One world RTW itinerary
Apr 23, 2001 | 7:01 pm
#1
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One world RTW itinerary
Hi guys,
just wanted someone to look at this itinerary for me to see if it's a valid routing. Not sure 'coz some parts I'm backtracking, etc. Anyways, since this is a mileage run, any feedback would be appreciated!
Also, I currently don't have any status with any Oneworld airline. With this trip, I think I can get emerald status easily with more than one airline. Which one should I go for?
Thanks!
BKK HKG 05-24 CX702
HKG TPE 05-25 CX450
TPE NRT 05-25 CX450
NRT HKG 05-27 CX505
HKG LHR 06-18 CX255
LHR DXB 06-18 BA107
DXB LHR 06-19 BA106
LHR HEL 06-19 BA794
HEL LHR 06-20 BA795
LHR LAX 06-23 BA269
LAX BOS 06-24 AA12
BOS JFK 08-02 AA5002
JFK YVR 08-02 CX889
YVR JFK 08-03 CX888
JFK SCL 08-03 LA533
SCL EZE 08-04 LA533
EZE SCL 08-05 LA420
SCL PPT 08-05 LA833
PPT SCL 08-06 LA834
SCL LAX 08-06 LA600
LAX MIA 08-07 AA911
MIA LAX 08-09 AA912
LAX AKL 08-09 QF26
AKL SYD 08-12 QF116
SYD AYQ 08-12 QF412
AYQ PER 08-13 QF923
PER SYD 08-13 QF566
SYD HKG 08-16 CX110
HKG BKK 08-17 CX751
just wanted someone to look at this itinerary for me to see if it's a valid routing. Not sure 'coz some parts I'm backtracking, etc. Anyways, since this is a mileage run, any feedback would be appreciated!
Also, I currently don't have any status with any Oneworld airline. With this trip, I think I can get emerald status easily with more than one airline. Which one should I go for?
Thanks!
BKK HKG 05-24 CX702
HKG TPE 05-25 CX450
TPE NRT 05-25 CX450
NRT HKG 05-27 CX505
HKG LHR 06-18 CX255
LHR DXB 06-18 BA107
DXB LHR 06-19 BA106
LHR HEL 06-19 BA794
HEL LHR 06-20 BA795
LHR LAX 06-23 BA269
LAX BOS 06-24 AA12
BOS JFK 08-02 AA5002
JFK YVR 08-02 CX889
YVR JFK 08-03 CX888
JFK SCL 08-03 LA533
SCL EZE 08-04 LA533
EZE SCL 08-05 LA420
SCL PPT 08-05 LA833
PPT SCL 08-06 LA834
SCL LAX 08-06 LA600
LAX MIA 08-07 AA911
MIA LAX 08-09 AA912
LAX AKL 08-09 QF26
AKL SYD 08-12 QF116
SYD AYQ 08-12 QF412
AYQ PER 08-13 QF923
PER SYD 08-13 QF566
SYD HKG 08-16 CX110
HKG BKK 08-17 CX751
Apr 23, 2001 | 7:35 pm
#2
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Wow very impressive!!!
I will be in HKG the night you arrive from NRT. Only problem I can find is you are only permitted 1 transcontinental flight in North America. You have 5. Also CX releases 0 seats on the JFK - YVR segments in A class so w/o status you have little chance of anyhing but standby.
Suggestion to increase miles are to consider the DFW - ANC flight. It does not count as a transcontinental, but it is also a 757 so no sleeper seats. You might also consider going to Baku instead of HEL to maximize miles and you get a Club World flight. One last mileage maximizer is to fly: Asia - OZ - Europe (via Asia) - North America - South America - North America - Asia. Is is permitted under the rules.
One Cost savings idea is to start in SEL which is cheaper than BKK for first class tickets.
Also put everything in AA, take the Plat Challenge, convert upgrades and you will have close to 250,000 miles and 16 VIP OWs when it is all over!!
