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epigram Mar 22, 2015 1:41 am

OneWorld Visit Pass
 
When I called CX to enquire about the Visit Pass fares, I was told that this was a very unusual fare product and they usually do not have any enquiries for it. After receiving the fare quote, I think I know why - the cost of each of the 4 sectors was almost the fare of all 4 sectors if I booked it myself using the airline website. Granted, that is the cheapest fare that is non-refundable, no-changeable non-endorsable, non-everything. But the Visit Pass conditions are equally restrictive and if I was not misinformed, the change fee is costs almost as much as a a new ticket.

Is there any reason why this product still exists?

jridge Mar 22, 2015 2:24 am


Originally Posted by epigram (Post 24545570)
When I called CX to enquire about the Visit Pass fares, I was told that this was a very unusual fare product and they usually do not have any enquiries for it. After receiving the fare quote, I think I know why - the cost of each of the 4 sectors was almost the fare of all 4 sectors if I booked it myself using the airline website. Granted, that is the cheapest fare that is non-refundable, no-changeable non-endorsable, non-everything. But the Visit Pass conditions are equally restrictive and if I was not misinformed, the change fee is costs almost as much as a a new ticket.

Is there any reason why this product still exists?

The visit pass isn't equally restrictive; in general, dates (not routing) can be changed fairly easily, and that flexibility can be important.

Second, some markets have high one-way prices. In those markets, a pass makes sense for people who want to hop from one place to another without backtracking. If a return trip in a given market tends to price as two one-ways, then chances are that the non-pass fares will win.

Third, the visit pass *should* be added to the PNR of the international ticket if I remember correctly, and therefore provides protection in the event a connection is missed, and any enhanced baggage allowance from the international itinerary.

Having said all that, is it a great deal? No. In most cases it is priced unattractively as you found out.

epigram Mar 22, 2015 8:29 am


Originally Posted by jridge (Post 24545641)
The visit pass isn't equally restrictive; in general, dates (not routing) can be changed fairly easily, and that flexibility can be important.

Second, some markets have high one-way prices. In those markets, a pass makes sense for people who want to hop from one place to another without backtracking. If a return trip in a given market tends to price as two one-ways, then chances are that the non-pass fares will win.

Third, the visit pass *should* be added to the PNR of the international ticket if I remember correctly, and therefore provides protection in the event a connection is missed, and any enhanced baggage allowance from the international itinerary.

Having said all that, is it a great deal? No. In most cases it is priced unattractively as you found out.

thanks for the insight!

is there anywhere online I get see the fare rules in detail? it used to be available on the oneworld website a few years ago, together with the prices, but that seems to have now disappeared.

jridge Mar 22, 2015 12:39 pm


Originally Posted by epigram (Post 24546570)
is there anywhere online I get see the fare rules in detail?

Great question, but I'm not aware of any source. You can check circle fares on expertflyer, but not single-continent ones I believe.

epigram Mar 23, 2015 6:22 pm

i managed to find the rules for 2010/2011 and 2012/2013 but nothing after that. seems like demand for this product might have been dropping

jridge Mar 24, 2015 9:25 am


Originally Posted by epigram (Post 24554387)
i managed to find the rules for 2010/2011 and 2012/2013 but nothing after that. seems like demand for this product might have been dropping

The fares for these products were removed (if I recall correctly) after laws came in requiring advertised fares to include taxes. Since the taxes vary according to which countries are visited on a single- or multi-continent fare, this made compliance difficult. At least that was the stated reason (I also recall skepticism about this), and fare information is only partly related to fare rules.

For the multi-continent "circle" and "explorer" passes, it is possible to find the fare rules in expertflyer by putting the same origin and destination.

For the visit passes, it might be possible to look up by fare basis (e.g. MASAPASS*, * being number of coupons) but expertflyer doesn't allow a fare basis that long to be entered.

jbalmuth Mar 24, 2015 4:05 pm

I found the oneworld Middle East Pass rules and pricing here.

kcaluwae Apr 2, 2015 4:59 am


Originally Posted by epigram (Post 24545570)
When I called CX to enquire about the Visit Pass fares, I was told that this was a very unusual fare product and they usually do not have any enquiries for it. After receiving the fare quote, I think I know why - the cost of each of the 4 sectors was almost the fare of all 4 sectors if I booked it myself using the airline website. Granted, that is the cheapest fare that is non-refundable, no-changeable non-endorsable, non-everything. But the Visit Pass conditions are equally restrictive and if I was not misinformed, the change fee is costs almost as much as a a new ticket.

Is there any reason why this product still exists?

I recently had exactly the same experience booking a SA pass :
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24588121-post5.html

wandering_fred Apr 2, 2015 5:24 am

While I can't guarantee this, most of the visit products book into economy fare classes that are much "higher" than what is normally offered on the airline's website.

