DONE3 with backtrack - appreciate your advices
Sep 21, 2004 | 6:37 am
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DONE3 with backtrack - appreciate your advices
Greetings friends,
It's time once again to refresh the QF status credit balance. I have to travel to LAS in March, and SAT (near DFW) in April. Now what I also want to do is have a holiday with my family in the UK in April, then fly home to BNE with my family in late April. Finally want to do some appointments in the middle!
These are the places I'm looking to go to:
BNE-AKL (stopover)-LAS (stopover)-SEA (stopover)-New York (can be <24 hours if needed)-LHR or MAN or BHX (stop for 3 weeks). Then LHR or MAN or BHX-SAT (stopover)-LHR (stopover). then must be direct LHR to BNE with only 1 stop on QF, due to having Mrs willyroo + 2 junioroos in tow.
The main issue here is the cheapest way to get myself between USA and UK in J without nesting another RTW ticket in there.
Any suggestions warmly appreciated, including convoluted Status Credit friendly (ie +1,000 and +2,700 mile) routings...
It's time once again to refresh the QF status credit balance. I have to travel to LAS in March, and SAT (near DFW) in April. Now what I also want to do is have a holiday with my family in the UK in April, then fly home to BNE with my family in late April. Finally want to do some appointments in the middle!
These are the places I'm looking to go to:
BNE-AKL (stopover)-LAS (stopover)-SEA (stopover)-New York (can be <24 hours if needed)-LHR or MAN or BHX (stop for 3 weeks). Then LHR or MAN or BHX-SAT (stopover)-LHR (stopover). then must be direct LHR to BNE with only 1 stop on QF, due to having Mrs willyroo + 2 junioroos in tow.
The main issue here is the cheapest way to get myself between USA and UK in J without nesting another RTW ticket in there.
Any suggestions warmly appreciated, including convoluted Status Credit friendly (ie +1,000 and +2,700 mile) routings...
Sep 21, 2004 | 7:52 am
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A bit confused at what you need.
do you mean you want to get a seperate USA-LHR-USA ticket? or what?
If this is a MR then you are not really doing too well.
I will NEVER take the flight to AKL and then to USA
As you miss out on the SYD-JFK miles and then another Trans Con available
in Europe you are also not doing much as well.
But i guess you need to goto both USA ans EUR then RTW is the only reasonable option.
I think the LHR-USA-LHR segments you just have to pay for another ticket
(also remember the 40 Pounds per intl dep tax on J/F/T class from all UK Airports)
do you mean you want to get a seperate USA-LHR-USA ticket? or what?
If this is a MR then you are not really doing too well.
I will NEVER take the flight to AKL and then to USA
As you miss out on the SYD-JFK miles and then another Trans Con available
in Europe you are also not doing much as well.
But i guess you need to goto both USA ans EUR then RTW is the only reasonable option.
I think the LHR-USA-LHR segments you just have to pay for another ticket
(also remember the 40 Pounds per intl dep tax on J/F/T class from all UK Airports)
Sep 21, 2004 | 7:57 am
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I think you are done for on this route ex BNE
Hi,
I think that you are DONE4 on this route as you are SWP-North America-Europe then Asia/Africa-SWP.
Are you going to originate the ticket in BNE, anywhere else SWP, do you want to nip over to PER for the status points before going off to AKL (remember the AKL service from ADL is just over the 2000, oops BA mileage limit, sorry)?
How about going through asia both ways, with one being a direct transit on the route exception clause for Europe to SWP and vice versa.
SEA to LON will tip the 5000 miles. Can you split the order of NYC and SEA to route into London that way? Go direct on from London to MAN/GLA to avoid the two stopovers in LON.
You could do the day flight from NYC to LON to avoid the overnight on a separate Y ticket return and that would save money. You could split off the RTW in Europe with a quick Portugal and take the ex-Portugal-LON-IAD/NYC cheapie in J and then head down to DFW/SAT. From UK to Portugal you could use a charter operator for the single ticket if you are running short of coupons and go MAN/LGW to Faro, then BA (GB Franchise) to LGW to transfer to LHR for the return transatlantic, I have personal knowledge of this!)
As for the final leg, well it is obvious, there is no seat availability so you will have to go LHR-NRT-MEL-BNE for the double 5000 miler. Alternatively, there is the via JNB option but that will bring you back to SYD. I have not worked out any other double 5000 milers for UK-Oz via Asia yet and BNE is a bit short anyway. I suppose that the HKG-AKL is around that distance but I cannot remember, how do you fancy LON-HKG-AKL-BNE-DIVO-RCE as a status lowering exercise in personal freedom?
Cheers
More help if you can mould some of the reply.
David
I think that you are DONE4 on this route as you are SWP-North America-Europe then Asia/Africa-SWP.
Are you going to originate the ticket in BNE, anywhere else SWP, do you want to nip over to PER for the status points before going off to AKL (remember the AKL service from ADL is just over the 2000, oops BA mileage limit, sorry)?
How about going through asia both ways, with one being a direct transit on the route exception clause for Europe to SWP and vice versa.
