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Old May 27, 2008 | 11:36 am
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Does Open Jaw in Asia Count Against Segment Maximum?

Is this allowed on a AONE4 if I pay $1,000 for two extra segments:

1) HKG-PEK KA902
2) PEK-SHA (open jaw)
3) PVG-HKG KA803
4) HKG-MNL CX903
5) MNL-HKG CX900
6) HKG-JKT CX777
7) JKT-HKG CX776

???
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Old May 27, 2008 | 11:57 am
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Yes, but it will use 8 (not 7) of your permitted 16/20 segments.
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Old May 27, 2008 | 12:15 pm
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Originally Posted by headinclouds
Yes, but it will use 8 (not 7) of your permitted 16/20 segments.
Why is it not 7 segments. Why is there a penalty?
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Old May 27, 2008 | 12:52 pm
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Originally Posted by nologic
Why is it not 7 segments. Why is there a penalty?
Because you have 8 segments the way you wrote it.

1) HKG-PEK KA902
2) PEK-SHA (open jaw)
3) SHA-PVG surface
4)3) PVG-HKG KA803
5)4) HKG-MNL CX903
6)5) MNL-HKG CX900
7)6) HKG-JKT CX777
8)7) JKT-HKG CX776

Apparently, you may have meant:

1) HKG-PEK KA902
2) PEK-PVG SURFACE
3) PVG-HKG KA803
4) HKG-MNL CX903
5) MNL-HKG CX900
6) HKG-JKT CX777
7) JKT-HKG CX776



A minimum of 3 and a maximum of 20 segments (16 for tickets issued on/after 1Jun08), including surface
segments, are permitted for the entire journey.
http://www.oneworld.com/content/libr...rule_sheet.pdf
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Old May 27, 2008 | 12:56 pm
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Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
Because you have 8 segments.

1) HKG-PEK KA902
2) PEK-SHA (open jaw)
3) SHA-PVG surface
4)3) PVG-HKG KA803
5)4) HKG-MNL CX903
6)5) MNL-HKG CX900
7)6) HKG-JKT CX777
8)7) JKT-HKG CX776


http://www.oneworld.com/content/libr...rule_sheet.pdf
That would be unbelievable if you're saying there's a segment penalty to fly into the domestic airport in Shanghai and out of the international one.

Why isn't the open jaw written PEK-PVG...I think I just found my own answer...it would be.
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Old May 27, 2008 | 1:00 pm
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Originally Posted by nologic
That would be unbelievable if you're saying there's a segment penalty to fly into the domestic airport in Shanghai and out of the international one.
Why isn't the open jaw written PEK-PVG...I think I just found my own answer...it would be.
This isn't unbelievable. Coterminals count as segments now. Fly into LHR and out LGW it is a segment. Fly into LGA out of JFK that is a segment.

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Old May 27, 2008 | 1:24 pm
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Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
This isn't unbelievable. Coterminals count as segments now. Fly into LHR and out LGW it is a segment. Fly into LGA out of JFK that is a segment.
Right, but seeing that I am making my own way to Shanghai, I can technically just as easily "open jaw" for these purposes into PVG as SHA...so the ticket would read PEK-PVG open jaw, and then PVG-HKG on KA. The fact that I am actually flying PEK-SHA on China Southern isn't relevant, as it's not part of this ticket.
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Old May 27, 2008 | 2:43 pm
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Actually the ticket will be:
1 - HKG-PEK
2 - ARUNK (arrival unknown which uses a segment)
3 - PVG-HKG
4 - etc...
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Old May 27, 2008 | 2:58 pm
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You can't add segments in the continent of origin.
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Old May 27, 2008 | 4:03 pm
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Originally Posted by headinclouds
Actually the ticket will be:
1 - HKG-PEK
2 - ARUNK (arrival unknown which uses a segment)
3 - PVG-HKG
4 - etc...
That's fine as long as it doesn't count as two segments, one into SHA and one out of PVG! Thanks!
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Old May 27, 2008 | 7:31 pm
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why pay $1,000?

You can find flights from Shenzhen (SZN) to/from Beijing and Shanghai for much, much less than the additional $1,000 you're considering here....and thereby save all 3 of the sectors as well.

There are 2 very convenient services from Hong Kong to the airport in Shenzhen ---- a new nonstop bus service from the Kowloon MTR station that runs every 20 minutes during the day (via a new customs crossing that is astoundingly empty and stress-free), as well as the well-known ferry service ---- and from SZN there are flights on a half-dozen or so airlines with very, very competitive prices. For example, you can generally find a SZN to PEK or SHA to SZN oneway for CNY 700. If you're concerned about segments, this could save you 3 --- as well as at least $500....
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