Best Deal on the planet IMHO!!
good luck,
rich
I will be in HKG the night you arrive from NRT. Only problem I can find is you are only permitted 1 transcontinental flight in North America. You have 5. Also CX releases 0 seats on the JFK - YVR segments in A class so w/o status you have little chance of anyhing but standby.
Suggestion to increase miles are to consider the DFW - ANC flight. It does not count as a transcontinental, but it is also a 757 so no sleeper seats. You might also consider going to Baku instead of HEL to maximize miles and you get a Club World flight. One last mileage maximizer is to fly: Asia - OZ - Europe (via Asia) - North America - South America - North America - Asia. Is is permitted under the rules.
One Cost savings idea is to start in SEL which is cheaper than BKK for first class tickets.
Also put everything in AA, take the Plat Challenge, convert upgrades and you will have close to 250,000 miles and 16 VIP OWs when it is all over!!
Best Deal on the planet IMHO!!
good luck,
rich
Apr 23, 2001 | 9:14 pm
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Ah.. I did not know that only 1 transcon is allowed. Didn't see that in the OWE rules page. Can you point me to where it states that? Unfortunately, my schedule only allows me to fly Asia-Europe-NA-SA-OZ-Asia.
Also, I'm debating putting my miles in AA or BA. I already have an account with CX, but it's only a green card. I think for me, BA emerald status benefits me more as I can then use the AA Flagship lounges in the future even if I travel on domestic flights.
Also, I'm debating putting my miles in AA or BA. I already have an account with CX, but it's only a green card. I think for me, BA emerald status benefits me more as I can then use the AA Flagship lounges in the future even if I travel on domestic flights.
Apr 23, 2001 | 10:18 pm
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tfung, if you are starting in Asia, I think you can only allowed one stopover. You have to jump from NRT to LHR. Not sure if this rule is still enforced, though.
The N. America-one-transcon rule was there when I made a booking late last year, too.
AA will comp you to Plat if you are UA1K. Then you get double the miles. I would also recommend AA if you are interested in earning miles and quick status. If CX, it's pretty hard to attain top-tier in the first year. The counter is reset to zero when you hit silver, and it is reset again when you hit gold. I can't comment on BA.
The N. America-one-transcon rule was there when I made a booking late last year, too.
AA will comp you to Plat if you are UA1K. Then you get double the miles. I would also recommend AA if you are interested in earning miles and quick status. If CX, it's pretty hard to attain top-tier in the first year. The counter is reset to zero when you hit silver, and it is reset again when you hit gold. I can't comment on BA.
Apr 23, 2001 | 10:41 pm
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I believe PPT is in SWP so that may also be a snag.
As for the NRT stop, as long as you make it less than 24 hours you should be OK. You seem to have no more than 48 hours there.
Also, HKG-TPE-NRT is only 19 mles further than HKG-NRT. If you take out one segs and use it elsewhere, it would benefit you more.
Chris
[This message has been edited by ChrisMoss7 (edited 04-23-2001).]
As for the NRT stop, as long as you make it less than 24 hours you should be OK. You seem to have no more than 48 hours there.
Also, HKG-TPE-NRT is only 19 mles further than HKG-NRT. If you take out one segs and use it elsewhere, it would benefit you more.
Chris
[This message has been edited by ChrisMoss7 (edited 04-23-2001).]
Apr 23, 2001 | 11:47 pm
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I would probably have to research on the one transcon rule. Still don't see it in the fewmiles rule pages. As for PPT, I think I'm going to argue with oneworld for that. Since Qantas only serves PPT through a co-share, it's technicaly impossible now to fly there with the OWE, other than using Lan Chile. And on top of that, to go anywhere from there, you have to backtrack back to South America, since you can no longer fly to Australia. What do you guys think? A valid arguement?
With the FF status thing, I still don't know which program is ideal. Since I'm already a UA 1K, I highly doubt I'll fly AA that much on domestic US routes, but is their program the best? I guess I will be able to accure the most miles with them, but I'm troubled by the fact that you can't use their lounges in the US even if you have their EXP status. Can someone also tell me if I have emerald status, am I eligable to use any F lounge only when I'm travelling with oneworld? or can I use them when flying a non partner airline?
