Done4 Itinerary and questions
#16

Join Date: Apr 2000
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Originally Posted by ICanSeeForMiles
Thanks everybody for the input. Just wanted to clarify where we are falling out bec i'm still a bit confused.
seg--flights--notes
19) mia-hel (this is shown as nonstop MD11 so should have J class)
SO BASICALLY if I change MIA-HEL_DXB to MIA-LHR-IST, then I should be all set. off to the races, flying the coop, ... taking off!
seg--flights--notes
19) mia-hel (this is shown as nonstop MD11 so should have J class)
SO BASICALLY if I change MIA-HEL_DXB to MIA-LHR-IST, then I should be all set. off to the races, flying the coop, ... taking off!
#17
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Originally Posted by headinclouds
Well, I just checked the Carlson Wagonlit site (replacement for AMEX ITN) and all it shows are economy class inventories. I really doubt that there is business class on that MD-11 MIA-HEL.
MIA-(MAD)-BCN-IST on IB is also an option; one flt. no. MIA-BCN.
#18
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Originally Posted by ICanSeeForMiles
Unfortunately the mileage count is below the AA EXP threshold, but if I'm able to use Qantas link, i'm sure i'll be able to work something out for a bit more out of australasia.
#19
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new itin - achieves AA EXP
ok, here we go. Incorporated all your feedback, MIA-HEL is out, i managed to snake in a CX flight transcon and hopefully make AA EXP in the process.
Here's the itin:
ist-lhr-dxb-lhr-sin-mel-drw-per-cbr-syd-bom-bkk-hkg-del-hkg-jfk-sjo-lax-sjo-jfk-yvr-lax-lhr-ist
66785 miles on GCM x 1.5 = over 100k q points. Stopovers in order are, dxb,mel,drw,syd,bom,del,hkg,jfk,lax,sjo,jfklhr
One V Imp question. on a continuing flight , do you get point to point miles or total miles actually flown:
Ex AA2915 LAX-DFW-GUA is listed in the timetable as 2560 miles which = LAX-DFW + DFW-GUA. But actual straight mileage LAX-GUA is 2190. IF I BOOK AA 2195 FROM LAX-GUA WILL I GET 2560 MILES ACTUALLY CREDITED OR ONLY 2190.
I have continuing flights on BA/QF , CX, and AA so if rules differ for different OW airlines please let me know.
Thanks
Here's the itin:
ist-lhr-dxb-lhr-sin-mel-drw-per-cbr-syd-bom-bkk-hkg-del-hkg-jfk-sjo-lax-sjo-jfk-yvr-lax-lhr-ist
66785 miles on GCM x 1.5 = over 100k q points. Stopovers in order are, dxb,mel,drw,syd,bom,del,hkg,jfk,lax,sjo,jfklhr
One V Imp question. on a continuing flight , do you get point to point miles or total miles actually flown:
Ex AA2915 LAX-DFW-GUA is listed in the timetable as 2560 miles which = LAX-DFW + DFW-GUA. But actual straight mileage LAX-GUA is 2190. IF I BOOK AA 2195 FROM LAX-GUA WILL I GET 2560 MILES ACTUALLY CREDITED OR ONLY 2190.
I have continuing flights on BA/QF , CX, and AA so if rules differ for different OW airlines please let me know.
Thanks
#20
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Originally Posted by ICanSeeForMiles
Ex AA2915 LAX-DFW-GUA is listed in the timetable as 2560 miles which = LAX-DFW + DFW-GUA. But actual straight mileage LAX-GUA is 2190. IF I BOOK AA 2195 FROM LAX-GUA WILL I GET 2560 MILES ACTUALLY CREDITED OR ONLY 2190.Thanks
Last edited by Mwenenzi; Jan 6, 2005 at 1:19 am
#21
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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
2190
From AA timetable:
Guatemala City GT (GUA) 2564mi
11:17a 8:24p AA2195 DH4 0 2:20
Above EFF. Jan 31
There is no straight flight to GUA, you have to
go through DFW so I don't see why you would get the mileage as if you had flown straight.
#23
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Originally Posted by ICanSeeForMiles
There is no straight flight to GUA, you have to go through DFW so I don't see why you would get the mileage as if you had flown straight.
And you're discovering one of AA's/OW's huge gaps - lousy coverage on the N. America west coast. Any routes to/from WA, OR, BC, ID, AB, MT, or AK that originate anywhere except ORD, DFW, STL or JFK, or v.v., are operated by AS. You'll get full AA EQM/EQP riding on AS, but won't be able to use any xONEx segments.
The good news is that you can nest an AS ticket pretty easily within your OWE and flesh out your itinerary. Even coach is quite tolerable on most of the 1-3 hr. hops on the west coast such as LAX-YVR.
#24

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Originally Posted by ICanSeeForMiles
ok, here we go. Incorporated all your feedback, MIA-HEL is out, i managed to snake in a CX flight transcon and hopefully make AA EXP in the process.
