need some help / departing ex CAI
Dec 13, 2003 | 6:16 am
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need some help / departing ex CAI
Hi, to all OW-travelers here !
Iám not firm with the OW fares ex CAI !
So I want to ask for some help here .
Iam planing a trip AUG/SEP 6 weeks.
It has to include CPT and BKK and it would be nice if there are not much extra costs, that SYD/AKL are in there.
If the longhaul flights are on BA/CX , "D" class would be ok ( I want a bed ) .
We are 2 adl. + 2 kids.
Is SA in OW ??? or do they join them soon ?
I thought about something like that :
CAI(BA)-LON(BA)-CGN.S.(BA)-LON(BA)-CPT.S.(??)-JNB(QF/SA)-SYD.S.(QF)-CNS.S.(QF)-BNE.S.(QF)-AKL.S.(CX)-HKG(CX)-BKK.S.(BA)-LON(BA)-DUS.S.(BA/IB) anyhow back to CAI !
.S. after 3letter code should indicate a stop longer than 24 h.
I dont´t need all stops in Australia ( only if possible with no extra costs )!
I have seen that the fares with IB are cheaper than with BA / AA / CX ! Why is that ?
thanks for yoou help.
Hubert
[This message has been edited by bertheike (edited Dec 13, 2003).]
Iám not firm with the OW fares ex CAI !
So I want to ask for some help here .
Iam planing a trip AUG/SEP 6 weeks.
It has to include CPT and BKK and it would be nice if there are not much extra costs, that SYD/AKL are in there.
If the longhaul flights are on BA/CX , "D" class would be ok ( I want a bed ) .
We are 2 adl. + 2 kids.
Is SA in OW ??? or do they join them soon ?
I thought about something like that :
CAI(BA)-LON(BA)-CGN.S.(BA)-LON(BA)-CPT.S.(??)-JNB(QF/SA)-SYD.S.(QF)-CNS.S.(QF)-BNE.S.(QF)-AKL.S.(CX)-HKG(CX)-BKK.S.(BA)-LON(BA)-DUS.S.(BA/IB) anyhow back to CAI !
.S. after 3letter code should indicate a stop longer than 24 h.
I dont´t need all stops in Australia ( only if possible with no extra costs )!
I have seen that the fares with IB are cheaper than with BA / AA / CX ! Why is that ?
thanks for yoou help.
Hubert
[This message has been edited by bertheike (edited Dec 13, 2003).]
Dec 13, 2003 | 9:50 am
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This is not an around the world trip because you do not cross either the Atlantic or Pacific oceans. It could be a Circle Indian Ocean trip (Europe-Africa-Asia-Europe), however, it violates a number of rules for that trip. You can only have six total stopovers and a maximum of two per continent.
You could convert this to a four continent RTW trip by adding in North America say BKK-HKG-LAX-LHR. You need to reduce your segments in Europe to a maximum of four with no more than two stopovers if you do this.
Note that there has been a report that fares ex-CAI are going up substantially next week so you may want to wait a bit to see what happens.
You could convert this to a four continent RTW trip by adding in North America say BKK-HKG-LAX-LHR. You need to reduce your segments in Europe to a maximum of four with no more than two stopovers if you do this.
Note that there has been a report that fares ex-CAI are going up substantially next week so you may want to wait a bit to see what happens.
Dec 13, 2003 | 12:53 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ExMo:
Note that there has been a report that fares ex-CAI are going up substantially next week so you may want to wait a bit to see what happens.</font>
Note that there has been a report that fares ex-CAI are going up substantially next week so you may want to wait a bit to see what happens.</font>
So the trip is no RTW, but I read that with OW there are 3 or 4 kontinent fares ! What is the main difference ? milage , stops , stransfers .... ?
I saw a DONEWC4 for 17990 EGP in D with IB
As I understand this may have 4 continents!
Origin CAI counts as Europe !
not more than 6 SO in total !
max 2 SO each kontinent !
If that is ok, may be the following would be ok ?
CAI(BA)-LON(BA)-CGN 1.Stop in Europe
CGN(BA)-LON(BA)-CPT 1.Stop in Africa total 2
CPT(??)-JNB(QF)-SYD(QF)-CNS 1.Stop SWP total 3
CNS(BA)-BNE(QF)-AKL 2.Stop SWP 4 total
AKL(CX)-HKG(CX)-BKK 1.Stop Asia 5 total
BKK(BA)-LON(BA)-DUS 2.Stop Europe 6 total
DUS(BA/IB) anyhow back to CAI !
I have 6 SO , max 2 SO in each kontinent !
going from Europe-Africa-SWP-ASIA-Europe !