Thanks so much
Terence
With the FF status thing, I still don't know which program is ideal. Since I'm already a UA 1K, I highly doubt I'll fly AA that much on domestic US routes, but is their program the best? I guess I will be able to accure the most miles with them, but I'm troubled by the fact that you can't use their lounges in the US even if you have their EXP status. Can someone also tell me if I have emerald status, am I eligable to use any F lounge only when I'm travelling with oneworld? or can I use them when flying a non partner airline?
Thanks so much
Terence
Apr 24, 2001 | 1:37 am
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Originally posted by tfung:
Can someone also tell me if I have emerald status, am I eligable to use any F lounge only when I'm travelling with oneworld? or can I use them when flying a non partner airline?
Can someone also tell me if I have emerald status, am I eligable to use any F lounge only when I'm travelling with oneworld? or can I use them when flying a non partner airline?
If your concern is only status, AY may be a good option. It's valid, I think, for 2 years, if you make it to the top tier.
But if you fly UA on U.S. domestics mostly, then ....
AA's program is one of the most generous if you fly mostly international. Effectively, 200% bonus if you are Plat. or higher, with e-upgrade exchanges. LH SEN may be more generous if you exclusively fly first. But with LH their miles do not bring in values, in my view. With AA, you can fly JL first class to HKG from N. America. (AA first class to a JL gateway in N. America). With LH, you need 180,000 to do the same with ... uh ... UA. NH awards are limited to Japan, I think, with LH.
There are also continent-specific rules, beware.
I would just ask a BKK agent to fax all the rules.
Just my 2 cents.
[This message has been edited by Chiangi (edited 04-24-2001).]
Apr 24, 2001 | 4:29 am
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Originally posted by Chiangi:
Only oneworld, as far as I know. CX's Diamond lets you use the buz. lounge when flying a non-oneworld carrier. But I think this is limited to The Wing in HKG.
Only oneworld, as far as I know. CX's Diamond lets you use the buz. lounge when flying a non-oneworld carrier. But I think this is limited to The Wing in HKG.
and I think BA Gold (also oneworld Emerald) also gets you into BA lounges (even F lounges I think) no matter what airline you are flying...I assume this applies only to BA departure lounges, not arrivals ??
Apr 24, 2001 | 7:40 am
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You have another person saying that there is only one transcon flight. 
And I dont think you will win PPT for two big reasons. First, there are a lot of places like this. AUA and CUR for two examples. You can only get to them via MIA or SJU (mostly), but both are part of South America. And, I can come close to guaranteeing that you wont get a seat on either the IPC or PPT flight from Lan Chile. They are ultra stingy with them. No A,D, or M available 6 months ahead, 3 months ahead, 1 month ahead, or a week ahead. I kept checking to see if they would free up availability as the flight got closer, but no dice. And someone else pointed out the problem with the number of Asian stops.
I am looking at this and dont really know why you are so insistant on PPT anyway, other than miles, since it doesnt look like you have any intention of staying there. If you plan right, you can do a one day stopover in CCS, almost get the same number of miles (possibly more, given that I doubt you will get a ticket to IPC in A if at all, whereas on the CCS flight, there probably wont be a problem).
And I dont think you will win PPT for two big reasons. First, there are a lot of places like this. AUA and CUR for two examples. You can only get to them via MIA or SJU (mostly), but both are part of South America. And, I can come close to guaranteeing that you wont get a seat on either the IPC or PPT flight from Lan Chile. They are ultra stingy with them. No A,D, or M available 6 months ahead, 3 months ahead, 1 month ahead, or a week ahead. I kept checking to see if they would free up availability as the flight got closer, but no dice. And someone else pointed out the problem with the number of Asian stops. I am looking at this and dont really know why you are so insistant on PPT anyway, other than miles, since it doesnt look like you have any intention of staying there. If you plan right, you can do a one day stopover in CCS, almost get the same number of miles (possibly more, given that I doubt you will get a ticket to IPC in A if at all, whereas on the CCS flight, there probably wont be a problem).
