Any WAW tips?
Feb 28, 2005 | 3:49 am
#16
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Originally Posted by QF Hammer
Is this actually necessary? Personally I am looking at flying in completely the other direction on a DONEx (ie via Asia) so putting an AA sector in will require me to go via NA first which is not practical for what I want to use the ticket for. Any suggestions would be most welcome on this.
Feb 28, 2005 | 5:51 am
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Originally Posted by QF Hammer
Is this actually necessary? Personally I am looking at flying in completely the other direction on a DONEx (ie via Asia) so putting an AA sector in will require me to go via NA first which is not practical for what I want to use the ticket for. Any suggestions would be most welcome on this.
Feb 28, 2005 | 2:22 pm
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OK, I know this is very, very basic stuff but as the search is down, I have the courage to post some novice questions:
Is this something that could be realistically done ex-WAW with Tal
1. Send them valid DONE ITN by email
2. They can book the flights and give the amad. res.number - booking confirmed for the flights that have dates
3. Some segments could be lefted open dated at booking (obvius, right?)
4. When ticketing, latest 21 days prior to dep. they charge my CC
5. They hold the tickets in their office for me to collect once trip commences from WAW
6. Price is only set when they do the ticketing/charge my card
From your experience, is this something that could work? Also, a little confusing is the rule can I change f.eg. WAW-HEL-JFK (1st 2 segments) dates after booking or/and ticketind until how close to departure date from WAW? I saw some different information about this on some threads.
Anything else to consider?
Sorry for asking some obvious stuff but any help highly appreciated
Cheers
Is this something that could be realistically done ex-WAW with Tal
1. Send them valid DONE ITN by email
2. They can book the flights and give the amad. res.number - booking confirmed for the flights that have dates
3. Some segments could be lefted open dated at booking (obvius, right?)
4. When ticketing, latest 21 days prior to dep. they charge my CC
5. They hold the tickets in their office for me to collect once trip commences from WAW
6. Price is only set when they do the ticketing/charge my card
From your experience, is this something that could work? Also, a little confusing is the rule can I change f.eg. WAW-HEL-JFK (1st 2 segments) dates after booking or/and ticketind until how close to departure date from WAW? I saw some different information about this on some threads.
Anything else to consider?
Sorry for asking some obvious stuff but any help highly appreciated
Cheers
Feb 28, 2005 | 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by NoWindowSeat
OK, I know this is very, very basic stuff but as the search is down, I have the courage to post some novice questions:
Originally Posted by NoWindowSeat
Is this something that could be realistically done ex-WAW with Tal
1. Send them valid DONE ITN by email
2. They can book the flights and give the amad. res.number - booking confirmed for the flights that have dates
3. Some segments could be lefted open dated at booking (obvius, right?)
4. When ticketing, latest 21 days prior to dep. they charge my CC
1. Send them valid DONE ITN by email
2. They can book the flights and give the amad. res.number - booking confirmed for the flights that have dates
3. Some segments could be lefted open dated at booking (obvius, right?)
4. When ticketing, latest 21 days prior to dep. they charge my CC
74N RESERVATIONS/TICKETING
75N -----------------------
76N .
77N . * RESERVATIONS FOR THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT
78N . AND ALL PRECEDING FLIGHTS ARE REQUIRED AS
79N . OUTLINED IN THE CHARTS BELOW.
80N . * ALL OTHER SEGMENTS MAY BE OPEN.
81N . * TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED AS OUTLINED IN THE
82N . CHARTS BELOW.
. . .
106N ORIGIN IN AREA 2/3
107N .
108N X INDICATES NUMBER OF DAYS
109N .
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114N I I DEPARTURE OF I I
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126N I - I 21 TO 8 DAYS I 7 DAYS PRIOR TO I
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129N I - I 7 DAYS OR LESS I PRIOR TO DEPARTURE I
130N ------------------------------------------------------
75N -----------------------
76N .
