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Jul 28, 2005 | 12:45 pm

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Award travel on codeshare flights

On OW flights on which other OW members codeshare, will award inventory exist for both airlines? For example, when looking for JFK-SYD award seats, will AA have award inventory on its codeshares with QF, or does only QF provide award inventory on this route?

Jul 28, 2005 | 1:33 pm

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On OW flights on which other OW members codeshare, will award inventory exist for both airlines?...

Yes.

Jul 28, 2005 | 2:03 pm

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Slight modification of question

I think the question was posed slightly wrong (I asked Blumie to post). The question should be if a flight is both a AA codeshare and a flight on an AAdvantage participant airline (ie QF) can you use a straight AAdvantage award or do you have to use the AAdvantage participant airline award?

I think I may have answered my question by looking at the AAdvantage Award chart which does not list South Pacific, but I noticed that that the AAdvantage award chart does not have the footnote that the upgrade chart has that says awards must be on flights that are marketed and operated by AA.

Jul 28, 2005 | 2:44 pm

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In that case the answer is no. Here's a thread with a similar question:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...metal+operated

Jul 28, 2005 | 2:54 pm

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I think the question is still ambiguously stated. Here is an example that (I hope) illustrates the question the OP is trying to ask:

QF operates a flight between LAX and SYD. AA codeshares on the flight. The question is whether AA will show its own award inventory on that flight.

If this is the question, I thought that: (1) AA offers its own award inventory only on flights operated by AA; and (2) if you want to use AA miles for an award on a flight operated by a partner airline (not AA), then the award has to be available on the inventory of the operating airline (QF in this example) and you would have to use the "AAdvantage Participant Airline Award Chart" to determine how many miles the award costs.

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Jul 28, 2005 | 3:09 pm

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...and (2) if you want to use AA miles for an award on a flight operated by a partner airline (not AA), then the award has to be available on the inventory of the operating airline (QF in this example)...

Nope. Let's say flight AA9999, an imaginary codeshare operated by QF. This flight has, and will show, its own award availability. You do not have to look it up under the QF flight number.

Jul 28, 2005 | 3:24 pm

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Perhaps.

But Expertflyer.com shows no award inventory on the AA codeshare flights from LAX to SYD on June 1, 2006 (AA 7308, AA 7364, AA 7366, AA 7370/7378, AA 7356/7300, AA 7356/7360, AA 7370/7372). However, Expertflyer.com shows inventory on lots of AA-operated flights from LAX to LHR on the same date. Is this a limitation of Expertflyer.com or a contradiction of what you're saying?

Jul 28, 2005 | 3:26 pm

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In that case the answer is no. Here's a thread with a similar question:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...metal+operated

I followed the thread and I don't think it answered the question. Clearly if the rules say "marketed and operated by American..." then it has to be AA metal. The rules only say on American, American Eagle etc. Is "on" the same as "marketed and operated"?

Jul 28, 2005 | 3:35 pm

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Originally Posted by Austinrunner

Note this is why I think the answer was no, because the AAdvantage award chart doesn't show what the cost of an award to the South Pacific. It probably doesn't matter as a practical matter because the inventory for AA Awards is probably the same as the AAdvantage partner airline award inventory, but in the off chance that it wasn't, I wanted to know.

Jul 28, 2005 | 3:36 pm

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...Is this a limitation of Expertflyer.com or a contradiction of what you're saying?

Neither a limitation nor a contradiction. EF shows no availability because there's none.

Look up another route, where award availability is more probable than QF across the Pacific, like SCL-SYD, for example; QF markets on that route a flight operated by LAN, and if you check availability of award classes, under the QF number, you will see that, on some days, there is some.

Jul 28, 2005 | 3:48 pm

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...Is "on" the same as "marketed and operated"?

No, not in the exact, fine print, way you put it, but then again, awards have a -lot- of rules that are not shown in an explicit way on that web page, and that does not make them less real.

I still feel confident that the plain vanilla awards (AA+Eagle) can only be redeemed on AA+Eagle metal, and any other flight, operated by one of the partners, has to be claimed as a Partners award.

Jul 28, 2005 | 4:03 pm

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Originally Posted by Viajero

I still feel confident that the plain vanilla awards (AA+Eagle) can only be redeemed on AA+Eagle metal, and any other flight, operated by one of the partners, has to be claimed as a Partners award.

That's almost exactly what I said in my first post of this thread.

Expertflyer.com shows no award buckets for LAX to SYD. The flights are not Z0, U0, and T0. There are no award buckets whatsoever. Do you see the difference? If not, try doing the search yourself.

Jul 28, 2005 | 4:17 pm

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That's almost exactly what I said in my first post of this thread...

I know, and I agree with that part of your post, it is only on point 2, the part I quoted on my response, where I feel we differ.

Jul 28, 2005 | 4:27 pm

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Maybe the answer varies, depending on which oneworld airline is codesharing.

I just found award buckets on Expertflyer.com for QF 322 from SYD to SCL on June 1, 2006, which is operated by LA. But I still have not seen any evidence that AA offers award buckets on AA codeshare flight numbers for flights operated by other airlines.

Jul 28, 2005 | 4:37 pm

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And I have just been able to confirm the same, with AA.

Ok, my previous answer was based on what I was seeing for QF, your answer was based on what you were seeing for AA. We are both right, and I have no explanation for the different treatment of award availability on codeshares.

Draw?

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