Apr 24, 2001 | 8:02 am
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0. the 3rd to confirm you the transcont rule. DFW-ANC only operates in summer, but it should be fine for you.
1. with either BA or CX, you can use the repsective airline's lounge WHATEVER airline you fly
2. if you are flying F, you should be able to get BA Gold and probably plus AA Plt. (the better option is AA EXPLT + BA Silver, you can go to all AC but not the FL -- by all means get the AA PLT comp or challenge first, when you have surplus mile for AA EXPLT, put all BA flights into AA, not also that you have only one choice of FFP for your transatlantic flight, i prefer BA's bed) Otherwise AA would be my preference, since it is a much better program than BA (unless you live on the west coast, on a BA port and want to travel with award ticket to Europe).
e.g., i can redeem CX award on BA only from CX ports, but with AA they provide you with AA connection from any city. same for redeeming AA reward to Europe.
since you are also in Boston, i would suggest you get AA EXPLT first, and then BA Silver (which is very easy to get, LHR-SFO on F get you 240 points, which is >1/3 towards silver)
[This message has been edited by pegasus8228 (edited 04-24-2001).]
1. with either BA or CX, you can use the repsective airline's lounge WHATEVER airline you fly
2. if you are flying F, you should be able to get BA Gold and probably plus AA Plt. (the better option is AA EXPLT + BA Silver, you can go to all AC but not the FL -- by all means get the AA PLT comp or challenge first, when you have surplus mile for AA EXPLT, put all BA flights into AA, not also that you have only one choice of FFP for your transatlantic flight, i prefer BA's bed) Otherwise AA would be my preference, since it is a much better program than BA (unless you live on the west coast, on a BA port and want to travel with award ticket to Europe).
e.g., i can redeem CX award on BA only from CX ports, but with AA they provide you with AA connection from any city. same for redeeming AA reward to Europe.
since you are also in Boston, i would suggest you get AA EXPLT first, and then BA Silver (which is very easy to get, LHR-SFO on F get you 240 points, which is >1/3 towards silver)
[This message has been edited by pegasus8228 (edited 04-24-2001).]
Apr 24, 2001 | 9:27 am
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I suggest focusing all of your miles on the airline you fly the most, unless that is CX. I've heard a lot of complaints about the CX mileage program but can't speak of it first hand.
I don't see the benefit to spreading status around different airlines as it is hard to maintain status on more than one airline. The mileage doubling is so important...
I don't see the benefit to spreading status around different airlines as it is hard to maintain status on more than one airline. The mileage doubling is so important...
Apr 24, 2001 | 12:49 pm
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Hi guys,
thanks for all the great feedback and comments! Really appreciate it. Anyways, I revised my itinerary a little, but I left the PPT in. I'm still going to try to argue my way through it. Hopefully the agents at BKK will overlook it and think it's South America.. hehe.. Anyways, again, any feedback on this new one would be great.
BKK HKG x 05-24 CX702
HKG TPE x 05-25 CX450
TPE NRT 05-25 CX450
NRT HKG 05-27 CX505
HKG LHR x 06-18 CX255
LHR DXB 06-18 BA107
DXB LHR x 06-19 BA106
LHR HEL 06-19 BA794
HEL LHR 06-20 BA795
LHR YVR x 06-23 BA85
YVR JFK x 06-24 CX888
JFK BOS 06-24 AA211
JFK SCL x 08-03 LA533
SCL EZE 08-04 LA533
EZE SCL x 08-05 LA420
SCL PPT 08-05 LA833
PPT SCL x 08-06 LA834
SCL MIA x 08-06 LA500
MIA DFW x 08-07 AA908
DFW LAX 08-07 AA2413
LAX ORD 08-08 AA1238
ORD LAX x 08-09 AA873
LAX AKL 08-09 QF26
AKL SYD x 08-12 QF116
SYD AYQ 08-12 QF412
AYQ PER x 08-13 QF923
PER SYD 08-13 QF566
SYD HKG x 08-16 CX110
HKG BKK 08-17 CX751
(x=transit)
[This message has been edited by tfung (edited 04-24-2001).]
