optimize first rtw
#16
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Originally Posted by alect
I would have thought that once the ticket is issued no one can refuse you to reserve and board the flights as ticketed.....is that not right?
#17
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Join Date: Jul 2001
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geez guys you are freaking me out. just got back from ko samui, next week i am going to tackle this whole RTW thing ...
problem solved. I just spoke to both CX Taiwan and MPC about my itinerary as posted: TPE-HKG-DEL-HKG-NRT-HKG-LHR ............ JFK-HKG-TPE.
No problem, both said, the rule being that ' in the continent of origin ', you can have a maximum of two STOPOVERS, but unlimited segments. I pointed out that "unlimited segments" is probably no the exact wording of the rules ... i have found no reference to this in the rules, but by now I have been assured by two different people at Cathay in Taipei and the MPC in Hong Kong that my itinerary is legal. Maybe somebody finds the pertinent rule, I am not gonna invest more time in this. MPC said if they'd actually enforce 'four segments' in Asia, nobody would by RTW tickets ex Taipei.
Well. I have recorded the conversation with MPC and CX, so in case they don't let me on a flight, I play them the tape.
problem solved. I just spoke to both CX Taiwan and MPC about my itinerary as posted: TPE-HKG-DEL-HKG-NRT-HKG-LHR ............ JFK-HKG-TPE.
No problem, both said, the rule being that ' in the continent of origin ', you can have a maximum of two STOPOVERS, but unlimited segments. I pointed out that "unlimited segments" is probably no the exact wording of the rules ... i have found no reference to this in the rules, but by now I have been assured by two different people at Cathay in Taipei and the MPC in Hong Kong that my itinerary is legal. Maybe somebody finds the pertinent rule, I am not gonna invest more time in this. MPC said if they'd actually enforce 'four segments' in Asia, nobody would by RTW tickets ex Taipei.
Well. I have recorded the conversation with MPC and CX, so in case they don't let me on a flight, I play them the tape.
Last edited by mhtaipei; Jun 3, 2004 at 12:52 am
#18
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How interesting... so can you break the 20 segment rule as well? What is to stop you just doing HKG-NRT-HKG-NRT-.... for as long as you want in order to get, say, Diamond status?
Personally I wouldn't risk it.
Personally I wouldn't risk it.
#19
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Join Date: Jul 2001
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well, that's what I thought. I am hugely disappointed by this whole RTW business - can't seem to get reliable information. But a colleague tells me Star Alliance is even worse in that matter.
I hope to ticket the itinerary in a week or two, maybe somebody cries wolf then.
I hope to ticket the itinerary in a week or two, maybe somebody cries wolf then.
#20
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Join Date: Jul 2001
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all legal
it's all perfectly legal. i checked the rules. appearantly you guys are mislead by the 4 sector rule.
Here is what it says on the oneworld website:
Flights and stopovers
You are allowed to taketwo stopovers in total within your continent of origin in order to get to or from a gateway to commence or return from your international travel.
After departing from your continent of origin, you are allowed to take up tofour flights to explore each of the other continents (six flights in North America).
You can book up totwo additional flights per continent, at a set rate.
http://www.oneworld.com/products/det...fm?ObjectID=21
Here is what it says on the oneworld website:
Flights and stopovers
You are allowed to taketwo stopovers in total within your continent of origin in order to get to or from a gateway to commence or return from your international travel.
After departing from your continent of origin, you are allowed to take up tofour flights to explore each of the other continents (six flights in North America).
You can book up totwo additional flights per continent, at a set rate.
http://www.oneworld.com/products/det...fm?ObjectID=21
#21

Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 2,898
Originally Posted by mhtaipei
it's all perfectly legal. i checked the rules. appearantly you guys are mislead by the 4 sector rule.
Here is what it says on the oneworld website:
Flights and stopovers
You are allowed to taketwo stopovers in total within your continent of origin in order to get to or from a gateway to commence or return from your international travel.