Here's the itin:
ist-lhr-dxb-lhr-sin-mel-drw-per-cbr-syd-bom-bkk-hkg-del-hkg-jfk-sjo-lax-sjo-jfk-yvr-lax-lhr-ist
Thanks
Here's the itin:
ist-lhr-dxb-lhr-sin-mel-drw-per-cbr-syd-bom-bkk-hkg-del-hkg-jfk-sjo-lax-sjo-jfk-yvr-lax-lhr-ist
Thanks
#25
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Originally Posted by headinclouds
Well, i count 23 segments, so you are 3 over the limit. Did you mean bom-hkg (since I think this flight has an intermediate stop at BKK)?
ist-lhr-dxb-lhr-mel-drw-per-cbr-syd-bom-hkg-del-hkg-jfk-sjo-lax-sjo-jfk-yvr//lax-lhr-ist
with a separate ticket on AS (as AA codeshare) for YVR-LAX. This would be OK I believe. Agree also that SYD-CBR is a waste - a separate ticket (or a train/car or something) would be better.
Gardyloo,
The normal terminology for what you are calling "continuation" fliights is "direct" flights. "Direct" means that there is a single flight number (and hence a single ticket coupon) covering the whole flight, even if there is one or more intermediate stops. When getting this ticketed you don't need to refer to the intermediate stops - that will just confuse people - just refer to LHR-MEL and BOM-HKG.
Last edited by christep; Jan 6, 2005 at 7:41 pm Reason: typo
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Originally Posted by christep
Gardyloo,
The normal terminology for what you are calling "continuation" fliights is "direct" flights. "Direct" means that there is a single flight number (and hence a single ticket coupon) covering the whole flight, even if there is one or more intermediate stops. When getting this ticketed you don't need to refer to the intermediate stops - that will just confuse people - just refer to LHR-MEL and BOM-HKG.
The normal terminology for what you are calling "continuation" fliights is "direct" flights. "Direct" means that there is a single flight number (and hence a single ticket coupon) covering the whole flight, even if there is one or more intermediate stops. When getting this ticketed you don't need to refer to the intermediate stops - that will just confuse people - just refer to LHR-MEL and BOM-HKG.
AS flights don't need to be booked using the AA codeshare no. for EQM/P purposes. If fact, at the airport when you try to type in an AA locator to the e-machine, it burps and sends you to the human, who will then cut the BP with AS' own number on it. Just make sure your AAdvantage no. is in the right box.
Last edited by Gardyloo; Jan 6, 2005 at 8:44 pm Reason: fuzzy brain attack.
#27
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new itin - 67974 miles
As always, helpful input. I forgot to mention that cbr-syd was by car, sorry. Did it to avoid the transcon rule in OZ. Here's the new itinerary. No AS, not ready to buy another ticket just to enjoy CX Transcon.
1) ist-lhr
2) lhr-dxb
3) dxb-lhr
4) lhr-mel
5) mel-drw (transcon)
6) drw-per
7) per-cbr cbr to syd by land
8) syd-bom
9) bom-hkg
10) hkg-del
11) del-hkg
12) hkg-jfk
13) jfk-sjo
14) sjo-lax
15) lax-sju (transcon)
16) sju-jfk
17) jfk-sjo
18) sjo-lax
19) lax-lhr
20) lhr-ist
Total Miles 67974 on GCM. Hows that! flying through SJO a second time might be a bit painful, but the lax-sjo flight arrives in the morning and sjo-jfk takes off at 1:45 so should be ok. Leave LAX one night and arrive in JFK next evening.
By the way, the terminology "continuing" comes from OW, I think. On the timetable it list the "nonstop,direct,1stop and more choices" however, when you pull up a through itin like BA 17 lhr-sin-syd, it lists the second flight as a "continuing flight".
1) ist-lhr
2) lhr-dxb
3) dxb-lhr
4) lhr-mel
5) mel-drw (transcon)
6) drw-per
7) per-cbr cbr to syd by land
8) syd-bom
9) bom-hkg
10) hkg-del
11) del-hkg
12) hkg-jfk
13) jfk-sjo
14) sjo-lax
15) lax-sju (transcon)
16) sju-jfk
17) jfk-sjo
18) sjo-lax
19) lax-lhr
20) lhr-ist
Total Miles 67974 on GCM. Hows that! flying through SJO a second time might be a bit painful, but the lax-sjo flight arrives in the morning and sjo-jfk takes off at 1:45 so should be ok. Leave LAX one night and arrive in JFK next evening.
By the way, the terminology "continuing" comes from OW, I think. On the timetable it list the "nonstop,direct,1stop and more choices" however, when you pull up a through itin like BA 17 lhr-sin-syd, it lists the second flight as a "continuing flight".
#29
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Just wanted to confirm that the HEL-MIA-HEL is Y only. The J-class seats are sold for a premium but in-flight service is Y. J-seats are a little like Y+ on these flights. The flight is code-shared with AA.