thanks for all the great feedback and comments! Really appreciate it. Anyways, I revised my itinerary a little, but I left the PPT in. I'm still going to try to argue my way through it. Hopefully the agents at BKK will overlook it and think it's South America.. hehe.. Anyways, again, any feedback on this new one would be great.
BKK HKG x 05-24 CX702
HKG TPE x 05-25 CX450
TPE NRT 05-25 CX450
NRT HKG 05-27 CX505
HKG LHR x 06-18 CX255
LHR DXB 06-18 BA107
DXB LHR x 06-19 BA106
LHR HEL 06-19 BA794
HEL LHR 06-20 BA795
LHR YVR x 06-23 BA85
YVR JFK x 06-24 CX888
JFK BOS 06-24 AA211
JFK SCL x 08-03 LA533
SCL EZE 08-04 LA533
EZE SCL x 08-05 LA420
SCL PPT 08-05 LA833
PPT SCL x 08-06 LA834
SCL MIA x 08-06 LA500
MIA DFW x 08-07 AA908
DFW LAX 08-07 AA2413
LAX ORD 08-08 AA1238
ORD LAX x 08-09 AA873
LAX AKL 08-09 QF26
AKL SYD x 08-12 QF116
SYD AYQ 08-12 QF412
AYQ PER x 08-13 QF923
PER SYD 08-13 QF566
SYD HKG x 08-16 CX110
HKG BKK 08-17 CX751
(x=transit)
[This message has been edited by tfung (edited 04-24-2001).]
Apr 24, 2001 | 5:46 pm
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Wow. 43,000 miles in two weeks. God bless you, buddy. 
Read this thread. Specifically what Guy Betsy says (5th post down).
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum83/HTML/000280.html
It sounds to me like your Asian parts are still technically a problem. These rules always confused me, but when I spoke to the AARTW desk with mine when I was initially considering exBKK or exSEL, they did confirm these rules. Maybe like Rich, you can sneak it through. Also, I assume you know that you are missing a bos-jfk segment and are planning to arrange your own transport.
Read this thread. Specifically what Guy Betsy says (5th post down).
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum83/HTML/000280.html
It sounds to me like your Asian parts are still technically a problem. These rules always confused me, but when I spoke to the AARTW desk with mine when I was initially considering exBKK or exSEL, they did confirm these rules. Maybe like Rich, you can sneak it through. Also, I assume you know that you are missing a bos-jfk segment and are planning to arrange your own transport.
Apr 24, 2001 | 10:12 pm
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I believe that the rule that darren directs you to (posted by Guy Betsy) has been changed. This one used to give me a lot of trouble. However, I just completed (1 month ago) a 1world rtw ex-HKG. I proceeded directly from HKG to LAX, however, upon my return to Asia, my itinerary was booked as follows:
LHR-BKK(stopover 1)-SIN-CGK(stopover2)-HKG
Moreover, I then booked & ticketed another oneworld explorer, with the following itinerary: BKK-HKG(transit)-North America-Europe-Africa-HKG(stopover 1)-DPS(stopover 2)-HKG(transit)-BKK
I'm trying to find my current copy of the rules, but my recollection is the troublesome rules cited by Guy Betsy have been changed since his original post last July.
LHR-BKK(stopover 1)-SIN-CGK(stopover2)-HKG
Moreover, I then booked & ticketed another oneworld explorer, with the following itinerary: BKK-HKG(transit)-North America-Europe-Africa-HKG(stopover 1)-DPS(stopover 2)-HKG(transit)-BKK
I'm trying to find my current copy of the rules, but my recollection is the troublesome rules cited by Guy Betsy have been changed since his original post last July.