The real trick is to use the products for segments that are "over-priced" in a normal context. As my use has been USA - the segments that come to mind (historical context) are BNA-DCA and TUS-DFW

Happy wandering

Fred

ernestnywang Apr 2, 2015 10:11 pm


Originally Posted by epigram (Post 24546570)
thanks for the insight!

is there anywhere online I get see the fare rules in detail? it used to be available on the oneworld website a few years ago, together with the prices, but that seems to have now disappeared.

Which continent are you looking at? I will try to get it for you.

tboons May 8, 2015 6:34 am

anyone for visit europe pass?

ernestnywang May 11, 2015 4:47 pm


Originally Posted by tboons (Post 24784881)
anyone for visit europe pass?

Code:

                    ** universal star **                     
u star id - one visit europe pass                             
  0s oneworld visit europe pass                               
  1n .                                                         
  2n overview                                                 
  3n ---------                                                 
  4n one visit europe pass - tariff - oneworld visit europe   
  5n pass                                                     
  6n .                                                         
  7n .                                                         
  8n universal sabre star reference                           
  9n -------------------------------                           
 10n .                                                         
 11n data in this file is contained in the universal sabre     
 12n star: N*/one visit europe pass and n*/one visit europe   
 13n pass p2.                                                 
 14n .                                                         
 15n .                                                         
 16n related information                                       
 17n --------------------                                     
 18n .                                                         
 19n .  * for information on this fare please call the         
 20n .    International department‡                           
md«                                                           
 21n .                                                        ‡
 22n fare basis                                               
 23n -----------                                               
 24n .                                                         
 25n ------------------------------------------------------   
 26n i passenger type      i fare basis                  i   
 27n ------------------------------------------------------   
 28n i adult              i leurpasx                    i   
 29n ------------------------------------------------------   
 30n i child              i leurpaschx                  i   
 31n ------------------------------------------------------   
 32n i infant              i leurpasinx                  i   
 33n ------------------------------------------------------   
 34n .  * x equals the number of flight coupons.               
 35n .                                                         
 36n booking code                                             
 37n -------------                                             
 38n .                                                         
 39n .  * l all carriers                                       
 40n .                                                         
 41n eligibility                                               
 42n ------------                                             
 43n .                                                        ‡
md«                                                           
 44n .  * only available to overseas originating              ‡
 45n .    Passengers in conjunction with travel on oneworld   
 46n .    Carriers to/via europe. /aa/ab/ay/ba/cx/ec/hg/ib/j   
 47n .    J/jl/ka/la/lp/mh/qf/qr/rj/s7/ul/us/xl/4m/           
 48n .  * passengers may be required to present proof of       
 49n .    Residence and international ticket at check-in       
 50n .    For each flight. Failure to produce will result     
 51n .    In denied boarding.                                 
 52n .  * only available to non-residents of europe           
 53n .    /except residents of russia -west of the urals/     
 54n .  * valid only for sales outside europe.                 
 55n .  * applicable to industry discount fares/passes         
 56n .    And travel agent fares.                             
 57n .  * copies of the following documentation must be       
 58n .    Attached to the auditors coupon of the reissued     
 59n .    Ticket /effective with tickets issued on/after       
 60n .    April 1, 2008/.                                     
 61n .      * the identity page of the passengers*s           
 62n .    Passport                                             
 63n .        Or evidence of foreign residency.               
 64n .  * only one pass permitted per passenger               
 65n .    /effective with tickets issued on/after april 1,     
 66n .    2008/.                                              ‡
md«                                                           
 67n .                                                        ‡
 68n .                                                         
 69n application                                               
 70n ------------                                             
 71n .                                                         
 72n . 1. Valid for travel within europe.  See               
 73n .    Definition of europe                                 
 74n .    .                                                   
 75n .    Below for this fare only.  For the purpose of       
