composing a DONE4 itinerary
Jul 25, 2006, 8:53 am
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Originally Posted by Viajero
See the sticky in the AA forum, because AA publishes no info about it.
which raised an eyebrow... does this mean if I do DXB at the start I'd make AA Platinum before even leaving Europe? eg something like this:
WAW-LHR-DXB-LHR-SYD-AKL-SYD-PER-HKG-SIN-HKG-NRT-JFK-YVR-DFW-BOS-ORD-SFO-LHR-WAW
I'm yet to fully understand the implications of this, but it seems good
Jul 25, 2006, 9:01 am
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Originally Posted by dsf
...does this mean (...) I'd make AA Platinum before even leaving Europe?
Edited to add: but do note that it might not be the best way to do it. If you do WAW-LHR-SYD instead, you will not be PLT until you get to Sydney, BUT, the 100% bonus will be much bigger (DXB-LHR vs LHR-SYD).
Last edited by Viajero; Jul 25, 2006 at 9:10 am
Jul 25, 2006, 9:06 am
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Just remember only 2 stopovers in continent of origin, so 1 of the 3 LHR routings must be a transit (presumably you would go to DXB immediately after WAW, without a stopover back home). You don't get any extra lounge access due to making Platinum, however it makes the 100% bonus for LHR-SYD unambiguous. I guess that is the only advantage.
Jul 25, 2006, 10:21 am
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Originally Posted by serfty
Code:
157N . 9. WITHIN AUSTRALIA - 158N . * ONLY 1 NONSTOP OR SINGLE PLANE FLIGHT 159N . PERMITTED 160N . BETWEEN THE FOLLOWING 161N . CITIES:BNE/CNS/SYD/MEL AND PER /SEE 162N . EXCEPTIONS 163N . BELOW/ 164N . * MEL/SYD AND DRW 165N . * MEL/SYD AND BME
Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...
To me it reads as though you can only do one transcon as I thought you could i.e. 1 flight between Per & BNE/CNS/SYD/MEL - leaving the door open for PER-CBR which is greater than 2000 miles and could be combined with a SYD-PER leg.
It then reads as though although un-related to the 1 transcon rule, you are only allow 1 flight between SYD/MEL -DRW and SYD/MEL - BME, effectively meaning you could do SYD-PER-DRW-SYD on the same routing? or SYD-PER-BME-SYD etc...?
Jul 25, 2006, 10:36 am
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Originally Posted by number_6
Just remember only 2 stopovers in continent of origin, so 1 of the 3 LHR routings must be a transit (presumably you would go to DXB immediately after WAW, without a stopover back home). You don't get any extra lounge access due to making Platinum, however it makes the 100% bonus for LHR-SYD unambiguous. I guess that is the only advantage.
Jul 25, 2006, 10:37 am
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Originally Posted by sdorling
Sorry to be a pain, but i'm completely confused by the rules shown above, if one of you guys could clarify i'd be most grateful.
To me it reads as though you can only do one transcon as I thought you could i.e. 1 flight between Per & BNE/CNS/SYD/MEL - leaving the door open for PER-CBR which is greater than 2000 miles and could be combined with a SYD-PER leg.
It then reads as though although un-related to the 1 transcon rule, you are only allow 1 flight between SYD/MEL -DRW and SYD/MEL - BME, effectively meaning you could do SYD-PER-DRW-SYD on the same routing? or SYD-PER-BME-SYD etc...?
To me it reads as though you can only do one transcon as I thought you could i.e. 1 flight between Per & BNE/CNS/SYD/MEL - leaving the door open for PER-CBR which is greater than 2000 miles and could be combined with a SYD-PER leg.
It then reads as though although un-related to the 1 transcon rule, you are only allow 1 flight between SYD/MEL -DRW and SYD/MEL - BME, effectively meaning you could do SYD-PER-DRW-SYD on the same routing? or SYD-PER-BME-SYD etc...?
One problem is that the formatting of the star file is lousy. Have a look at the same rule as formatted by CX, and posted by christep here.
Jul 25, 2006, 4:59 pm
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Flights in Aust
From QF web site
Within Australia only one non stop flight is permitted between Perth and Brisbane, Cairns, Melbourne or Sydney; or between Darwin and Melbourne or Sydney; or between Broome and Melbourne or Sydney. This restriction does not apply for passengers originating their travel in Perth or New Zealand when travelling to/from Africa on the Melbourne or Sydney to Perth direct flights.
Jul 25, 2006, 6:29 pm
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Again there is confusion caused by lousy formatting issues; even the text posted by Mwenenzi could be read either way.
Consider if the following change was made:
If the wording was in this manner it would be specific and -MEL-PER-BME-SYD- would not be permissible.
However, using similar techniques to "deduction by omission" the implications to me are that the routing is permissible.
Of course it all gets down to whoever is booking your journey. YMMV
Consider if the following change was made:
Within Australia only one non stop flight is permitted between Perth and Brisbane, Cairns, Melbourne or Sydney; and between Darwin and Melbourne or Sydney; and between Broome and Melbourne or Sydney.
However, using similar techniques to "deduction by omission" the implications to me are that the routing is permissible.
Of course it all gets down to whoever is booking your journey. YMMV
Aug 2, 2006, 3:51 pm
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Bumping my own thread in search of a bit more advice, clarification, and encouragement 
... my travel agent has forwarded the itinerary I decided on to BA for pricing. Because of a change or two in circumstance I've now almost settled on this, starting in early September:
If so the only things I'm worried about now are whether GIB-...JFK-LHR in just over 5 weeks is a bit too ambitious
and the old chestnut of who to credit the miles to 
. I opened an AAdvantage account without yet signing up to the plat challenge as I'm still leaning towards piling all my miles in one BAsket. I figure I'd make silver and 920 TPs. With that 55k starting balance, a job that's about to take me transatlantic on BA a few more times per year than previously ( ^ ), and if I can find the funds to do JFK-LHR-JFK in a TP-earning cabin, I reckon I'm doing the right thing.