SEA to LON will tip the 5000 miles. Can you split the order of NYC and SEA to route into London that way? Go direct on from London to MAN/GLA to avoid the two stopovers in LON.
You could do the day flight from NYC to LON to avoid the overnight on a separate Y ticket return and that would save money. You could split off the RTW in Europe with a quick Portugal and take the ex-Portugal-LON-IAD/NYC cheapie in J and then head down to DFW/SAT. From UK to Portugal you could use a charter operator for the single ticket if you are running short of coupons and go MAN/LGW to Faro, then BA (GB Franchise) to LGW to transfer to LHR for the return transatlantic, I have personal knowledge of this!)
As for the final leg, well it is obvious, there is no seat availability so you will have to go LHR-NRT-MEL-BNE for the double 5000 miler. Alternatively, there is the via JNB option but that will bring you back to SYD. I have not worked out any other double 5000 milers for UK-Oz via Asia yet and BNE is a bit short anyway. I suppose that the HKG-AKL is around that distance but I cannot remember, how do you fancy LON-HKG-AKL-BNE-DIVO-RCE as a status lowering exercise in personal freedom?
Cheers
More help if you can mould some of the reply.
David
Sep 21, 2004 | 8:17 am
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Originally Posted by spotwelder
Hi,
I think that you are DONE4 on this route as you are SWP-North America-Europe then Asia/Africa-SWP.
Are you going to originate the ticket in BNE, anywhere else SWP, do you want to nip over to PER for the status points before going off to AKL (remember the AKL service from ADL is just over the 2000, oops BA mileage limit, sorry)?
How about going through asia both ways, with one being a direct transit on the route exception clause for Europe to SWP and vice versa.
SEA to LON will tip the 5000 miles. Can you split the order of NYC and SEA to route into London that way? Go direct on from London to MAN/GLA to avoid the two stopovers in LON.
You could do the day flight from NYC to LON to avoid the overnight on a separate Y ticket return and that would save money. You could split off the RTW in Europe with a quick Portugal and take the ex-Portugal-LON-IAD/NYC cheapie in J and then head down to DFW/SAT. From UK to Portugal you could use a charter operator for the single ticket if you are running short of coupons and go MAN/LGW to Faro, then BA (GB Franchise) to LGW to transfer to LHR for the return transatlantic, I have personal knowledge of this!)
As for the final leg, well it is obvious, there is no seat availability so you will have to go LHR-NRT-MEL-BNE for the double 5000 miler. Alternatively, there is the via JNB option but that will bring you back to SYD. I have not worked out any other double 5000 milers for UK-Oz via Asia yet and BNE is a bit short anyway. I suppose that the HKG-AKL is around that distance but I cannot remember, how do you fancy LON-HKG-AKL-BNE-DIVO-RCE as a status lowering exercise in personal freedom?
Cheers
More help if you can mould some of the reply.
David
I think that you are DONE4 on this route as you are SWP-North America-Europe then Asia/Africa-SWP.
Are you going to originate the ticket in BNE, anywhere else SWP, do you want to nip over to PER for the status points before going off to AKL (remember the AKL service from ADL is just over the 2000, oops BA mileage limit, sorry)?
How about going through asia both ways, with one being a direct transit on the route exception clause for Europe to SWP and vice versa.
SEA to LON will tip the 5000 miles. Can you split the order of NYC and SEA to route into London that way? Go direct on from London to MAN/GLA to avoid the two stopovers in LON.
You could do the day flight from NYC to LON to avoid the overnight on a separate Y ticket return and that would save money. You could split off the RTW in Europe with a quick Portugal and take the ex-Portugal-LON-IAD/NYC cheapie in J and then head down to DFW/SAT. From UK to Portugal you could use a charter operator for the single ticket if you are running short of coupons and go MAN/LGW to Faro, then BA (GB Franchise) to LGW to transfer to LHR for the return transatlantic, I have personal knowledge of this!)
As for the final leg, well it is obvious, there is no seat availability so you will have to go LHR-NRT-MEL-BNE for the double 5000 miler. Alternatively, there is the via JNB option but that will bring you back to SYD. I have not worked out any other double 5000 milers for UK-Oz via Asia yet and BNE is a bit short anyway. I suppose that the HKG-AKL is around that distance but I cannot remember, how do you fancy LON-HKG-AKL-BNE-DIVO-RCE as a status lowering exercise in personal freedom?
Cheers
More help if you can mould some of the reply.
David
I am still confused at what you need?? Why overnight in NYC??
Anyway.
I have done the following before :
LHR-SIN-ASIA-HKG-AKL-MEL-PER-SYD
Note that HKG-AKL is on a 34D now so no more F Class.
Sep 21, 2004 | 3:17 pm
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Yes - will need a separate itin USA-UK. This is company paid - the alternative for the company is 2 x DCIR22 (BNE-LAS-BNE and BNE-SAT-BNE), so should be cheaper to include a J USA-UK fare in addition to the RTW instead.
