Creative Intra-China routing options on OW?
Aug 5, 2015 | 9:30 pm
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Creative Intra-China routing options on OW?
Routing in Asia with AA miles / OW can be tricky due to limited hub options (HKG, NRT, KUL). I'm curious about valid routings here - specifically for Chengdu to Shanghai.
CTU-HKG-PVG (valid, A2 to A2 price)
CTU-HKG-NRT-PVG (valid? A2-A1? A2-A2?)
CTU-KUL-PVG (valid? A2-A2)
CTU-HKG-PVG (valid, A2 to A2 price)
CTU-HKG-NRT-PVG (valid? A2-A1? A2-A2?)
CTU-KUL-PVG (valid? A2-A2)
Aug 5, 2015 | 9:37 pm
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Intra-A2 awards do not permit any third-zone transit.
CTU-HKG-PVG and CTU-KUL-PVG might or might not be valid, single-award routings, depending on whether CX and MH have published through-fares from CTU to PVG.
Intra-A2 awards do not permit any third-zone transit.
CTU-HKG-PVG and CTU-KUL-PVG might or might not be valid, single-award routings, depending on whether CX and MH have published through-fares from CTU to PVG.
Aug 6, 2015 | 12:25 am
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You'd be insane to intentionally inject HKG into a CTU-SHA flight (unless you take a true stopover).
Aug 6, 2015 | 1:01 am
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Aug 8, 2015 | 9:21 pm
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Ended up with Dragonair biz via HKG. No published routing CTU-HKG-PVG so it would've been 2x separate AA awards. Ended up booking using avios for 30k +$26. A330s on both segments with fantastic biz class service for 2+hr flights. Considered CZ/MU biz briefly since they have direct flights for only 17.5k DL in J but...
As a OW emerald it's hard to argue with a Cabana and a stop at the Wing's champagne bar
As a OW emerald it's hard to argue with a Cabana and a stop at the Wing's champagne bar
Aug 8, 2015 | 10:06 pm
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Ended up with Dragonair biz via HKG. No published routing CTU-HKG-PVG so it would've been 2x separate AA awards. Ended up booking using avios for 30k +$26. A330s on both segments with fantastic biz class service for 2+hr flights. Considered CZ/MU biz briefly since they have direct flights for only 17.5k DL in J but...
As a OW emerald it's hard to argue with a Cabana and a stop at the Wing's champagne bar
As a OW emerald it's hard to argue with a Cabana and a stop at the Wing's champagne bar
ETA: With due respect to the OP, I feel compelled to make my point stronger. While CTU-SHA is just as likely to be delayed for 5 hours as HKG-SHA, inserting HK into the equation is just plain silly. Those of you who don't reside in Asia may not appreciate the extent to which 5 hour delays suck (and, we usually don't have the luxury of waiting them out in lounges). For 30k BA points, it's possible to fetch 6 segments between BOS and DCA.
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Aug 8, 2015 | 11:52 pm
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Ended up with Dragonair biz via HKG. No published routing CTU-HKG-PVG so it would've been 2x separate AA awards. Ended up booking using avios for 30k +$26. A330s on both segments with fantastic biz class service for 2+hr flights. Considered CZ/MU biz briefly since they have direct flights for only 17.5k DL in J but...
As a OW emerald it's hard to argue with a Cabana and a stop at the Wing's champagne bar
As a OW emerald it's hard to argue with a Cabana and a stop at the Wing's champagne bar
You must like the Regional J seat more than I - it's something I don't look forward to sitting on for potentially eight hours on the ground for plus the time in the sky - it's just a glorified Premium Economy seat.
Tarmac rule does not exist in HK/PRC. Since takeoff priority on HK/PRC is based on doors close they will herd everyone on board and keep them there. Hence we have a few cases where pax have taken over (Occupied?) the aircraft to force it back to gate but those will be met by armed intervention.
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Aug 9, 2015 | 10:34 am
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Creative Intra-China routing options on OW?
Perhaps the most ridiculous use of miles I've ever seen. Definitely the most ridiculous flight routing. Enjoy the lounge in HK, you'll get tired of it after the first 6 hours....trust me.
Aug 9, 2015 | 11:41 am
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And as far as the op's routing. Get a cheap ticket from CTU-PVG on MU, CA, or CZ. You're going to use every four letter word in the book if your flight gets delayed from HKG to PVG. YOU'RE GOING TO REGRET IT. All I heard form the lounge was...flight to PVG has been delayed. new departure time is xxx
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Aug 9, 2015 | 9:21 pm
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Domestic J on both KA flights was a very nice A330 angled lie flat biz. Service onboard was also great. Had about 3 hours in HKG which was just enough to enjoy Cabana + Haven + champagne bar. So... I think it was an absolutely perfect leisure routing to enjoy a long afternoon with good company 
I know that 30k avios = 6x short hops, *but* it's much harder to get value booking solid J products than it used to be since they devalued redemptions for flights >2000 miles and many decent products incur ridiculous fuel surcharges on top of that (QR/MH/UL/BA).
Nonstop flights were $200 (local/budget) - $270 (MU/CZ) so this may be the disconnect here. I would've taken a $100 nonstop hands down ^
I know that 30k avios = 6x short hops, *but* it's much harder to get value booking solid J products than it used to be since they devalued redemptions for flights >2000 miles and many decent products incur ridiculous fuel surcharges on top of that (QR/MH/UL/BA).
Nonstop flights were $200 (local/budget) - $270 (MU/CZ) so this may be the disconnect here. I would've taken a $100 nonstop hands down ^
Aug 9, 2015 | 10:05 pm
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http://www.ausbt.com.au/dragonair-up...-pacific-seats
"Borrows" dosn't mean it is (or ever was) a lie flat. It's not.
This is a lie flat for reference http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2823/1...818ecd37_c.jpg
The hybrid design of the new business class seat borrows some elements from an angled lie-flat or ‘sloping sleeper’ seat and weaves them into the more conventional form of a recliner....
The seat features independent electronic controls for recline and the legrest, and articulates into a “lazy-Z” position where your feet are supported by the extra-large reclining legrest, which rises up to support your legs.
The seat features independent electronic controls for recline and the legrest, and articulates into a “lazy-Z” position where your feet are supported by the extra-large reclining legrest, which rises up to support your legs.
This is a lie flat for reference http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2823/1...818ecd37_c.jpg
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Aug 9, 2015 | 10:14 pm
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It does NOT cost $200 to fly from ctu to sha. In fact, even f only requires $180 (I searched for flights leaving tomorrow).
I'm happy to hear that you made it to Shanghai, but remain in "the stupidest redemption ever" camp.
I'm happy to hear that you made it to Shanghai, but remain in "the stupidest redemption ever" camp.
Aug 9, 2015 | 10:39 pm
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Good catch on it not being an angled lie flat - didn't bother to adjust and just assumed since it was a "hard shell" - still a top notch domestic J seat.
Aug 9, 2015 | 10:54 pm
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7500 eco redemptions for CTU-HKG & HKG-PVG weren't available or I would've considered those over biz.
I understand the preference for nonstop flights within this part of asia and I'm not arguing that this was a value redemption. The title of the thread is "Creative Intra-China routing options on OW" not "Cheapest domestic china flights with solid on time performance" so I find the random flaming / "stupidest" / "most ridiculous" responses very odd.
I understand the preference for nonstop flights within this part of asia and I'm not arguing that this was a value redemption. The title of the thread is "Creative Intra-China routing options on OW" not "Cheapest domestic china flights with solid on time performance" so I find the random flaming / "stupidest" / "most ridiculous" responses very odd.