Newbie with a segment question.
#1
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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Newbie with a segment question.
Hello everyone! I'm trying to figure out a few things in the rules for a LONE5 ticket exAKL. First, do land segments count against your total of 20 and your limit within a continent? This would make no sense, and I've seen a few routings posted which wouldn't seem to be valid if this were the case, but AA's own Trip Planner keeps giving me an error message saying I'm over my segment limit. That, and the rules have some gibberish in them about land segments still counting toward your total number of continents, whatever that means. What is the reality here?
Also, I'm a US citizen but the fares from NZ seem good enough to fly halfway around the world to start my RTW trip. (And I just can't wait until the end to get to NZ!!) But I noticed that American has something in the rules that seems to mark up the ticket to a higher price if paid for in the US, the currency conversion fare check, or something like that... do I need to pay for the ticket after I arrive in NZ, or buy the ticket through a NZ travel agency to get the NZ price. Anybody know?
I apologize if these questions have been answered before... I've read quite a bit here, but haven't seen these addressed directly. Thanks so much for your assistance...
Also, I'm a US citizen but the fares from NZ seem good enough to fly halfway around the world to start my RTW trip. (And I just can't wait until the end to get to NZ!!) But I noticed that American has something in the rules that seems to mark up the ticket to a higher price if paid for in the US, the currency conversion fare check, or something like that... do I need to pay for the ticket after I arrive in NZ, or buy the ticket through a NZ travel agency to get the NZ price. Anybody know?
I apologize if these questions have been answered before... I've read quite a bit here, but haven't seen these addressed directly. Thanks so much for your assistance...
#2
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1. surface segments do not count on OWE fares
2. trans-ocean surface is prohibited except for ex-Australia/NZ (not that you would want to do trans-ocean surface, but this rule allows including AKL/PPT-SCL on a OWE ticket)
3. buying from a TA in NZ is easiest, or you can get it issued by QF in AKL. It cannot be issued by AA in the US (if you do that, it prices at the ex-US price), however you can have the ticket set up by the AA RTW desk. I don't think AA has an office in NZ (they do in SYD).
2. trans-ocean surface is prohibited except for ex-Australia/NZ (not that you would want to do trans-ocean surface, but this rule allows including AKL/PPT-SCL on a OWE ticket)
3. buying from a TA in NZ is easiest, or you can get it issued by QF in AKL. It cannot be issued by AA in the US (if you do that, it prices at the ex-US price), however you can have the ticket set up by the AA RTW desk. I don't think AA has an office in NZ (they do in SYD).
#3
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Originally Posted by number_6
2. trans-ocean surface is prohibited except for ex-Australia/NZ (not that you would want to do trans-ocean surface, but this rule allows including AKL/PPT-SCL on a OWE ticket)
My understanding is that all trans-oceanic surface is prohibited - AKL/PPT-SCL is permitted because PPT is still in the (OneWorld) South-West Pacific region, so AKL/PPT is an intra-continent surface sector, and the PPT-SCL (or even PPT-IPC) is the trans-ocean segment.
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At least that's how it was a couple of years ago - I'm ready to be corrected.
#4
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New rule (it reads like double dutch to me):
Edited to show the old rule.
Code:
103N . 2. INTERMEDIATE SURFACE SECTORS ARE PERMITTED AT 104N . THE PASSENGER*S EXPENSE. TRANSOCEANIC SURFACE 105N . SECTORS BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2/3 ARE NOT 106N . PERMITTED. 107N . EXCEPTION: ORIGINATING IN THE SWP - ONE 108N . TRANSOCEANIC SURFACE SECTOR IS PERMITTED BETWEEN 109N . AREA 1 AND AREA 2/3 ARE NOT PERMITTED.
Code:
109N . 2. INTERMEDIATE SURFACE SECTORS ARE PERMITTED AT 110N . THE PASSENGER*S EXPENSE. TRANSOCEANIC SURFACE 111N . SECTORS ARE NOT PERMITTED. 112N . EXCEPTION: ORIGINATING IN THE SWP - ONE 113N . TRANSOCEANIC SURFACE SECTOR IS PERMITTED.
Last edited by Viajero; Jul 5, 2006 at 4:38 am Reason: show the old rule as well
#6

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Needs a full stop maybe?
I agree with Viajero that the new rule looks nonsensical. But if you add a period (full stop), then the rule might mean that trans-oceanic surface sectors are permitted for ex-SWP OWEs as long as the surface sector is wholly within the Asia-SWP Area (added period shown in red):
EXCEPTION: ORIGINATING IN THE SWP - ONE
TRANSOCEANIC SURFACE SECTOR IS PERMITTED. BETWEEN
AREA 1 AND AREA 2/3 ARE NOT PERMITTED.
(Even if this is correct, the wording of the rule is still preposterous.)
TRANSOCEANIC SURFACE SECTOR IS PERMITTED. BETWEEN
AREA 1 AND AREA 2/3 ARE NOT PERMITTED.
#7
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CX's published version of the rule (as uploaded here: http://www.christen.demon.co.uk/CXRule/ ) is:
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Intermediate surface sectors are permitted at the passenger's expense. Transoceanic surface between TC1-TC2 and TC1-TC3 are not permitted Exception For travel originating in South West Pacific, one transoceanic surface sector between TC1-TC2 or TC1-TC3 permitted.
#8
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Originally Posted by TeeVee Kid
Thanks for your help...one more quick question... how much should I expect taxes and fuel surcharges to raise the ticket price?
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Originally Posted by number_6
3. buying from a TA in NZ is easiest, or you can get it issued by QF in AKL. It cannot be issued by AA in the US (if you do that, it prices at the ex-US price), however you can have the ticket set up by the AA RTW desk. I don't think AA has an office in NZ (they do in SYD).
#10
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Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
... However it may be difficult to get into the country (unless on NZ or Oz passport) since immigration will want to have evidence of planned departure.