77N . * RESERVATIONS FOR THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT
78N . AND ALL PRECEDING FLIGHTS ARE REQUIRED AS
79N . OUTLINED IN THE CHARTS BELOW.
80N . * ALL OTHER SEGMENTS MAY BE OPEN.
81N . * TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED AS OUTLINED IN THE
82N . CHARTS BELOW.
. . .
106N ORIGIN IN AREA 2/3
107N .
108N X INDICATES NUMBER OF DAYS
109N .
110N ------------------------------------------------------
111N I FARE BASIS I RESERVATIONS I TICKET MUST BE I
112N I I ARE MADE X I ISSUED : I
113N I I DAYS PRIOR TO I I
114N I I DEPARTURE OF I I
115N I I FIRST FLIGHT I I
116N ------------------------------------------------------
117N I AONE I ANYTIME I 1 HOUR PRIOR TO I
118N I I I DEPARTURE I
119N ------------------------------------------------------
120N I DONE I ANYTIME I 1 HOUR PRIOR TO I
121N I I I DEPARTURE I
122N ------------------------------------------------------
123N I L-ONE I 22 OR MORE I 21 DAYS PRIOR TO I
124N I I DAYS I DEPARTURE I
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126N I - I 21 TO 8 DAYS I 7 DAYS PRIOR TO I
127N I I I DEPARTURE I
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129N I - I 7 DAYS OR LESS I PRIOR TO DEPARTURE I
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Originally Posted by NoWindowSeat
5. They hold the tickets in their office for me to collect once trip commences from WAW
6. Price is only set when they do the ticketing/charge my card
6. Price is only set when they do the ticketing/charge my card
Originally Posted by NoWindowSeat
From your experience, is this something that could work? Also, a little confusing is the rule can I change f.eg. WAW-HEL-JFK (1st 2 segments) dates after booking or/and ticketind until how close to departure date from WAW? I saw some different information about this on some threads.
97N CHANGES
98N --------
99N .
100N PRIOR TO DEPARTURE
101N .
102N TRAVEL ORIGINATING AREA 1:
103N .
104N .
105N . BEFORE TICKET ISSUANCE:
106N .
107N PERMITTED WITHOUT PENALTY.
108N .
109N .
110N . AFTER TICKETING ISSUANCE:
111N .
112N . * CHANGES TO THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT AND
113N . TO PRECEDING FLIGHTS ARE NOT PERMITTED LESS THAN
114N . 7 DAYS PRIOR TO THE DATE OF THE FIRST TICKETED
115N . FLIGHT
116N . * DATE/TIME CHANGES TO OTHER FLIGHTS ARE
117N . PERMITTED AT NO CHARGE.
118N . * DATE/TIME AND ONEWORLD CARRIER CHANGES ARE
119N . PERMITTED WITHOUT REISSUE PROVIDED ORIGIN,
120N . DESTINATION, CONNECT POINTS AND INVENTORY REMAIN
121N . THE SAME.
122N . * CHANGES OTHER THAN DATE/TIME ARE PERMITTED AT A
123N . CHARGE OF USD 75.00. THE TICKET MUST BE REISSUED.
124N . * IF THE CURRENCY OF TICKET ORIGIN IS NOT USD,
125N . CONVERT THE USD AMOUNT AT THE BSR.
126N . * CERTIFIED DEATH/ILLNESS OF THE PASSENGER, THE
127N . PASSENGER*S IMMEDIATE FAMILY OR AN ACCOMPANYING
128N . PASSENGER - REROUTING IS PERMITTED FREE.
129N TRAVEL ORIGINATING AREA 2/3:
130N .
131N UNLIMITED CHANGES PERMITTED WITHOUT CHARGE.
132N .
133N AFTER DEPARTURE
134N .
135N . * CHANGES TO THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT AND
136N . TO PRECEDING FLIGHTS ARE NOT PERMITTED.
137N . * DATE/TIME CHANGES ARE PERMITTED AT NO CHARGE.