 76n .    This fare , flights between russia in europe and     
 77n .    Russia in asia are considered intercontinental.     
 78n . 2. Rt/ct/soj/doj economy travel on                     
 79n .    Ab/ay/ba/hg/ib/la/qr/s7 operated direct flight       
 80n .    And through plane service including codeshares       
 81n .    Operated only by these carriers and including       
 82n .    Their affiliates.  View -one affiliates /n*/one     
 83n .    Affiliates/                                         
 84n .      * exception - ib flight range for vueling         
 85n .        /5000-5999/ is excluded from participation     
 86n .    In                                                   
 87n .        Visit europe.                                   
 88n . 3. Travel on the last international sector in to       
 89n .    Europe and the first intercontinental sector from    ‡
md«                                                           
 90n .    Europe must be operated and marketed, or marketed    ‡
 91n .    By a oneworld carrier. /aa/ab/ay/ba/cx/ec/ib/jj/jl   
 92n .    /ka/la/mh/qf/qr/rj/s7/ul/us/xl/4m/                   
 93n . 4. Open jaws are permitted at origin/destination.       
 94n .    Intermediate surface segments are permitted         
 95n . 5. For the purpose of this fare, europe may be         
 96n .    Considered as one country.                           
 97n .                                                         
 98n .                                                         
 99n reservations/ticketing                                   
100n -----------------------                                   
101n .                                                         
102n . 1. Tickets for the entire journey must be               
103n .    Purchased/issued in the country of origin of         
104n .    International travel prior to departure. A           
105n .    Separate oneworld visit europe ticket must be       
106n .    Issued and cross-referenced to the                   
107n .    Intercontinental ticket.                             
108n . 2. Simultaneous reservations and ticketing are         
109n .    Required for the first segment prior to departure   
110n .    From country of origin.                             
111n . 3. Subsequent segments may be left open.               
112n . 4. Reservations for open segments may be made at        ‡
md«                                                           
113n .    Any time prior to the day of departure on the        ‡
114n .    Segment concerned.                                   
115n .      * note: For vcr coupons to show the correct       
116n .        Coupon status of rq, open segments must be     
117n .    Booked                                               
118n .        Using flight numbers.                           
119n .        Correct    -  ba304l  23may q lhrcdg ds1       
120n .    725a                                                 
121n .        940a                                           
122n .        Incorrect  - baopenl 23may q lhrcdg ds1         
123n . 5. Minimum purchase 2 sectors /coupons/ required       
124n .    Prior to arrival in europe, with no maximum limit.   
125n .      * additional sectors may be purchased upon       
126n .        Arrival, with no maximum limit                 
127n . 6. No maximum number of segments.                       
128n . 7. Waitlist/standby not permitted                       
129n . 8. Identify fares as visit europe.                     
130n . 9. Tickets must be issued on the stock of aa/ab/ay     
131n .    /ba/cx/ib/jj/jl/ka/la/lp/mh/qf/qr/rj/s7/ul/us/xl/4   
132n .    M                                                   
133n . 10. Payment by pta/mco/mpd/gtr not permitted.           
134n . 11. Sabre will not auto-price.                         
135n .                                                        ‡
md«                                                           
136n .                                                        ‡
137n venezuela ticketing restriction                           
138n --------------------------------                         
139n .                                                         
140n ticketing cannot take place in venezuela since any       
141n venezuela ticket issuance dictates travel must           
142n originate in venezuela. See file country restriction     
143n /n*country restriction/  for details.                     
144n .                                                         
145n .                                                         
146n endorsement box                                           
147n ----------------                                         
148n .                                                         
149n .                                                         
150n . Valid only ay/ab/ba/hg/ib/la/qr/s7 only.               
151n . Nonref/visit europe                                     
152n .                                                         
153n .                                                         
154n minimum stay                                             
155n -------------                                             
156n .                                                         
157n .  * none                                                 
158n .                                                        ‡
md«                                                           
159n maximum stay                                              ‡
160n -------------                                             
161n .                                                         
162n .  * all travel must be completed within the             
163n .    Validity of the international ticket.               
    30apr14  8bb7                  04mar03      1           
                    * end of star data *

