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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 11:20 pm
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Need Comments on RTW itinenary ex SIN

Will appreciate any thought/comments/critique on following itinenary. I have used only 19 segments...

SIN-HKG-BOM-HKG-AKL
(AKL-MEL SURFACE)
MEL-PER-BNE-DRW-SYD
SYD-JFK-SFO-ORD-LAX-ORD
ORD-LAX-LHR-DXB-LHR-HKG-SIN

Thanks in advance.
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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 11:59 pm
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Looks OK.

One suggestion is that you might save a few bucks by doing your surface segment in SWP between MEL and SYD, if the order in Oz isn't important. For example, AKL-BNE-DRW-PER-MEL//SYD. Of course, with all the competition across the Tasman these days, the difference might be negligible.

Another is that if you are flying D or A then you might consider using BA YVR-LHR rather than AA LAX-LHR. A few less miles but probably a nicer flight.
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Old Dec 5, 2003 | 2:16 am
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From Qantas web page on Oneworld Explorer
"Within Australia only one non stop flight is permitted between Perth and Brisbane, Cairns or Sydney; or between Darwin and Melbourne or Sydney. This restriction does not apply for passengers originating their travel in Perth or New Zealand when travelling to/from Africa on the Sydney-Perth direct flights. "

This is usually interpreted as PER-BNE or DRW-SYD but not both. Still, they may ticket it the way you want- good luck !!!

The comment above about SYD-MEL is valid. Always less expensive than Aust - NZ

The SFO-ORD-LAX-ORD-LAX (7080 miles) looks like mileage - status earning.

Plenty of other mileage opportunities if that is one of your aims, unless you really want to go LAX & ORD twice.

19 segments:- 20 is better if you want miles maximised. eg LHR-DXB-HEL-LHR


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Old Dec 6, 2003 | 2:15 pm
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Thank you ExMO and Mwenenzi..

- I am flying this trip D, and was hoping to upgrade LAX-LHR to F using VIPOW.
- the diff in price between MEL-SYD and AKL-MEL is pretty small - about USD $50.
- Regarding SFO-ORD-LAX-ORD-LAX, I am based in Chicago and taking a 3 week break after SFO-ORD and later visiting family in LAX.
- Planning this trip to maintain AA EXP status...definitely looking for status miles.
- I cannot find DXB-HEL in March 04???

A minor question - does it make a difference if I book this with trip AA, CX or QF???
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Old Dec 6, 2003 | 2:58 pm
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I still recommend doing AKL-MEL on the OWE ticket and buying a Red-eDeal on QF for MEL-SYD, if you can rearrange the order in Oz. Not only will you save the US$50 but you will get to fly across the Tasman in D, rather than Y, thus getting many more status miles. You will get 1643 actual miles for the AKL-MEL trip and 2054 Q points. The SYD-MEL in D is only 440 miles and 550 Q points. Also, effective next year, QF will only give 50% credit for discount Y, so you would only get 822 miles and Q points for the AKL-MEL cheap ticket.

AY flies DXB-HEL on Mondays. Check one of those dates as they do show that they fly the route on 8 and 15 March.

You can book with any of the airlines although given your SIN origination, I'd go with CX. If you don't like the service there, use AA.
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Old Dec 6, 2003 | 4:01 pm
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if you cannot get suitable dates LHR-DXB-HEL-LHR, try LHR-HEL-DXB-LHR

LX have flights ZRH-DXB-ZRH. When LX join Oneworld this will be another DXB mileage earning opportunity

LHR-DXB 3420 miles
HEL-DXB 2819
ZRH-DXB 2966

Other milage runs in EU
LHR-IST 1565 (BA)
ZRH-JED 2461 (LX)
ZRH-MCT 3178 (LX)
LHR-MCT 3624 (BA)
HEL-LPA 2921 (AY may be seasonable)
HEL-TFS 2626 (AY may be seasonable)
HEL-FNC 2678 (AY may be seasonable)

To use the 20th segement could go SFO-ORD-LAX-DFW-ORD-LAX (7372 miles) instead of SFO-ORD-LAX-ORD-LAX. I guess there are plenty of other places which could become the 20th segment and still get you to ORD LAX when you want.


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Old Dec 6, 2003 | 8:30 pm
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LX may be joining oneWorld on Apr 1, 2004, but I highly doubt they will immediately be counted as a RTW partner... yet. It may take a few months and only will be valid on tickets issued after the announcement.
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Old Dec 7, 2003 | 7:33 pm
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It is unfortunate that I am planning on this trip in Feb/Mar and LX will not be joining till Apr 04.
I have made some changes to NA itinerary.
Regarding SWP - I agree upon AKL-MEL segment.

SIN-HKG-BOM-HKG-AKL
AKL-MEL-PER-BNE-DRW
(Surface DRW-SYD; can I purchase this extra segment??)
SYD-JFK
(Surface JFK/LGA-ORD)
ORD-LAX-SJU-ORD
ORD-HNL (Surface HNL-LAX)LAX-ORD
ORD-LAX-LHR-DXB-LHR-HKG-SIN

This is approx, 63,000 status miles (+ 5200 miles for surface segments)

This is lot of flying in a month's period.

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Old Dec 7, 2003 | 8:28 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by prudentbear:

(Surface DRW-SYD; can I purchase this extra segment??)
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No, as you already have 20 segments. However, you can buy a separate Red e-Deal ticket on QF for A$231 (about US$166 at current rates but by next year probably more).
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Old Dec 8, 2003 | 1:30 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by prudentbear:
..AKL-MEL-PER-BNE-DRW
(Surface DRW-SYD; can I purchase this extra segment??)..</font>
As above purchase a ticket on Qantas or Virgin Blue or take the train
Can get off the train at Alice and go out to Ulura / Ayres Rock for a few days

Another idea:-
AKL-MEL-PER-BNE-DRW 7341 miles
AKL-BNE-PER-DRW-ADL 6941 miles
AKL-BNE-PER-DRW-BNE 7089 miles

This gets you to Adelaide so you only have to purchase ADL-SYD
Darwin has been an expensive place to get to / from
ADL-MEL-SYD-BNE is the main routes in Aust, has Virgin in competition so is less expensive and more frequent flights
Also MEL/SYD-PER is usually less expensive than MEL/SYD-DRW and I think has a more frequent service.
There is also (or will be) as CBR (Canberra)-PER flight

(AKL-BNE-PER-DRW-BNE added )



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Old Dec 9, 2003 | 9:22 pm
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Thanks again ExMO and Mwenenzi...

Regarding SWP segment - I chose AKL-MEL as my first segment because HKG-AKL arrives in AKL around 1PM and I can connect to MEL flight around 4 PM. AKL-BNE will force me to spend a night in AKL.

I think this leads to the real question - I am flying in AKL on Monday and leave SYD on Sunday. What cities and locations in Austalia do you recommend? I was planning 2 nights each in BNE and SYD and a night in MEL. I have never been to Australia and open to suggestions.

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Old Dec 9, 2003 | 10:12 pm
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With such a short time in Oz the time of your flights will make a big difference.
Would only spend 1 or nil nights in BNE. SYD (and the harbour area) has more attraction than BNE & MEL. If you like out door stuff spend more time in DRW. SYD-BNE-MEL-PER are just big westernised cities like many others in the world
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