Origin and ending in CAI !
Is this ok ?
[This message has been edited by bertheike (edited Dec 13, 2003).]
Dec 13, 2003 | 5:09 pm
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This looks OK. The DONEWC4 is the Circle Indian Ocean fare. You mention that you are traveling with two kids. There are some pretty long trips in your itinerary (>15 hours) that you might be able to break up by picking flights that are not direct connections but leave within 24 hours, thus not counting as a stopover.
The continent based fares you mention are the around the world (RTW) fares. They allow up to 20 total segments and a maximum of four segments in each continent, except North America where you get six total. The only stopove limit is in the continent of origin (Europe) and that is two. As mentioned previously, these require you to cross both the Atlantic and Pacific once and only once in a forward direction. Thus, you could do a four continent DONE4 ticket: Europe-Africa-SWP-Asia-North America-Europe. The current fare, ex-CAI, for this trip is EGP23320.
For your proposed trip, if you can buy a DONEWC4 ex-CAI for EGP17990 that looks like a much better deal. Again, a report states that the price is going up on Monday.
Good luck.
The continent based fares you mention are the around the world (RTW) fares. They allow up to 20 total segments and a maximum of four segments in each continent, except North America where you get six total. The only stopove limit is in the continent of origin (Europe) and that is two. As mentioned previously, these require you to cross both the Atlantic and Pacific once and only once in a forward direction. Thus, you could do a four continent DONE4 ticket: Europe-Africa-SWP-Asia-North America-Europe. The current fare, ex-CAI, for this trip is EGP23320.
For your proposed trip, if you can buy a DONEWC4 ex-CAI for EGP17990 that looks like a much better deal. Again, a report states that the price is going up on Monday.
Good luck.
Dec 14, 2003 | 5:23 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ExMo:
For your proposed trip, if you can buy a DONEWC4 ex-CAI for EGP17990 that looks like a much better deal. Again, a report states that the price is going up on Monday.
Good luck. </font>
For your proposed trip, if you can buy a DONEWC4 ex-CAI for EGP17990 that looks like a much better deal. Again, a report states that the price is going up on Monday.
Good luck. </font>
I would like to know, where I can buy it ?
Is it like the *RTW´s , if you buy them outside the country of origin, let´s say in Germany, you always pay the higher fare, as departing in Germany ? If so, is it possible to buy the EGP fare in Kanada ? If yes, any TA known to work with, he should use AMADEUS, that I can Queue him my own reservation.
thanks
Bert
Dec 14, 2003 | 8:12 am
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The EGP fare is only applicable if the ticket is purchased in Egypt. The same rules that apply to RTWs apply here regarding the price being the higher of the country of origin or the country of sale.
If you are looking at a fare from IB and the fare from BA is higher then I suggest you deal directly with IB. Otherwise, you can ticket with AA, BA, or IB, all of which have offices in CAI.
If you are looking at a fare from IB and the fare from BA is higher then I suggest you deal directly with IB. Otherwise, you can ticket with AA, BA, or IB, all of which have offices in CAI.
Dec 14, 2003 | 9:14 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ExMo:
If you are looking at a fare from IB and the fare from BA is higher then I suggest you deal directly with IB. Otherwise, you can ticket with AA, BA, or IB, all of which have offices in CAI.</font>
If you are looking at a fare from IB and the fare from BA is higher then I suggest you deal directly with IB. Otherwise, you can ticket with AA, BA, or IB, all of which have offices in CAI.</font>
FARE BASIS OW EGP RT PEN DATES DAYS AP MIN MAX AL
DONEWC3 --- 14990 --- 12M+IB
DONEWC4 --- 17990 --- 12M+IB
DONE3 ----- 20990 --- CX
DONEWC3 --- 20990 --- 12M+CX
DONE3 ----- 20990 --- IB
DONEWC3 --- 20990 --- 12M+BA
DGLOB34 --- 23320 --- 12M+CX
DONE4 ----- 23320 --- CX
DONEWC4 --- 23320 --- 12M+CX
DGLOB34 --- 23320 --- 12M+IB
DONE4 ----- 23320 --- IB
DONEWC4 --- 23320 --- 12M+BA
is that a mistake with the IB fares ???
