OneWorld Visit Pass
Mar 22, 2015 | 1:41 am
#1
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Posts: 855
OneWorld Visit Pass
When I called CX to enquire about the Visit Pass fares, I was told that this was a very unusual fare product and they usually do not have any enquiries for it. After receiving the fare quote, I think I know why - the cost of each of the 4 sectors was almost the fare of all 4 sectors if I booked it myself using the airline website. Granted, that is the cheapest fare that is non-refundable, no-changeable non-endorsable, non-everything. But the Visit Pass conditions are equally restrictive and if I was not misinformed, the change fee is costs almost as much as a a new ticket.
Is there any reason why this product still exists?
Is there any reason why this product still exists?
Mar 22, 2015 | 2:24 am
#2
Join Date: May 2003
Programs: OW Emerald
Posts: 1,452
When I called CX to enquire about the Visit Pass fares, I was told that this was a very unusual fare product and they usually do not have any enquiries for it. After receiving the fare quote, I think I know why - the cost of each of the 4 sectors was almost the fare of all 4 sectors if I booked it myself using the airline website. Granted, that is the cheapest fare that is non-refundable, no-changeable non-endorsable, non-everything. But the Visit Pass conditions are equally restrictive and if I was not misinformed, the change fee is costs almost as much as a a new ticket.
Is there any reason why this product still exists?
Is there any reason why this product still exists?
Second, some markets have high one-way prices. In those markets, a pass makes sense for people who want to hop from one place to another without backtracking. If a return trip in a given market tends to price as two one-ways, then chances are that the non-pass fares will win.
Third, the visit pass *should* be added to the PNR of the international ticket if I remember correctly, and therefore provides protection in the event a connection is missed, and any enhanced baggage allowance from the international itinerary.
Having said all that, is it a great deal? No. In most cases it is priced unattractively as you found out.
Mar 22, 2015 | 8:29 am
#3
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The visit pass isn't equally restrictive; in general, dates (not routing) can be changed fairly easily, and that flexibility can be important.
Second, some markets have high one-way prices. In those markets, a pass makes sense for people who want to hop from one place to another without backtracking. If a return trip in a given market tends to price as two one-ways, then chances are that the non-pass fares will win.
Third, the visit pass *should* be added to the PNR of the international ticket if I remember correctly, and therefore provides protection in the event a connection is missed, and any enhanced baggage allowance from the international itinerary.
Having said all that, is it a great deal? No. In most cases it is priced unattractively as you found out.
Second, some markets have high one-way prices. In those markets, a pass makes sense for people who want to hop from one place to another without backtracking. If a return trip in a given market tends to price as two one-ways, then chances are that the non-pass fares will win.
Third, the visit pass *should* be added to the PNR of the international ticket if I remember correctly, and therefore provides protection in the event a connection is missed, and any enhanced baggage allowance from the international itinerary.
Having said all that, is it a great deal? No. In most cases it is priced unattractively as you found out.
is there anywhere online I get see the fare rules in detail? it used to be available on the oneworld website a few years ago, together with the prices, but that seems to have now disappeared.
Mar 22, 2015 | 12:39 pm
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Mar 24, 2015 | 9:25 am
#6
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For the multi-continent "circle" and "explorer" passes, it is possible to find the fare rules in expertflyer by putting the same origin and destination.
For the visit passes, it might be possible to look up by fare basis (e.g. MASAPASS*, * being number of coupons) but expertflyer doesn't allow a fare basis that long to be entered.
Apr 2, 2015 | 4:59 am
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When I called CX to enquire about the Visit Pass fares, I was told that this was a very unusual fare product and they usually do not have any enquiries for it. After receiving the fare quote, I think I know why - the cost of each of the 4 sectors was almost the fare of all 4 sectors if I booked it myself using the airline website. Granted, that is the cheapest fare that is non-refundable, no-changeable non-endorsable, non-everything. But the Visit Pass conditions are equally restrictive and if I was not misinformed, the change fee is costs almost as much as a a new ticket.
Is there any reason why this product still exists?
Is there any reason why this product still exists?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24588121-post5.html
Apr 2, 2015 | 5:24 am
#9
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While I can't guarantee this, most of the visit products book into economy fare classes that are much "higher" than what is normally offered on the airline's website.
The real trick is to use the products for segments that are "over-priced" in a normal context. As my use has been USA - the segments that come to mind (historical context) are BNA-DCA and TUS-DFW
Happy wandering
Fred
The real trick is to use the products for segments that are "over-priced" in a normal context. As my use has been USA - the segments that come to mind (historical context) are BNA-DCA and TUS-DFW
Happy wandering
Fred
Apr 2, 2015 | 10:11 pm
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Which continent are you looking at? I will try to get it for you.
May 11, 2015 | 4:47 pm
#12
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** universal star **
u star id - one visit europe pass
0s oneworld visit europe pass
1n .
