Surface segments xONEx
Oct 27, 2007 | 4:57 pm
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As for the flight from Africa to South America, I looked at it again, and here's the details off of One World's website for the SAO version of the flight I mentioned (the One World map lists direct flights from Dakar to both Buenos Aires and Sao Paolo):
Scheduled flights u Return flights
From: Dakar, Senegal (Yoff)
To: Sao Paulo, Brazil (All Airports)
Depart T Arrive T Carrier - Flight number Stops Duration Aircraft
23:55 DKR 04:25 +1 VCP LA 8264 Non-Stop 6 hrs 30 min DC3
That's 3,292 miles in about 6.5 hours. Is that an unreasonable amount of time for a flight like that?
Scheduled flights u Return flights
From: Dakar, Senegal (Yoff)
To: Sao Paulo, Brazil (All Airports)
Depart T Arrive T Carrier - Flight number Stops Duration Aircraft
23:55 DKR 04:25 +1 VCP LA 8264 Non-Stop 6 hrs 30 min DC3
That's 3,292 miles in about 6.5 hours. Is that an unreasonable amount of time for a flight like that?
The odd thing is, it is also listed in the official oneworld timetable application.
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Oct 27, 2007 | 5:10 pm
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Thanks very much Gardyloo and DownUnderFlyer. I honestly had no idea what a DC-3 was, and that it was a propeller plane. Oh well, back to the drawing board I guess. However, I would be curious if anyone could confirm that I'm correct that if I begin a Global Explorer in Europe and then head to Africa, that I can't then head west via LHR or otherwise. Thanks again. This board is very informative.
As Gardyloo has pointed out, the DKR - VCP (!) flight is a fake. It doesn't exist. It "flies" to VCP which was Sao Paolos main international airport before 1985 when GRU was opened. And the equipment LA is "using" is a DC-3 which is a propeller plane from 1935. Maybe a flight like this existed decades ago something the LA experts maybe can help out with.
The odd thing is, it is also listed in the official oneworld timetable application.
The odd thing is, it is also listed in the official oneworld timetable application.
Oct 27, 2007 | 5:20 pm
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Er, do you know what a Douglas DC-3 looks like? 
Let me put it this way, the notion that LAN is currently (or ever) flying nonstop from Buenos Aires to Dakar on a DC3, and nonstop from Sao Paulo to Dakar, also using a DC3 is, to put it mildly, the most outrageously funny piece of news I've heard since 1957, when I took my last DC3 LAN flight.
Let me put it this way, the notion that LAN is currently (or ever) flying nonstop from Buenos Aires to Dakar on a DC3, and nonstop from Sao Paulo to Dakar, also using a DC3 is, to put it mildly, the most outrageously funny piece of news I've heard since 1957, when I took my last DC3 LAN flight.
Oct 27, 2007 | 5:22 pm
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That is correct. The OWE allows for backtracking if you go to a few countries in Africa, but the Globex doesn't.
The flight is probably a dummy flight that Lan put into the system to test its systems and forgot to remove. It happens now and again.
You sure musnt have taken it to Dakar since the range was only 1025 miles according to the wiki!
The flight is probably a dummy flight that Lan put into the system to test its systems and forgot to remove. It happens now and again.
Originally Posted by viajero
Let me put it this way, the notion that LAN is currently (or ever) flying nonstop from Buenos Aires to Dakar on a DC3, and nonstop from Sao Paulo to Dakar, also using a DC3 is, to put it mildly, the most outrageously funny piece of news I've heard since 1957, when I took my last DC3 LAN flight.
Oct 27, 2007 | 5:24 pm
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Thanks to everyone for their help. And, just to be clear, I'm not trying to prove a point and parse words in order to be right (or wrong for that matter). I'm just trying to figure out what the rules are so I can book my super-duper trip. Actually, I'm thrilled to be wrong about when I can do surface segments since my interpretation would have made it very hard to do the trip I want. So, thank you very much, and I totally apologize for my misreading, and am happy to learn that I can do intra-region surface segments without exception, and can even begin and end in different countries as listed on lines 81N - 88N.
As for the Dakar-Buenos Aires flight, again, I'm just trying to figure out a way to start a Global Explorer trip in Europe, then go to Africa, and then head west. My understanding is that the Global Explorer (as compared to the One World Explorer) doesn't permit me to backtrack through Europe (i.e., LHR) to head west. Maybe I'm wrong about that too? I'm just basing it on my reading of the rules and discussion with the AA RTW desk, but who knows.