Dec 16, 2003 | 12:15 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ExMo:
As both the BA and CX fares are equal and higher than the IB fare, I'd say the IB fare is incorrect. However, it never hurts to ask. Give them a call and see what they say.</font>
As both the BA and CX fares are equal and higher than the IB fare, I'd say the IB fare is incorrect. However, it never hurts to ask. Give them a call and see what they say.</font>
5 BA 154 D 12JUN 6 CAILHR HK4 0825 1150
6 IB7453 D 12JUN 6 LHRBCN HK4 1430 1735
7 IB4574 D 13JUN 7 BCNDUS HL4 1630 1845 1.stop
8 BA 941 D 22JUL 4 DUSLHR HK4 1640 1700
9 BA 059 D 22JUL 4 LHRCPT HK4 1920 0805+1 2.stop
10 BA6412 D 26JUL 1 CPTJNB HK4 1500 1700
11 QF 064 D 26JUL 1 JNBSYD HK4 1810 1350+1
12 QF 926 D 27JUL 2 SYDCNS HK4 1220 1520 3.stop
13 QF 168 D 03AUG 2 CNSBNE HK4 0630 0830
14 QF 025 D 03AUG 2 BNEAKL HK4 1130 1620 4.stop
15 QF 120 D 10AUG 2 AKLSYD HK4 1540 1705
16 BA 010 D 11AUG 3 SYDBKK HK4 1535 2200 5.stop
17 CX2700 D 04SEP 6 BKKHKG HK4 0820 1210
18 BA 028 D 04SEP 6 HKGLHR HK4 2345 0545+1
19 BA 926 D 05SEP 7 LHRCGN HK4 0830 1050 6.stop
20 BA 927 D 15OCT 5 CGNLHR HK4 1140 1205
21 BA 155 D 15OCT 5 LHRCAI HK4 1700 2250
Dec 16, 2003 | 3:56 pm
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Looks OK except for segment 12, SYD-CNS. You are leaving SYD an hour before you arrive from JNB. You can either overnight in SYD and leave on 28 July or take a later flight to CNS on 27 July.
Edited to add -
I notice that you are holding confirmed status on these flights. As you are probably aware, that will go away if you do not enter a valid ticket number in the PNR.
[This message has been edited by ExMo (edited Dec 16, 2003).]
Edited to add -
I notice that you are holding confirmed status on these flights. As you are probably aware, that will go away if you do not enter a valid ticket number in the PNR.
[This message has been edited by ExMo (edited Dec 16, 2003).]
Dec 16, 2003 | 5:06 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ExMo:
Looks OK except for segment 12, SYD-CNS. You are leaving SYD an hour before you arrive from JNB. You can either overnight in SYD and leave on 28 July or take a later flight to CNS on 27 July.
Edited to add -
I notice that you are holding confirmed status on these flights. As you are probably aware, that will go away if you do not enter a valid ticket number in the PNR.
[This message has been edited by ExMo (edited Dec 16, 2003).]</font>
Looks OK except for segment 12, SYD-CNS. You are leaving SYD an hour before you arrive from JNB. You can either overnight in SYD and leave on 28 July or take a later flight to CNS on 27 July.
Edited to add -
I notice that you are holding confirmed status on these flights. As you are probably aware, that will go away if you do not enter a valid ticket number in the PNR.
[This message has been edited by ExMo (edited Dec 16, 2003).]</font>
i just saw, that we arrive from JNB next day! So i will take the same next day flight! It was planed just to stay under the 24 h.
once again, thanks for your help.
I just want to open a new post in the BA forum. ( Iám opening accounts with BA and they ask for a promotion code ) Do I have any benefit if I have one ? and how to get it ?
Dec 16, 2003 | 8:56 pm
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[quote]<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bertheike:
Sorry, I have no idea about BA's programs as I use AA for mileage.
I just want to open a new post in the BA forum. ( Iám opening accounts with BA and they ask for a promotion code ) Do I have any benefit if I have one ? and how to get it ?
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Jan 7, 2004 | 7:41 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bertheike:
Is the following item ok ???
