Does a OWS have access to LAX Qantas F Lounge when travelling in J LAX-JFK redeye and then connecting on BA F next morning from JFK - LHR (7.55am departure to thereabouts)?

You may be able to try citing this clause, but you can't argue much if they turn you away. The wording is "between" but for all practical purpose it usually applies to lounge access before the short-haul as well.
https://www.oneworld.com/airport-lounges

Lounge for transatlantic J?
 

I’m flying in BA J to London and want to know what my best lounge option is. I also have Amex Plat. Skimming through this, it sounds like I can get into American Flagship (is this in T4? Connected airside to TBIT?)?

Looking for complimentary champagne and cocktails with good food. Preferably not too crowded, but hopefully all the lounges are not too crowded in the middle of the week.

You can try both the AA FL, and the OW Biz lounge without a problem, if you have the time.

Yes & Yes.
The airside connector is about a 6 to 7 minute walk.
Mid-week without specifying time, you could see plenty of business travelers.

International arrival before connecting do I have access as sapphire?
 

International arrival before connecting do I have access as sapphire?

I have no problems at other airports, jw how cool LAX will be.

If the connection is oneworld marketed and operated then you will have access as an AA Platinum on an international itinerary as long as it meets AA's criteria for "international"*.

* An "International" Itinerary" in relation to AAdvantage is travel not on solely domestic flights within the U.S. or between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico [except Mexico City], the Bahamas, Bermuda and the Caribbean.

I am BA Gold (OneWorld Emerald) and I'll be travelling with my parents (both have no status) from ORD-LAX-LAS in economy. I want to show them the lovely QF First lounge, though I know I can only guest one person normally. Is there any way to get both of them in? If not, is it possible to guest my mum into the QF First, and then bring my dad and guest him into the QF Business or the AA Flagship lounge? I've done lots of lounge hopping in LAX solo, but not sure the rules of guesting different people into different lounges, and whether this would flag up on their system?

Does anyone have any knowledge/insight into this? Thanks in advance!

Between QF F and the AA Flagship, I'd say you can probably do that and will not get caught. I would not do it between QF F and oneworld business. Do note that you are violating the guesting rule that you should stay with your guest, so be discrete.

Just wanting to get clarification although I think the answer is no but can I access OW J at LAX when flying to MEX or GUA with AA? Plat or J get me in or no to both b/c its North America?

Wondering about a BA Silver (OW sapphire) flying on AS LAX-NAS. Definitely more than 2000 miles and part of a RTW that started in Japan, etc. I believe that all of the OW terminals are connected after security, though a long walk to AS's terminal.

Distance is not important. As a BAEC Silver, you are non US oneworld Sapphire and have access to any oneworld lounge before a oneworld marketed and operated flight irrespective of class of service.

You also have access to the AA Flagship lounge in T4 as a oneworld Sapphire. IMHO that is a better option than the *O lounge.

It is a 10-15 minutes walk between the TBIT *O lounge and the AS lounge at T6.

100% agree, the AA Flagship Lounge is much better than the QF Business lounge in TBIT. I walked all the way to TBIT in December thinking I was going to the QF F lounge but it was closed. I tried the business lounge instead and was pretty disappointed. I don't think going to TBIT is worth it unless you're leaving from that terminal or OW Emerald. (and the QF F lounge is actually open)

Would these options be the same for Finnair paid biz class sold as AA codeshare? Can I access the lounge in the morning for an evening flight? I am planning a long layover.

Yes & Yes. There are also three Admirals Clubs you can check out should you wish.

Just for further clarification, it could be an AY tix without any codeshare required, and even award biz flights would qualify as an award basically equals "paid by miles".

And you can pop your head into the Admirals Club adjacent to the AA FL to check it out. By far the best views, but nowhere the F&B compared to the other options available to you.

Just back from visiting the AA flagship lounge, QF business class lounge, and the AS lounge (I was flying AS LAX-NAS) during breakfast and lunch.

Breakfast - AA far and away the best, variety and interesting dishes. QF was similar to a buffet at a low end hotel. AS was in between, though make your own pancakes.
Lunch - AA still the best of the 3. QF improved but less variety, though the soup was excellent. AS - did not use.

As to alcoholic beverages, AA had good variety of wines and Piper Heidsek Champagne, QF had a good Chardonnay, but nothing else appealled to me (standard bold clumsy reds), AS did not try. I don't drink beer or spirits.

Just to clarify, it's not called the QF business Class Lounge (albeit operated by QF), but The Los Angeles Business Lounge, is case someone is new to TBIT lounges goes looking for it.

But yes, the AA FL is best of the crop, unless one has access to QF First Lounge.

Ok here is a fun one. Booked a Condor Business class ticket LAX-FRA in June. Used AS and the ticket number shows 027 and reservation is in the Alaska app. As a OW emerald will I be able to use all the TBIT lounges I normally do flying a OW airline? Really want the wife to experience the Qantas First lounge as it is the best of the bunch in TBIT i think.

No. Condor is not a Oneworld member. You must be flying a Oneworld member airline to access Oneworld lounges either based on status or class of service. Ticket stock doesn’t matter.

What if it was ticketed as a codeshare so full Alaska flight number etc?