138N . * DATE/TIME AND ONEWORLD CARRIER CHANGES ARE
139N . PERMITTED WITHOUT REISSUE PROVIDED ORIGIN,
140N . DESTINATION, CONNECT POINTS AND INVENTORY REMAIN
141N . THE SAME.
142N . * ALL OTHER ROUTING CHANGES ARE PERMITTED AT A
143N . CHARGE OF USD 75.00 PER TRANSACTION. IF CURRENCY
144N . OF TICKET ORIGIN IS NOT USD, CONVERT THE USD
145N . AMOUNT AT THE BSR.
146N . * THE NUMBER OF CONTINENTS/EXTRA FLIGHT SEGMENTS
147N . MAY BE INCREASED/DECREASED. THE PASSENGER WILL BE
148N . CHARGED/REFUNDED ACCORDINGLY. --------------------
149N . -----------------------------------
150N .
151N . NOTE IF THE CHANGE
152N . RESULTS IN A REFUND, A MCO WILL BE ISSUED FOR A
153N . REFUND IN THE COUNTRY OF SALE. ANY APPLICABLE
154N . CHANGE FEE WILL APPLY.
155N . EFFECTIVE AUGUST 15, 2004 -
156N . WHEN THE REROUTING RESULTS IN A REDUCTION TO THE
157N . NUMBER OF CONTINENTS OR EXTRA FLIGHT SEGMENTS
158N . PREVIOUSLY CHARGED, NO REFUND WILL BE GIVEN.
159N . .
160N . * CERTIFIED DEATH/ILLNESS OF THE PASSENGER, THE
161N . PASSENGER*S IMMEDIATE FAMILY OR AN ACCOMPANYING
162N . PASSENGER - REROUTING IS PERMITTED FREE.
163N AT ANY TIME
164N .
165N . * IF THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF TICKET ORIGIN
166N . IS NOT SHOWN, CONVERT THE USD AMOUNT AT THE BSR.
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98N --------
99N .
100N PRIOR TO DEPARTURE
101N .
102N TRAVEL ORIGINATING AREA 1:
103N .
104N .
105N . BEFORE TICKET ISSUANCE:
106N .
107N PERMITTED WITHOUT PENALTY.
108N .
109N .
110N . AFTER TICKETING ISSUANCE:
111N .
112N . * CHANGES TO THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT AND
113N . TO PRECEDING FLIGHTS ARE NOT PERMITTED LESS THAN
114N . 7 DAYS PRIOR TO THE DATE OF THE FIRST TICKETED
115N . FLIGHT
116N . * DATE/TIME CHANGES TO OTHER FLIGHTS ARE
117N . PERMITTED AT NO CHARGE.
118N . * DATE/TIME AND ONEWORLD CARRIER CHANGES ARE
119N . PERMITTED WITHOUT REISSUE PROVIDED ORIGIN,
120N . DESTINATION, CONNECT POINTS AND INVENTORY REMAIN
121N . THE SAME.
122N . * CHANGES OTHER THAN DATE/TIME ARE PERMITTED AT A
123N . CHARGE OF USD 75.00. THE TICKET MUST BE REISSUED.
124N . * IF THE CURRENCY OF TICKET ORIGIN IS NOT USD,
125N . CONVERT THE USD AMOUNT AT THE BSR.
126N . * CERTIFIED DEATH/ILLNESS OF THE PASSENGER, THE
127N . PASSENGER*S IMMEDIATE FAMILY OR AN ACCOMPANYING
128N . PASSENGER - REROUTING IS PERMITTED FREE.
129N TRAVEL ORIGINATING AREA 2/3:
130N .
131N UNLIMITED CHANGES PERMITTED WITHOUT CHARGE.
132N .
133N AFTER DEPARTURE
134N .
135N . * CHANGES TO THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT AND
136N . TO PRECEDING FLIGHTS ARE NOT PERMITTED.