Am I?
... my travel agent has forwarded the itinerary I decided on to BA for pricing. Because of a change or two in circumstance I've now almost settled on this, starting in early September:GIB-LHR-DXB-LHR-SYD-AKL-SYD-PER-HKG-SIN-HKG-NRT-JFK
[JFK-LHR, a few months at home/work, then back across the pond for]
JFK-YVR-DFW-BOS-ORD-SFO-LHR-GIB
If I understand the rules correctly, this:[JFK-LHR, a few months at home/work, then back across the pond for]
JFK-YVR-DFW-BOS-ORD-SFO-LHR-GIB
GIB-LHR 2030-2215
LHR-DXB 2140-0730
lets me sleep in my own bed without a waste of a stopover 'cos it's 35 minutes short of 24 hours ^ and I assume the rule applies to scheduled times, not flight times, ie if LHR-DXB was cancelled or delayed to later than 2215 I wouldn't have broken the rules -- is this right?LHR-DXB 2140-0730
If so the only things I'm worried about now are whether GIB-...JFK-LHR in just over 5 weeks is a bit too ambitious
and the old chestnut of who to credit the miles to . I opened an AAdvantage account without yet signing up to the plat challenge as I'm still leaning towards piling all my miles in one BAsket. I figure I'd make silver and 920 TPs. With that 55k starting balance, a job that's about to take me transatlantic on BA a few more times per year than previously ( ^ ), and if I can find the funds to do JFK-LHR-JFK in a TP-earning cabin, I reckon I'm doing the right thing.Am I?
Aug 2, 2006, 7:40 pm
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Originally Posted by dsf
lets me sleep in my own bed without a waste of a stopover 'cos it's 35 minutes short of 24 hours ^ and I assume the rule applies to scheduled times, not flight times, ie if LHR-DXB was cancelled or delayed to later than 2215 I wouldn't have broken the rules -- is this right?
Originally Posted by dsf
If so the only things I'm worried about now are whether GIB-...JFK-LHR in just over 5 weeks is a bit too ambitious
Originally Posted by dsf
and the old chestnut of who to credit the miles to . I opened an AAdvantage account without yet signing up to the plat challenge as I'm still leaning towards piling all my miles in one BAsket. I figure I'd make silver and 920 TPs. With that 55k starting balance, a job that's about to take me transatlantic on BA a few more times per year than previously ( ^ ), and if I can find the funds to do JFK-LHR-JFK in a TP-earning cabin, I reckon I'm doing the right thing.
Am I?
. I opened an AAdvantage account without yet signing up to the plat challenge as I'm still leaning towards piling all my miles in one BAsket. I figure I'd make silver and 920 TPs. With that 55k starting balance, a job that's about to take me transatlantic on BA a few more times per year than previously ( ^ ), and if I can find the funds to do JFK-LHR-JFK in a TP-earning cabin, I reckon I'm doing the right thing.Am I?
Aug 2, 2006, 9:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Darren
Keep in mind, though, that AA doesn't have a SFO-LHR flight so you would be forced to take BA. If you decide on crediting the miles to AAdvantage, you won't be able to earn miles on that flight.
Aug 3, 2006, 1:26 am
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Originally Posted by dsf
GIB-LHR-DXB-LHR-SYD-AKL-SYD-PER-HKG-SIN-HKG-NRT-JFK
[JFK-LHR, a few months at home/work, then back across the pond for]
JFK-YVR-DFW-BOS-ORD-SFO-LHR-GIB
[JFK-LHR, a few months at home/work, then back across the pond for]
JFK-YVR-DFW-BOS-ORD-SFO-LHR-GIB
Aug 3, 2006, 1:41 am
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Originally Posted by SLF
Depending when you plan to do the final sector, you may ultimately need to change that to LGW-GIB: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=583637
Aug 3, 2006, 1:55 am
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Originally Posted by dsf
Interesting. What happens if I book LHR-GIB open-dated now and the route is discontinued by the time I come to book it? Would the enforced change to SFO-LHR/LGW-GIB be free? Actually I guess the question could be applied to any segment...
Perceived wisdom here is not to use open dated sectors; if in doubt simply make dated bookings towards the end of the 12 month ticket validity period. For OWE tickets, date changes are free, so once you know the real dates you can simply pull it forwards. Best not to use an open dated sector for a variety of reasons.
If you know you'll be wanting to do LON-GIB after the route is dropped from LHR, then you should probably ticket it as LGW-GIB in the first place.
Last edited by SLF; Aug 3, 2006 at 3:36 am Reason: I thought some more; completely changed my answer
Aug 3, 2006, 4:12 am
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Originally Posted by SLF
Perceived wisdom here is not to use open dated sectors; if in doubt simply make dated bookings towards the end of the 12 month ticket validity period. For OWE tickets, date changes are free, so once you know the real dates you can simply pull it forwards. Best not to use an open dated sector for a variety of reasons.
If you know you'll be wanting to do LON-GIB after the route is dropped from LHR, then you should probably ticket it as LGW-GIB in the first place.
If you know you'll be wanting to do LON-GIB after the route is dropped from LHR, then you should probably ticket it as LGW-GIB in the first place.