As for the flight from Africa to South America, I looked at it again, and here's the details off of One World's website for the SAO version of the flight I mentioned (the One World map lists direct flights from Dakar to both Buenos Aires and Sao Paolo):
Scheduled flights u Return flights
From: Dakar, Senegal (Yoff)
To: Sao Paulo, Brazil (All Airports)
Depart T Arrive T Carrier - Flight number Stops Duration Aircraft
23:55 DKR 04:25 +1 VCP LA 8264 Non-Stop 6 hrs 30 min DC3
That's 3,292 miles in about 6.5 hours. Is that an unreasonable amount of time for a flight like that? Again, I'm just trying to figure out if I can run a Global Explorer west that goes Europe-Africa-S. or N. America. I did call up the AA RTW desk to ask about this flight and the woman I spoke with first said this flight didn't exist, and then said it did. On the other hand, ExpertFlyer, ITA, LAN's own website and everyone else on this board seem to deny the existence of the flight. So, I guess the consensus is that there isn't any such flight??
Thanks again for everyone's help.
As for the Dakar-Buenos Aires flight, again, I'm just trying to figure out a way to start a Global Explorer trip in Europe, then go to Africa, and then head west. My understanding is that the Global Explorer (as compared to the One World Explorer) doesn't permit me to backtrack through Europe (i.e., LHR) to head west. Maybe I'm wrong about that too? I'm just basing it on my reading of the rules and discussion with the AA RTW desk, but who knows.
As for the flight from Africa to South America, I looked at it again, and here's the details off of One World's website for the SAO version of the flight I mentioned (the One World map lists direct flights from Dakar to both Buenos Aires and Sao Paolo):
Scheduled flights u Return flights
From: Dakar, Senegal (Yoff)
To: Sao Paulo, Brazil (All Airports)
Depart T Arrive T Carrier - Flight number Stops Duration Aircraft
23:55 DKR 04:25 +1 VCP LA 8264 Non-Stop 6 hrs 30 min DC3
That's 3,292 miles in about 6.5 hours. Is that an unreasonable amount of time for a flight like that? Again, I'm just trying to figure out if I can run a Global Explorer west that goes Europe-Africa-S. or N. America. I did call up the AA RTW desk to ask about this flight and the woman I spoke with first said this flight didn't exist, and then said it did. On the other hand, ExpertFlyer, ITA, LAN's own website and everyone else on this board seem to deny the existence of the flight. So, I guess the consensus is that there isn't any such flight??
Thanks again for everyone's help.
http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=48115
Normally outfitted its top speed is 216 mph with a range of 1500 miles. For example, see:
http://www.pbs.org/kcet/chasingthesun/planes/dc3.html
A DC-3 isn't going to be making that flight plus Lan's website and route map would disclose the existence of the flight, if it existed.
You should read through the sticky at the top of the page and see it that helps.
Oct 27, 2007 | 5:30 pm
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With an xGLOBnn you can backtrack within a continent.
xONEx's tend to be preferred over xGLOBnn's by FTer as they allow for longer routings and hence more FF miles and Status.
One big difference (aside from being distance limited) is the xGLOBnn allows travel on QF codeshare services on PX (Air Niugini), TN (Air Tahiti Nui), VN (Air Vietnam), SA (South African Airways), NF (Air Vanuatu), SB (Air Caledonie) and JQ (Jetstar [not for ex Oz itineraries]).
There rules are here: Global Explorer Rules
This is correct for a xGLOBxx. (with an xONEx, you can transfer in Europe as long as the travel is to/from or via Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, Uganda or Tanzania)
xONEx's tend to be preferred over xGLOBnn's by FTer as they allow for longer routings and hence more FF miles and Status.
One big difference (aside from being distance limited) is the xGLOBnn allows travel on QF codeshare services on PX (Air Niugini), TN (Air Tahiti Nui), VN (Air Vietnam), SA (South African Airways), NF (Air Vanuatu), SB (Air Caledonie) and JQ (Jetstar [not for ex Oz itineraries]).
There rules are here: Global Explorer Rules
Originally Posted by jgold
However, I would be curious if anyone could confirm that I'm correct that if I begin a Global Explorer in Europe and then head to Africa, that I can't then head west via LHR or otherwise
Oct 27, 2007 | 5:37 pm
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Oct 27, 2007 | 6:05 pm
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Thanks very much everyone for the advice. As I said, my question was primarily about the issues with a Global Explorer, for which there's not all that much in the sticky (although I did read (although perhaps did not understand as well as I had hoped) what there is). My knowledge of aircrafts from the mid-20th century has increased dramatically in the last 12 hours.
Oct 27, 2007 | 6:59 pm
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They still have issues with the weight of the new business class seats but once this is sorted out they will offer this service without fuel surcharges.
Oct 28, 2007 | 8:01 am
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Originally Posted by wiki
...The amenities of the DC-3 (including sleeping berths on early "DST" -- Douglas Sleeper Transport -- models and an in-flight kitchen)...