137N . * DATE/TIME CHANGES ARE PERMITTED AT NO CHARGE.
138N . * DATE/TIME AND ONEWORLD CARRIER CHANGES ARE
139N . PERMITTED WITHOUT REISSUE PROVIDED ORIGIN,
140N . DESTINATION, CONNECT POINTS AND INVENTORY REMAIN
141N . THE SAME.
142N . * ALL OTHER ROUTING CHANGES ARE PERMITTED AT A
143N . CHARGE OF USD 75.00 PER TRANSACTION. IF CURRENCY
144N . OF TICKET ORIGIN IS NOT USD, CONVERT THE USD
145N . AMOUNT AT THE BSR.
146N . * THE NUMBER OF CONTINENTS/EXTRA FLIGHT SEGMENTS
147N . MAY BE INCREASED/DECREASED. THE PASSENGER WILL BE
148N . CHARGED/REFUNDED ACCORDINGLY. --------------------
149N . -----------------------------------
150N .
151N . NOTE IF THE CHANGE
152N . RESULTS IN A REFUND, A MCO WILL BE ISSUED FOR A
153N . REFUND IN THE COUNTRY OF SALE. ANY APPLICABLE
154N . CHANGE FEE WILL APPLY.
155N . EFFECTIVE AUGUST 15, 2004 -
156N . WHEN THE REROUTING RESULTS IN A REDUCTION TO THE
157N . NUMBER OF CONTINENTS OR EXTRA FLIGHT SEGMENTS
158N . PREVIOUSLY CHARGED, NO REFUND WILL BE GIVEN.
159N . .
160N . * CERTIFIED DEATH/ILLNESS OF THE PASSENGER, THE
161N . PASSENGER*S IMMEDIATE FAMILY OR AN ACCOMPANYING
162N . PASSENGER - REROUTING IS PERMITTED FREE.
163N AT ANY TIME
164N .
165N . * IF THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF TICKET ORIGIN
166N . IS NOT SHOWN, CONVERT THE USD AMOUNT AT THE BSR.
23NOV04 8BB7 04MAR03 252
* END OF STAR DATA *
Originally Posted by NoWindowSeat
Anything else to consider?
Sorry for asking some obvious stuff but any help highly appreciated
Cheers
Sorry for asking some obvious stuff but any help highly appreciated
Cheers
Feb 28, 2005 | 3:34 pm
#20
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Originally Posted by NoWindowSeat
1. Send them valid DONE ITN by email
Originally Posted by NoWindowSeat
2. They can book the flights and give the amad. res.number - booking confirmed for the flights that have dates
Mar 1, 2005 | 4:27 am
#21
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Originally Posted by Gaza
Yes. or do what I have suggested and call the AA RTW Desk and get them to set it up first. They are far more aware of the rules than TAL. Once AA have set-up the itinerary call or email Tal with the SABRE PNR.
Thanks for the help, now I think I am very near to start booking this as everything seems to be clear.
Mar 2, 2005 | 7:47 am
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Many thanks for all the tips and advices so far, my DONE4 ITN is currently waiting @TAL for them to get the price together, the ITN itself was setup by AA RTW so it should be ok what comes to validity etc.
OK, let's assume I get the price and all goes smoothly and I just wait for the right moment to ask Tal to do the ticketing:
1. How big of a hassle it is to modify the PNR at this stage? Shall I do it with AA RTW or with Tal directly? Can they easily apply the same pricing and just modify the taxes as needed or does it again require them to communicate with AA to get it sorted/validated?
2. aa.com shows at the moment that my booking expires March 31st if not ticketed by then? I thought DONE fares were good for ticketing just an hour before departure and did assume that the PNR wouldn't automatically expire? Is this something I should take up with AA already now?
Cheers
OK, let's assume I get the price and all goes smoothly and I just wait for the right moment to ask Tal to do the ticketing:
1. How big of a hassle it is to modify the PNR at this stage? Shall I do it with AA RTW or with Tal directly? Can they easily apply the same pricing and just modify the taxes as needed or does it again require them to communicate with AA to get it sorted/validated?