5 BA 154 D 12JUN 6 CAILHR HK4 0825 1150
6 IB7453 D 12JUN 6 LHRBCN HK4 1430 1735
7 IB4574 D 13JUN 7 BCNDUS HL4 1630 1845 1.stop
8 BA 941 D 22JUL 4 DUSLHR HK4 1640 1700
9 BA 059 D 22JUL 4 LHRCPT HK4 1920 0805+1 2.stop
10 BA6412 D 26JUL 1 CPTJNB HK4 1500 1700
11 QF 064 D 26JUL 1 JNBSYD HK4 1810 1350+1
12 QF 926 D 27JUL 2 SYDCNS HK4 1220 1520 3.stop
13 QF 168 D 03AUG 2 CNSBNE HK4 0630 0830
14 QF 025 D 03AUG 2 BNEAKL HK4 1130 1620 4.stop
15 QF 120 D 10AUG 2 AKLSYD HK4 1540 1705
16 BA 010 D 11AUG 3 SYDBKK HK4 1535 2200 5.stop
17 CX2700 D 04SEP 6 BKKHKG HK4 0820 1210
18 BA 028 D 04SEP 6 HKGLHR HK4 2345 0545+1
19 BA 926 D 05SEP 7 LHRCGN HK4 0830 1050 6.stop
20 BA 927 D 15OCT 5 CGNLHR HK4 1140 1205
21 BA 155 D 15OCT 5 LHRCAI HK4 1700 2250
Originally posted by ExMo:
As both the BA and CX fares are equal and higher than the IB fare, I'd say the IB fare is incorrect. However, it never hurts to ask. Give them a call and see what they say.</font>
As both the BA and CX fares are equal and higher than the IB fare, I'd say the IB fare is incorrect. However, it never hurts to ask. Give them a call and see what they say.</font>
5 BA 154 D 12JUN 6 CAILHR HK4 0825 1150
6 IB7453 D 12JUN 6 LHRBCN HK4 1430 1735
7 IB4574 D 13JUN 7 BCNDUS HL4 1630 1845 1.stop
8 BA 941 D 22JUL 4 DUSLHR HK4 1640 1700
9 BA 059 D 22JUL 4 LHRCPT HK4 1920 0805+1 2.stop
10 BA6412 D 26JUL 1 CPTJNB HK4 1500 1700
11 QF 064 D 26JUL 1 JNBSYD HK4 1810 1350+1
12 QF 926 D 27JUL 2 SYDCNS HK4 1220 1520 3.stop
13 QF 168 D 03AUG 2 CNSBNE HK4 0630 0830
14 QF 025 D 03AUG 2 BNEAKL HK4 1130 1620 4.stop
15 QF 120 D 10AUG 2 AKLSYD HK4 1540 1705
16 BA 010 D 11AUG 3 SYDBKK HK4 1535 2200 5.stop
17 CX2700 D 04SEP 6 BKKHKG HK4 0820 1210
18 BA 028 D 04SEP 6 HKGLHR HK4 2345 0545+1
19 BA 926 D 05SEP 7 LHRCGN HK4 0830 1050 6.stop
20 BA 927 D 15OCT 5 CGNLHR HK4 1140 1205
21 BA 155 D 15OCT 5 LHRCAI HK4 1700 2250
checking under TF for transfers it says :
TF.TRANSFERS/RTGS
NOTE -
APPLICABLE TO TICKETS ISSUED ON/BEFORE 31MAY02
UNLIMITED ONLINE/INTERLINE TRANSFERS PERMITTED
BETWEEN AA/AY/BA/CX/DI/EI/IB/LA/LP/QF SUBJECT
TO SECTORS LIMITATIONS.
APPLICABLE TO TICKETS ISSUED ON/AFTER 01JUN02
UNLIMITED ONLINE/INTERLINE TRANSFERS PERMITTED
BETWEEN AA/AY/BA/CX/EI/IB/LA/LP/QF
but in the general rules it says
F.FREE FLIGHT SEGMENTS WITHIN EACH CONTINENT ARE
LIMITED AS FOLLOWS-
ASIA 4
AFRICA 4
EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST 4 -NO MORE THAN
2 OF WHICH MAY BE BETWEEN THE UK AND ALGE-
RIA/ARMENIA/AZERBAIJAN/BULGARIA/CYPRUS/
GEORGIA/GREECE/ISRAEL/MACEDONIA/MALTA/
MOROCCO/FUNCHAL/PORTUGAL/ROMANIA/RUSSIA/
TUNISIA/UKRAINE/YUGOSLAVIA/THE MIDDLE
EAST-
SOUTHWEST PACIFIC 4
So what is ok unlimited transfers, or 4 within each continent ?
Jan 7, 2004 | 9:34 am
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It's four within each continent. The change in the rules you are reading was meant to be read as removing DI (Deutsche BA?) from the list of allowed carriers. The segment limitation still applies. You therefore have way too many segments in Europe.
You can see CX's published version of the rules here:
http://www.christen.demon.co.uk/CXRule/
You can see CX's published version of the rules here:
http://www.christen.demon.co.uk/CXRule/
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Jan 7, 2004 | 10:43 am
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There appears to be a substantial difference between the CX rules christep has referenced and the rules UserMark has posted from the AA * file here. Specifically, the CX rules allow more stopovers in each continent (no more six total with a max of two per continent) but segments per continent are now restricted as are the destinations from LHR.
The CX rules appear to be more current (they use L class for economy fares), however, you might try to ticket under the old rules with someone other than CX and see what happens.
The CX rules appear to be more current (they use L class for economy fares), however, you might try to ticket under the old rules with someone other than CX and see what happens.