2n overview
3n ---------
4n one visit europe pass - tariff - oneworld visit europe
5n pass
6n .
7n .
8n universal sabre star reference
9n -------------------------------
10n .
11n data in this file is contained in the universal sabre
12n star: N*/one visit europe pass and n*/one visit europe
13n pass p2.
14n .
15n .
16n related information
17n --------------------
18n .
19n . * for information on this fare please call the
20n . International department
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21n .
22n fare basis
23n -----------
24n .
25n ------------------------------------------------------
26n i passenger type i fare basis i
27n ------------------------------------------------------
28n i adult i leurpasx i
29n ------------------------------------------------------
30n i child i leurpaschx i
31n ------------------------------------------------------
32n i infant i leurpasinx i
33n ------------------------------------------------------
34n . * x equals the number of flight coupons.
35n .
36n booking code
37n -------------
38n .
39n . * l all carriers
40n .
41n eligibility
42n ------------
43n .
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44n . * only available to overseas originating
45n . Passengers in conjunction with travel on oneworld
46n . Carriers to/via europe. /aa/ab/ay/ba/cx/ec/hg/ib/j
47n . J/jl/ka/la/lp/mh/qf/qr/rj/s7/ul/us/xl/4m/
48n . * passengers may be required to present proof of
49n . Residence and international ticket at check-in
50n . For each flight. Failure to produce will result
51n . In denied boarding.
52n . * only available to non-residents of europe
53n . /except residents of russia -west of the urals/
54n . * valid only for sales outside europe.
55n . * applicable to industry discount fares/passes
56n . And travel agent fares.
57n . * copies of the following documentation must be
58n . Attached to the auditors coupon of the reissued
59n . Ticket /effective with tickets issued on/after
60n . April 1, 2008/.
61n . * the identity page of the passengers*s
62n . Passport
63n . Or evidence of foreign residency.
64n . * only one pass permitted per passenger
65n . /effective with tickets issued on/after april 1,
66n . 2008/.
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67n .
68n .
69n application
70n ------------
71n .
72n . 1. Valid for travel within europe. See
73n . Definition of europe
74n . .
75n . Below for this fare only. For the purpose of
76n . This fare , flights between russia in europe and
77n . Russia in asia are considered intercontinental.
78n . 2. Rt/ct/soj/doj economy travel on
79n . Ab/ay/ba/hg/ib/la/qr/s7 operated direct flight
80n . And through plane service including codeshares
81n . Operated only by these carriers and including
82n . Their affiliates. View -one affiliates /n*/one
83n . Affiliates/
84n . * exception - ib flight range for vueling
85n . /5000-5999/ is excluded from participation
86n . In
87n . Visit europe.
88n . 3. Travel on the last international sector in to
89n . Europe and the first intercontinental sector from
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90n . Europe must be operated and marketed, or marketed
91n . By a oneworld carrier. /aa/ab/ay/ba/cx/ec/ib/jj/jl
92n . /ka/la/mh/qf/qr/rj/s7/ul/us/xl/4m/
93n . 4. Open jaws are permitted at origin/destination.
94n . Intermediate surface segments are permitted
95n . 5. For the purpose of this fare, europe may be
96n . Considered as one country.
97n .
98n .
99n reservations/ticketing
100n -----------------------
101n .
102n . 1. Tickets for the entire journey must be
103n . Purchased/issued in the country of origin of
104n . International travel prior to departure. A
105n . Separate oneworld visit europe ticket must be
106n . Issued and cross-referenced to the
107n . Intercontinental ticket.
108n . 2. Simultaneous reservations and ticketing are
109n . Required for the first segment prior to departure
110n . From country of origin.
111n . 3. Subsequent segments may be left open.
112n . 4. Reservations for open segments may be made at
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113n . Any time prior to the day of departure on the
114n . Segment concerned.
115n . * note: For vcr coupons to show the correct
116n . Coupon status of rq, open segments must be
117n . Booked
118n . Using flight numbers.
119n . Correct - ba304l 23may q lhrcdg ds1
120n . 725a
121n . 940a
122n . Incorrect - baopenl 23may q lhrcdg ds1
123n . 5. Minimum purchase 2 sectors /coupons/ required
124n . Prior to arrival in europe, with no maximum limit.
125n . * additional sectors may be purchased upon
126n . Arrival, with no maximum limit
127n . 6. No maximum number of segments.
128n . 7. Waitlist/standby not permitted
129n . 8. Identify fares as visit europe.
130n . 9. Tickets must be issued on the stock of aa/ab/ay
131n . /ba/cx/ib/jj/jl/ka/la/lp/mh/qf/qr/rj/s7/ul/us/xl/4
132n . M
133n . 10. Payment by pta/mco/mpd/gtr not permitted.
134n . 11. Sabre will not auto-price.
135n .
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136n .