Code:

                    ** universal star **                     
u star id - one visit europe pass p2                           
  0s oneworld visit europe pass                               
  1n .                                                         
  2n fares                                                     
  3n ------                                                   
  4n .                                                         
  5n . 1. Fares are calculated per segment as specified       
  6n .    Below and are exclusive of any taxes and             
  7n .    Passenger charges which must be collected           
  8n .    Separately.                                         
  9n . 2. Journeys may be within a single zone or a           
 10n .    Combination of two or more.                         
 11n . 3. A minimum purchase of 2 sectors is required         
 12n .    With no maximum limit.                               
 13n . 4. These airpass tickets should be issued in the       
 14n .    Currency of the intercontinental ticket as stated   
 15n .    Below.                                               
 16n sector length based on tpm miles:                         
 17n all amounts in eur                                       
 18n .                                                         
 19n ------------------------------------------------------   
 20n i zone 1                  i 55.00                    i‡   
md«                                                           
 21n i 0- 199  miles          i                          i    ‡
 22n ------------------------------------------------------   
 23n i zone 2                  i 80.00                    i   
 24n i 200- 399 miles          i                          i   
 25n ------------------------------------------------------   
 26n i zone 3                  i 115.00                  i   
 27n i 400- 899  miles        i                          i   
 28n ------------------------------------------------------   
 29n i zone 4                  i 140.00                  i   
 30n i 900- 1199  miles        i                          i   
 31n ------------------------------------------------------   
 32n i zone 5                  i 180.00                  i   
 33n i 1200- 1999  miles      i                          i   
 34n ------------------------------------------------------   
 35n i zone 6                  i 240.00                  i   
 36n i 2000 plus miles        i                          i   
 37n ------------------------------------------------------   
 38n -------------------------------------------------------   
 39n .                      Exception                         
 40n the amounts in the fare calculation line will be shown   
 41n in nuc not in usd.  Take the eur amount for each         
 42n sector and convert to nuc.  This is also true of those   
 43n countries that normally do not use eur, i.e. United      ‡
md«                                                           
 44n kingdom /gbp/ and switzerland /chf/.  The base fare      ‡
 45n will be in eur, the same currency as the voc fare is     
 46n published in, regardless of the country of origin.       
 47n .                                                         
 48n .                                                         
 49n routing                                                   
 50n --------                                                 
 51n .                                                         
 52n .  * individual segments may not be traveled more         
 53n .    Than once in each direction.                         
 54n .  * transfers permitted at ticketed points only         
 55n .                                                         
 56n stopovers                                                 
 57n ----------                                               
 58n .                                                         
 59n .  * permitted at ticketed points only                   
 60n .                                                         
 61n combinations                                             
 62n -------------                                             
 63n .                                                         
 64n .  * end-on-end combinations permitted within this       
 65n .    Rule.                                               
 66n .  * constructions not allowed.                          ‡
md«                                                           
 67n .                                                        ‡
 68n rebooking/rerouting                                       
 69n --------------------                                     
 70n .                                                         
 71n . 1. Reservation changes and rerouting permitted at       
 72n .    A charge of eur30.                                   
 73n .    Change charge not discountable for child/infant.     
 74n . 2. Additional segments may be purchased, if             
 75n .    Required, during the rerouting transaction.         
 76n . 3. Local service charges may apply.                     
 77n -------------------------------------------------------   
 78n .                      Exception                         
 79n in countries other than those where the fares are         
 80n specified in eur, the per transaction charge is           
 81n obtained by using the bsr as the time of transaction.     
 82n .                                                         
 83n .                                                         
 84n cancellation/refund                                       
 85n --------------------                                     
 86n .                                                         
 87n . 1. Before departure from the intercontinental           
 88n .    Country of origin, 50% cancellation penalty.         
 89n . 2. After departure from the intercontinental            ‡
md«                                                           
 90n .    Country of origin, the refund if any, is the        ‡
 91n .    Difference between the fare paid and the fare       
 92n .    Traveled less 50%.                                   
 93n exception: For sales in russia for travel commencing     
 94n in russia, full refund if cancelled more than 24hrs       
 95n before departure                                         
 96n at any time, the journey may be upgraded to a normal     
 97n economy or business class fare without penalty. If the   
 98n higher fare is subsequently cancelled, the original       
 99n penalty will apply.                                       
100n .                                                         
101n exception: For sales in russia for travel commencing     
102n in russia, if the higher fare is subsequently             
103n cancelled , the original penalty will not apply.         
104n .                                                         
105n .                                                         
106n discounts                                                 
107n ----------                                               
108n .                                                         
109n ------------------------------------------------------   
110n i children                i infants                  i   
111n ------------------------------------------------------   
112n i pay 75% of fare        i pay 10% of fare        i      ‡
md«                                                           
113n ------------------------------------------------------    ‡
114n .  * child is defined as accompanied 2-11 years.         
115n .  * infant is defined as accompanied under 2years       
116n .    Without a seat.                                     
117n .      * if an infant reaches two years of age after     
118n .        Travel has commenced but before travel is       
119n .        Complete a full child fare ticket must be       
120n .        Purchased for the entire journey. If an         
121n .    Infant                                               
122n .        Under the age of two requires a seat, then     
123n .    The                                                 
124n .        Full child fare will be charged.               
125n .  * exception: For sales in russia, for travel           
126n .    Commencing in russia:  Infant under 2 without a     
127n .    Seat not permitted.  A full child fare must be       
128n .    Purchased for the entire journey.                   
129n .  * unaccompanied children not allowed.                 
130n .  * no other discounts permitted.                       
    30apr14  8bb7                  04mar03      1           
                    * end of star data *


economyplusfan Nov 12, 2015 8:49 pm

Anyone know if Madeira is included in the Oneworld Visit Europe pass?

ernestnywang Nov 15, 2015 1:05 pm


Originally Posted by economyplusfan (Post 25705856)
Anyone know if Madeira is included in the Oneworld Visit Europe pass?

It should be.


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