OW drops to 3rd largest alliance ?
Feb 11, 2004 | 3:07 pm
#1
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OW drops to 3rd largest alliance ?
According to this thread, http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum35/HTML/007293.html
following the AF/KL merger, the OW alliance is now in third place behind SkyTeam (*A is still no 1). Do we believe it?
following the AF/KL merger, the OW alliance is now in third place behind SkyTeam (*A is still no 1). Do we believe it?
Feb 11, 2004 | 4:17 pm
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A little secret....Lat time real comparisons came out, OneWorld was only one percentage point or so ahead of Skyteam. It is most likely that Skyteam already passed OneWorld last October or so. With KLm coming on board it is only a bit behing *, and after NW and CO join it will be far ahead.
Feb 11, 2004 | 5:02 pm
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No way! For 2003 here are the RPKs flown by each alliance partner as reported to and by ATW (in thousands);
Unless you believe that AM flew 100,000,000,000 more RPKs than EI or are using some other measure (revenue, earnings, ASKs, etc.), then OW is still way ahead of SkyTeam.
Edited to fix math and UBB code.
[This message has been edited by ExMo (edited Feb 11, 2004).]
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">
AA . 193,101,530
AY .. 12,970,600
BA . 101,183,000
CX .. 42,773,752
EI .. Data not available
IB .. 42,100,000 (est. based on 11/03 data)
LA .. 12,510,000 (est. based on 11/03 data)
QF .. 68,931,000 (est. based on 11/03 data)
TTL. 473,569,882
AF .. 99,590,000
AM .. Data not available
AZ .. 32,038,000 (est. based on 10/03 data)
DL . 158,766,020
KE .. 36,253,000 (est. based on 11/03 data)
KL .. 43,329,000
OZ ... 5,098,000 (est. based on 11/03 data)
TTL. 375,074,020
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AA . 193,101,530
AY .. 12,970,600
BA . 101,183,000
CX .. 42,773,752
EI .. Data not available
IB .. 42,100,000 (est. based on 11/03 data)
LA .. 12,510,000 (est. based on 11/03 data)
QF .. 68,931,000 (est. based on 11/03 data)
TTL. 473,569,882
AF .. 99,590,000
AM .. Data not available
AZ .. 32,038,000 (est. based on 10/03 data)
DL . 158,766,020
KE .. 36,253,000 (est. based on 11/03 data)
KL .. 43,329,000
OZ ... 5,098,000 (est. based on 11/03 data)
TTL. 375,074,020
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Edited to fix math and UBB code.
[This message has been edited by ExMo (edited Feb 11, 2004).]
Feb 11, 2004 | 5:45 pm
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It all depends upon what criteria they are basing it on. Second largest in terms of passengers flown, daily flights, aircraft, capacity, etc. If it is based upon daily flights they might be right.
As of 1/1/2004 Oneworld had 7,909 daily departures (including Swiss):
http://www.oneworld.com/pressroom/se...s/F000cd01.doc
Without KLM, Skyteam had 7,865 in the summer of 2003:
http://www.skyteam.com/EN/aboutSkyte...fact_sheet.pdf
With KLM it is possible under this standard that they are larger.
As of 1/1/2004 Oneworld had 7,909 daily departures (including Swiss):
http://www.oneworld.com/pressroom/se...s/F000cd01.doc
Without KLM, Skyteam had 7,865 in the summer of 2003:
http://www.skyteam.com/EN/aboutSkyte...fact_sheet.pdf
With KLM it is possible under this standard that they are larger.