137n venezuela ticketing restriction
138n --------------------------------
139n .
140n ticketing cannot take place in venezuela since any
141n venezuela ticket issuance dictates travel must
142n originate in venezuela. See file country restriction
143n /n*country restriction/ for details.
144n .
145n .
146n endorsement box
147n ----------------
148n .
149n .
150n . Valid only ay/ab/ba/hg/ib/la/qr/s7 only.
151n . Nonref/visit europe
152n .
153n .
154n minimum stay
155n -------------
156n .
157n . * none
158n .
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159n maximum stay
160n -------------
161n .
162n . * all travel must be completed within the
163n . Validity of the international ticket.
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** universal star **
u star id - one visit europe pass p2
0s oneworld visit europe pass
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2n fares
3n ------
4n .
5n . 1. Fares are calculated per segment as specified
6n . Below and are exclusive of any taxes and
7n . Passenger charges which must be collected
8n . Separately.
9n . 2. Journeys may be within a single zone or a
10n . Combination of two or more.
11n . 3. A minimum purchase of 2 sectors is required
12n . With no maximum limit.
13n . 4. These airpass tickets should be issued in the
14n . Currency of the intercontinental ticket as stated
15n . Below.
16n sector length based on tpm miles:
17n all amounts in eur
18n .
19n ------------------------------------------------------
20n i zone 1 i 55.00 i
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21n i 0- 199 miles i i
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23n i zone 2 i 80.00 i
24n i 200- 399 miles i i
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26n i zone 3 i 115.00 i
27n i 400- 899 miles i i
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29n i zone 4 i 140.00 i
30n i 900- 1199 miles i i
31n ------------------------------------------------------
32n i zone 5 i 180.00 i
33n i 1200- 1999 miles i i
34n ------------------------------------------------------
35n i zone 6 i 240.00 i
36n i 2000 plus miles i i
37n ------------------------------------------------------
38n -------------------------------------------------------
39n . Exception
40n the amounts in the fare calculation line will be shown
41n in nuc not in usd. Take the eur amount for each
42n sector and convert to nuc. This is also true of those
43n countries that normally do not use eur, i.e. United
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44n kingdom /gbp/ and switzerland /chf/. The base fare
45n will be in eur, the same currency as the voc fare is
46n published in, regardless of the country of origin.
47n .
48n .
49n routing
50n --------
51n .
52n . * individual segments may not be traveled more
53n . Than once in each direction.
54n . * transfers permitted at ticketed points only
55n .
56n stopovers
57n ----------
58n .
59n . * permitted at ticketed points only
60n .
61n combinations
62n -------------
63n .
64n . * end-on-end combinations permitted within this
65n . Rule.
66n . * constructions not allowed.
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67n .
68n rebooking/rerouting
69n --------------------
70n .
71n . 1. Reservation changes and rerouting permitted at
72n . A charge of eur30.
73n . Change charge not discountable for child/infant.
74n . 2. Additional segments may be purchased, if
75n . Required, during the rerouting transaction.
76n . 3. Local service charges may apply.
77n -------------------------------------------------------
78n . Exception
79n in countries other than those where the fares are
80n specified in eur, the per transaction charge is
81n obtained by using the bsr as the time of transaction.
82n .
83n .
84n cancellation/refund
85n --------------------
86n .
87n . 1. Before departure from the intercontinental
88n . Country of origin, 50% cancellation penalty.
89n . 2. After departure from the intercontinental
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90n . Country of origin, the refund if any, is the
91n . Difference between the fare paid and the fare
92n . Traveled less 50%.
93n exception: For sales in russia for travel commencing
94n in russia, full refund if cancelled more than 24hrs
95n before departure
96n at any time, the journey may be upgraded to a normal
97n economy or business class fare without penalty. If the
98n higher fare is subsequently cancelled, the original
99n penalty will apply.
100n .
101n exception: For sales in russia for travel commencing
102n in russia, if the higher fare is subsequently
103n cancelled , the original penalty will not apply.
104n .
105n .
106n discounts
107n ----------
108n .
109n ------------------------------------------------------
110n i children i infants i
111n ------------------------------------------------------
112n i pay 75% of fare i pay 10% of fare i
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113n ------------------------------------------------------
114n . * child is defined as accompanied 2-11 years.
115n . * infant is defined as accompanied under 2years
116n . Without a seat.
117n . * if an infant reaches two years of age after
118n . Travel has commenced but before travel is
119n . Complete a full child fare ticket must be
120n . Purchased for the entire journey. If an
121n . Infant
122n . Under the age of two requires a seat, then
123n . The
124n . Full child fare will be charged.
125n . * exception: For sales in russia, for travel
126n . Commencing in russia: Infant under 2 without a
127n . Seat not permitted. A full child fare must be
128n . Purchased for the entire journey.
129n . * unaccompanied children not allowed.
130n . * no other discounts permitted.
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