Hi David - appreciate the thoughtful reply. I will only be transiting Asia to get back to Australia - LHR-BNE with no stops in Asia, eg QF10/52 - but I think you're right, that will be a DONE4. I notice one of the alternatives on your "suggested" route was DIV-ORC(E)...had a good long laugh at that one! 
My wife and kids will be doing a Y award BNE-LHR return, so I'll join them in LHR.
BNE origin, happy to MR to get to AKL, where I'll stop for an appointment. I wonder if BNE-ADL-PER-SYD/MEL-AKL is legal (BNE-ADL 1006 miles)?
Too long in a thin metal tube - and I still need to end up in LAS straight after AKL. I will have a think about BNE-AKL-HKG-LAX/SFO-LAS - so would definitely need a DONE4 in this case. (Note to self - make sure the CX flights are booked using AA codeshares where possible)
Happy to split the NYC and SEA order. Could maybe do SEA-SFO-BOS for the magic 2704 mile D->A?
The main strictures are that I have to go to, and stop at: AKL, LAS, SEA, NYC (can stop <24hrs), LHR or MAN or BHX. Anything else that can be added in between would be fine and fun!
Originally Posted by spotwelder
Hi,
I think that you are DONE4 on this route as you are SWP-North America-Europe then Asia/Africa-SWP.
I think that you are DONE4 on this route as you are SWP-North America-Europe then Asia/Africa-SWP.
My wife and kids will be doing a Y award BNE-LHR return, so I'll join them in LHR.
Are you going to originate the ticket in BNE, anywhere else SWP, do you want to nip over to PER for the status points before going off to AKL (remember the AKL service from ADL is just over the 2000, oops BA mileage limit, sorry)?
How about going through asia both ways, with one being a direct transit on the route exception clause for Europe to SWP and vice versa.
SEA to LON will tip the 5000 miles. Can you split the order of NYC and SEA to route into London that way? Go direct on from London to MAN/GLA to avoid the two stopovers in LON.
The main strictures are that I have to go to, and stop at: AKL, LAS, SEA, NYC (can stop <24hrs), LHR or MAN or BHX. Anything else that can be added in between would be fine and fun!
Last edited by willyroo; Sep 21, 2004 at 4:35 pm
Sep 21, 2004 | 6:23 pm
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BNE-ADL-PER-SYD-AKL is 100% legal provided you only have 2 stopovers (probably you only have 1, at AKL). Then AKL-HKG-LAX-LAS is the logical routing, or if you have the segments AKL-HKG-SFO-BOS-DFW-LAS. The cheap purchased J fares on BA are from LIS or VIE (sometimes from Germany as well but that comes and goes). AA has even cheaper J fares but they are negotiated (by your company or corporate travel agent). BA does have a WT+ sale on now for UK-US travel during certain dates (maybe yours, but probably not to SAT). You could go LHR-LAX-DFW-SAT for the same price (or close to it) as the routing that will come up (LGW-DFW-SAT). May even be able to route LHR-LAX-HNL-DFW-SAT and stay within the MPM (perhaps worth considering in your situation even if you have to buy some extra miles).
Sep 21, 2004 | 6:26 pm
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My meagre contribution to this is to remind that there is no OW service N/S on the US west coast so getting from LAX, SFO or LAS to SEA is either done on a separate AS ticket or via some other place (ORD and DFW being the usual suspects) with a corresponding reduction in coupons. Nonstop SEA-east coast service is on 757s, speaking of thin tubes. YVR-JFK (CX) for the transcon? Nice train ride from SEA to YVR (the cities, not the airports.) Also, FWIW, JFK-PHX is not a transcon, and PHX-LHR (BA) is 5270 mi. vs 4800 SEA-LHR. But it's been a trying day and my brain hurts, so I have no idea if any of this is interesting or on topic. Sorry, so very very sorry. Sorry.
Oct 12, 2004 | 9:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
My meagre contribution to this is to remind that there is no OW service N/S on the US west coast so getting from LAX, SFO or LAS to SEA is either done on a separate AS ticket or via some other place (ORD and DFW being the usual suspects) with a corresponding reduction in coupons. ...
But it's been a trying day and my brain hurts, so I have no idea if any of this is interesting or on topic.
But it's been a trying day and my brain hurts, so I have no idea if any of this is interesting or on topic.
Found a routing with no AS. Ditched AKL and NYC also. Current itin SYD-SYD:
SYD-HKG
HKG-LAX
LAX-LAS (Conference 1)
(SYD-AKL-HKG-LAX-LAS requires a night in LAX)
LAS-DFW
DFW-SEA
SEA-LHR
LHR-SFO
SFO-DFW
DFW-SAT (Conference 2)
SAT-DFW
DFW-LAX
LAX-LHR
LHR-SIN/HKG
SIN/HKG-BNE
BNE-ADL
ADL-PER
PER-MEL
MEL-SYD
I'll have to find a cheap J LAS/LAX/DFW-LHR-DFW/SAT ticket in there somewhere.
Any other thoughts much appreciated.