2. aa.com shows at the moment that my booking expires March 31st if not ticketed by then? I thought DONE fares were good for ticketing just an hour before departure and did assume that the PNR wouldn't automatically expire? Is this something I should take up with AA already now?
Cheers
Mar 2, 2005 | 8:00 am
#24
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Originally Posted by NoWindowSeat
2. aa.com shows at the moment that my booking expires March 31st if not ticketed by then? I thought DONE fares were good for ticketing just an hour before departure and did assume that the PNR wouldn't automatically expire? Is this something I should take up with AA already now?
Cheers
Cheers
CT
Mar 2, 2005 | 8:10 am
#25
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Originally Posted by NoWindowSeat
Many thanks for all the tips and advices so far, my DONE4 ITN is currently waiting @TAL for them to get the price together, the ITN itself was setup by AA RTW so it should be ok what comes to validity etc.
OK, let's assume I get the price and all goes smoothly and I just wait for the right moment to ask Tal to do the ticketing:
1. How big of a hassle it is to modify the PNR at this stage? Shall I do it with AA RTW or with Tal directly? Can they easily apply the same pricing and just modify the taxes as needed or does it again require them to communicate with AA to get it sorted/validated?
2. aa.com shows at the moment that my booking expires March 31st if not ticketed by then? I thought DONE fares were good for ticketing just an hour before departure and did assume that the PNR wouldn't automatically expire? Is this something I should take up with AA already now?
Cheers
OK, let's assume I get the price and all goes smoothly and I just wait for the right moment to ask Tal to do the ticketing:
1. How big of a hassle it is to modify the PNR at this stage? Shall I do it with AA RTW or with Tal directly? Can they easily apply the same pricing and just modify the taxes as needed or does it again require them to communicate with AA to get it sorted/validated?
2. aa.com shows at the moment that my booking expires March 31st if not ticketed by then? I thought DONE fares were good for ticketing just an hour before departure and did assume that the PNR wouldn't automatically expire? Is this something I should take up with AA already now?
Cheers
2. You can, if you want, talk to AA and insist they change that date and hold the ticket right up to the day before departure. It might take a call to a supervisor, but they will do it.
Mar 2, 2005 | 9:54 am
#26
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Originally Posted by NoWindowSeat
1. How big of a hassle it is to modify the PNR at this stage? Shall I do it with AA RTW or with Tal directly? Can they easily apply the same pricing and just modify the taxes as needed or does it again require them to communicate with AA to get it sorted/validated?
Originally Posted by NoWindowSeat
2. aa.com shows at the moment that my booking expires March 31st if not ticketed by then? I thought DONE fares were good for ticketing just an hour before departure and did assume that the PNR wouldn't automatically expire? Is this something I should take up with AA already now?
Mar 2, 2005 | 11:59 am
#27
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Expiring inventory
It is normal to set an expiry date on the unissued bookings so that they can be released back into the system. Perhaps if you know the date that you are going to start at then you could nail that it and then open date the rest of the tickets whilst you get yourself sorted out. If you do not know your route, don't hold the seats as I might need them when I do know what I am doing!
Inventory management can get mighty fed up of holding off seats when there are better ways of using that inventory. They might just cancel your whole booking to get hold of one seat for a 1W emerald who is going somewhere on only one of your sectors.
Inventory management can get mighty fed up of holding off seats when there are better ways of using that inventory. They might just cancel your whole booking to get hold of one seat for a 1W emerald who is going somewhere on only one of your sectors.
Mar 2, 2005 | 2:57 pm
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Originally Posted by spotwelder
Inventory management can get mighty fed up of holding off seats when there are better ways of using that inventory. They might just cancel your whole booking to get hold of one seat for a 1W emerald who is going somewhere on only one of your sectors.