyBizTrvlr but like his name he is travelling so this will have to do in the meantime.
Code:
First
3 4 5 6 AA Office
Namibia 8,434 9,703 10,400
South Africa 8,491 9,767 11,491 Y
Mauritius 8,621 10,000 11,379
Saudi Arabia 7,935 9,080 10,225 11,396 Y
Zambia / Zimbabwe 9,200 10,600 12,400
Indonesia 8,198 9,370 10,670 11,948
Pakistan 8,500 9,475 10,897 12,163 Y
Vietnam 8,356 9,553 10,878 12,180 Y
Korea 8,501 9,667 11,108 12,774 Y
Japan 8,667 9,727 11,272 12,915 Y
Philippines 8,481 9,734 11,088 12,390 Y
Business
3 4 5 6 AA Office
Pakistan 4,974 5,601 6,442 7,408 Y
Namibia 5,708 6,532 7,293
South Africa 5,746 6,576 7,725 Y
Mauritius 6,069 6,965 8,207
Zambia / Zimbabwe 6,100 7,100 8,300
Korea 5,443 6,487 7,456 8,411 Y
Indonesia 5,928 6,779 7,725 8,630
Saudi Arabia 5,938 6,817 7,695 8,574 Y
Vietnam 6,043 6,911 7,875 8,799 Y
Syrian Arab Rep 6,048 7,011 8,247 9,881
Philippines 6,134 7,022 8,001 8,925 Y
India 6,165 7,039 8,094 9,216 Y
Japan 5,953 7,078 7,732 8,872 Y
Angola/ Ghana/ Nigeria 7,100 8,100 9,100
Sri Lanka 6,244 7,119 8,186 9,323 Y
Economy
3 4 5 6 AA Office
Namibia 2,473 2,828 3,336
South Africa 2,515 2,898 3,396 Y
Pakistan 2,202 2,643 3,040 3,495 Y
New Zealand 2,696 2,908 3,405
Mauritius 2,793 2,931 3,793
Zambia / Zimbabwe 2,800 3,200 3,800
United Kingdom 2,518 2,892 3,564 4,012
Australia Basic 3,047 3,483 4,092
Vietnam 2,549 3,059 3,579 4,389 Y
Tunisia 2,736 3,138 3,862 4,586
Hong Kong 2,763 3,168 3,787 4,435 Y
Aug 20, 2008 | 12:47 am
#56
Join Date: May 1998
Location: australia
Posts: 5,962
Two differences
1. The spreadsheet reports different currency values (source is Oanda)
from this page: http://www.oanda.com/convert/fxdaily...L&redirected=1
Today's prices
NAD/USD 7.8844
ZAR/USD 7.8322
2. Prices ex-Namibia and ex-SA are not exactly the same
1. The spreadsheet reports different currency values (source is Oanda)
from this page: http://www.oanda.com/convert/fxdaily...L&redirected=1
Today's prices
NAD/USD 7.8844
ZAR/USD 7.8322
2. Prices ex-Namibia and ex-SA are not exactly the same
Code:
xONE4 Economy NAD 19,500 ZAR 19,700 Business NAD 45,000 ZAR 45,000 First NAD 66,500 ZAR 66,500 xONE5 Economy NAD 22,300 ZAR 22,700 Business NAD 51,500 ZAR 51,500 First NAD 76,500 ZAR 76,500 xONE6 Economy NAD 26,300 ZAR 26,600 Business NAD 57,500 ZAR 60,500 First NAD 82,000 ZAR 90,000
Aug 20, 2008 | 2:41 am
#57
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: CPT
Programs: BA BD SA
Posts: 4,467
It's a pity, really, that the Nam prices aren't pitched a little lower to encourage mad FTers to discover another unusual and little known destination.
OTOH with the new 16 coupon limit I guess few would want to use one just to get from WDH to JNB.
OTOH with the new 16 coupon limit I guess few would want to use one just to get from WDH to JNB.