After departing from your continent of origin, you are allowed to take up tofour flights to explore each of the other continents (six flights in North America).
You can book up totwo additional flights per continent, at a set rate.
http://www.oneworld.com/products/det...fm?ObjectID=21
Here is what it says on the oneworld website:
Flights and stopovers
You are allowed to taketwo stopovers in total within your continent of origin in order to get to or from a gateway to commence or return from your international travel.
After departing from your continent of origin, you are allowed to take up tofour flights to explore each of the other continents (six flights in North America).
You can book up totwo additional flights per continent, at a set rate.
http://www.oneworld.com/products/det...fm?ObjectID=21
The star files define stopovers and the number of free flight segments per continent independently from each other. The rules explicitly state that one cannot buy additional segments in the continent of origin beyond the limit of free segments. The rules also state the number of free flight segments per continent. I have seen that language in the AA, BA, and CX version of the rules. It seems that the oneworld website is not consistent with the actual airline rules, where only stopovers are mentioned in the continent of origin.
This is a recurring problem with airlines. Travellers become angry when there is a conflict between the website and the airline rules. If ticketed, go for it. Just remember that you take a big risk if you need to do a reissue.
Last edited by headinclouds; Jun 4, 2004 at 4:45 pm
#22
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Originally Posted by mhtaipei
it's all perfectly legal. i checked the rules. appearantly you guys are mislead by the 4 sector rule.
Here is what it says on the oneworld website:
Flights and stopovers
You are allowed to taketwo stopovers in total within your continent of origin in order to get to or from a gateway to commence or return from your international travel.
After departing from your continent of origin, you are allowed to take up tofour flights to explore each of the other continents (six flights in North America).
You can book up totwo additional flights per continent, at a set rate.
http://www.oneworld.com/products/det...fm?ObjectID=21
Here is what it says on the oneworld website:
Flights and stopovers
You are allowed to taketwo stopovers in total within your continent of origin in order to get to or from a gateway to commence or return from your international travel.
After departing from your continent of origin, you are allowed to take up tofour flights to explore each of the other continents (six flights in North America).
You can book up totwo additional flights per continent, at a set rate.
http://www.oneworld.com/products/det...fm?ObjectID=21
Further conditions apply. Please speak to any of the oneworld member airlines (Aer Lingus, American Airlines, British Airways, Cathay Pacific, Finnair, Iberia, LAN, Qantas) or your travel agent if you have further queries in connection with your travel. Valid on all scheduled services operated and marketed by Aer Lingus, American Airlines, British Airways, Cathay Pacific, Finnair, Iberia, LAN and Qantas (and affiliates of these carriers). "Marketed" means there must be a oneworld airline flight number on your ticket.
#23
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Join Date: Jul 2001
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To avoid an upcoming fuel charge, I decided to get my RTW ticketed yesterday. Finally the truth came out when CX reservations passed the itinerary to ticketing. You guys were right all along. I humbly kneel before this mighty omnisapient board. And I will never put the opinion of professional airline agents before the wisdom of this board, I swear.
The CX ticketing agent told me that my RTW was illegal, I would have to buy HKG-NRT-HKG as a separate ticket. Its four segments, also in the continent of origin, with 2 stopovers, everbody seems to be mislead by the extra mentioning of 2 stopovers, or whatever. They also say it happens all the time, "reservation people dont understand ticketing rules!". Good grief.
I guess TPE-NRT-HKG-DEL will work then wont it, which lowers the mileage count by almost 8000.
The CX ticketing agent told me that my RTW was illegal, I would have to buy HKG-NRT-HKG as a separate ticket. Its four segments, also in the continent of origin, with 2 stopovers, everbody seems to be mislead by the extra mentioning of 2 stopovers, or whatever. They also say it happens all the time, "reservation people dont understand ticketing rules!". Good grief.
I guess TPE-NRT-HKG-DEL will work then wont it, which lowers the mileage count by almost 8000.
Last edited by mhtaipei; Jun 14, 2004 at 9:13 pm

