Good luck , but you should be aware ( and your travel agent should have warned you) that CX are quite vigilant about illegally booked flights - if they pick these flights up they have the right to cancel them ( or indeed AA could if they notice them in their res system without the requisite connecting flights ) . Please note that I am not saying this will happen - but it can - as a former Travel Agent I have seen this before and it can get quite ugly as you will not necessarily be able to rebook the flights onto the CX flight number if they are running full - this can result in you being stranded en route ( and usually they scrutinise full flights more carefully so the odds are if these segments get cancelled it will be because it is a packed flight . ) A colleague of mine had a pax stranded in Asia last year ( can't recall which city it got picked up in ) for this very reason - it cost him a great deal of time /money and stress to sort it out


I hope that you don't have any problems - but it is important that you are aware of the possible consequences if you do get caught .

That does'nt sound too good, I will reconsider using AA-codeshares. My travel agent didn't say anything, nor did BA, who ticketed the trip.

I was able to reissue my CX HKG-NRT-HKG flights onto the AA codeshare flight # 's at the Wing in HKG before departure earlier last year.

Be warned, though, that sometimes, BA, QF, IB and AY (and any other OneWorld Partners that use Amadeus) often have difficulty booking the AA codeshare flights from HKG.

In the past, these airlines have said to me that the computer won't let them book the HKG-DPS/NRT/BKK etc. flights under the AA code unless they are also accompanied by the AA-coded trans-pacific flight (even if it's operated by CX). They say there are problems with the traffic rights--though this is not the case.

Furthermore, the old trick of the "long-sell" (whereby the agent books LAX-x/HKG-BKK and then deletes the segment LAX-HKG) didn't even work when BA, QF and IB each tried in turn for me.

The solution: have AA book the flights under their code (Sabre doesn't mind selling individuql ex-HKG segments on CX-metal). Then, have whoever is ticketing your ticket call AA to verify that the segments are confirmed, and then ticket them as "passive reservations". Most agents know what this means.

Good luck.

Checkerboard.

it depends on the codeshares - in some cases the codesharing partner is permitted to sell them as stand alone - in some cases they must be specifically 'tied' to a flight on the codesharing partners own metal . As I am no longer in the industry I no longer have access to which flights are or are not permitted - but if a flight is listed as not permitted in OW explorer rules - or , if when booked in the CRS it comes back th the booking agent with a response such as "online connection only" then it is a risky strategy to make a reservation as a 'stand alone' sector - often the airline stands to be fined if it breaks the rules - and therefore there is a strong financial incentive for the airline to be vigilant - in other cases it may be a codeshare that neither airline is concerned about and it may easily 'slip through the net' or even be fully permitted - having said that I am surprised that CX would book HKG AA NRT AA HKG as stand alone sectors as I don't think AA have stand alone traffic rights on that sector - was there no AA flight in the itinerary NRT-USA vv ??

I cannot find any information about the AA codeshares on KIX-HKG in SABRE/AMADEUS with KVS, nor can I find the flight at aa.com.
Will my TA be able to book it anyway?

AA codeshares are only bookable when connecting to/from AA operated flights. Are you connecting DFW-KIX-HKG? If so, then it should be bookable.

I'm not connecting to/from an AA flight, but I think that it should be possible to view the flightcode anyway. I successfully managed to book AA7292 SYD-CNS, that does show up in SABRE/AMADEUS.

I cannot find KIX-HKG in SABRE/AMADEUS, I called AA CS and asked about the timetable for KIX-HKG and got to know that the only AA codeshare is ITN-NRT-HKG on JAL/CX.

Maybe the codeshare has been removed lately and the electronic timetable is just not up to date.

ExpertFlyer shows:

1 Connection
AA 125 0 DFW
01/05/06 11:45AM KIX
01/06/06 04:55PM 777 LD F7 J7 D7 I7 Y7 B7 K7 H7 M7 L7 G7 V7 W7 N0 S0 Q0 O0

AA (CX) 6075 0 KIX
01/06/06 06:25PM HKG
01/06/06 09:50PM 777 D J7 D7 I7 Y7 B7 K7 H7 M7 L7 V7 N0 S0 Q0



AA (CX) means AA6075 operated by CX. Note this flight will only show up if you request DFW-HKG via KIX. It will not show up if you request KIX-HKG.

If you use the [Amadeus Segment Info] option in the KVS Tool, you will see that for AA7292 it says "Q/ INTL ONLINE CONNEX / STOPOVER TRAFFIC", while for AA6075, the notation is "Y/ ONLINE CONNECTIONS".

Therefore, you cannot book AA6075 on its own.

i have 14 flights affected since mid-september... and still more flights to come. hope they fix it soon... joanna is working on it for me... ^

There's still hope on this one..

As long as your have your ticket copy, you only need to input CX flight numbers in the Asiamiles website for 'missing' flights.

You say that Q points are based on miles earned. Does that mean for a 1000 mile AA flight in D that earns 1.25 miles and 1.5 Q points that you earn 1000 x 1.25 x 1.5 or a total of 1875 Q points?

Duplicate post - anyway to delete this?

Alas no. The calculation of cabin bonus and qualifying points are both based on the qualifying miles flown on a seqment.

Your D class example would yield for a no-status flyer 1000 qualifying miles, 1250 earned miles and 1500 Qpoints.
This subject to an underlying 500 mile minimum for shorter AA flights.

It gets more complicated with the discounted and deeply discounted economy fareson other OW carriers. For example an M class fare on Qantas will earn in the AA program, 0.5 qualifying miles for each mile in the segment but 1 Qpoint for each qualifying mile. Or 500 Qmiles and 500 Qpoints for the 1000-mile example. Minimums will also vary by carrier.

It is possible to accrue earned miles with non-OW (AA) partners, but other than on perhaps AS there will be no qualifying miles. The real experts can correct me here.

Status bonuses for Gold, Plat and EXP are also based on the Qmiles.

Hope that helps.

Happy wandering.

Fred