That will not make a difference for access to the QF Oneworld lounge as the flight must be marketed and operated by a Oneworld member airline.
From Oneworld.com:
https://www.oneworld.com/airport-lounges

Sadly seems you'll be given access to whatever lounge Condor gives you a voucher for. Being booked as an AS codeshare has zero bearing.

Personally I'd love it if they joined oneworld in the future to have a carrier in central-ish Europe again but that's not even in the rumor mill. While not a premium airline, it doesn't seem too bad from what I've seen on YT.

BAEC Gold/OWE LAX Access with JL Arrival and DL connection
 

I couldn't find the answer to this situation where I'm a BAEC Gold/OWE arriving from HND on JL 16 and have yet to choose onward flights to TWF which is only served by DL from SLC. I have quite a few choices, but really prefer to access an LAX lounge for a shower and decent F&B on arrival. I know if the onward connection is AA or AS I'm good to go, but then would have to collect bags in SLC and recheck on DL to get home. This limits my choices to less preferable options (e.g., long layovers, short connections, slight delay impacting SLC recheck).

The DL option involves the INTL to DOM recheck and TSA screening in the terminal next to TB, then walk back to TB (or even T4) for lounge access. I keep seeing that lounge access is not allowed without an onward connection and presume this is intented to be on a OW flight. Didn't see anything about non-OW onward flight. Understand that many airports would prevent such an option, but LAX now has that ability for airside access.

Thoughts?

Cheers,

-Cyborg

It's an interesting one. I think you can get into the AA FL with your inbound boarding pass and shower there plus get a decent bite to eat. Good luck with the TBIT lounges since QF controls those and they seem to hate life in general, let alone people not flying out on international flights that day. The AA lounge is a good hike from DL's terminal but is likely your only option, assuming they don't check your onward flight (they never have with me)

I guess there's no choice of going LAX-SLC on AA to simplify things?

First may I say many thanks for the kind response. There is an AA flight that has reasonable timing, but more expensive. It also poses a risk of delay into SLC with potential impact to the recheck scenario and also includes the dreaded CJ700 with limited bin space further delaying the SLC dance (I'm traveling with a carry on needing overhead). My last experience with QF F lounge was interesting in that the agent did a very thorough check of my status before allowing me in, confirming my status and also acknoledging that I was a JL F passenger thus granted access anyway; but that was a departure, not arrival...

Cheers,

-Cyborg

Ok, so I am looking at flying LAX-DFW-HND (and secured a JAL F ticket on the A350!!). I probably will take one of the red-eyes to DFW, but I am wondering if either will give me access to QF First Lounge. I can either take the LAX-DFW that leaves just before midnight the day before my DFW-HND, or the one that leaves shortly after midnight on the day of my DFW-HND. The goal will for both segments to be on the same reservation. I also have AA Plat Pro.

Would either of these qualify?

For the QF lounges, no. Your international flight has to leave before 6am the following day. If it's the same itinerary then AA would probably let you into the FL. I've done it before on the same flight you're talking about but was connecting to AA's HND flight, not JL.

That's an awful red-eye flight BTW, I wouldn't want to do it again. Don't think I slept at all, doing it again I'd rather take an earlier flight and get a hotel at DFW.

I kinda figured that might be the case. I’d probably drop into the FL, but I’ve never been too impressed with LAX or DFW.

I actually don’t want to sleep too much on the LAX-DFW flight. I’ll rest a bit, but the goal is to get a few hours of sleep on the DFW-HND flight. I did the same thing last time (on the 777), and it worked pretty well.

I haven't come across a nuance such as that. Is that an AAdvantage thing?

The only oneworld relevance is the "connecting flights" rule which would imply access, although the Qantas Lounge staff sometimes are a rule unto themselves.

It would not hurt to try however, should you go the red-eye route.

Yes it's a OW policy, it's in both the Status access and Business / First access rules:
https://www.oneworld.com/airport-lounge-results

This is the posted rules for status members:
If the OP's status was from a non-North American carrier then they would get access regardless on a domestic ticket, however for AA and AS status members, it's only for same day international or before 6am the following day, which doesn't work for the redeye. AA FL was more generous with me when I had that same connection last year (to the AA metal flight, not the JL flight) but the QF lounge was an absolute flat No Way Jose!, bye bye Mr. AA status member. (They have a pretty clear disdain for AA status people).

But the OP said they aren't a fan of the LAX and DFW Flagship Lounges. Unfortunately on that flight with AA status that's the only option (hopefully). But honestly I find both of them to be perfectly fine. They're better than a lot of other OW hub lounges around the world. Definitely better than RJ in AMM, and BA's business lounges at LHR, I'd say a toss up with BA's F lounge, I'd also say better than JL's J and F lounges, I think JL lacks in food selection even in the F lounge and definitely doesn't have the wide array of alcohol that the AA FL's have. I was also a *A flyer for many years and there aren't any *G lounges that are as good as the AA FL's, not even the TK one that everyone raved about. Some of the LH / LX Senator Lounges are on par for liquor but definitely not even close for food, so I do wonder what the metric is for disliking the LAX and DFW FL? It's one of the areas that I actually think AA does a pretty good job.

It's the wrong rule - this is Class of Service based access (The JAL flight out of DFW in First). The connection is same day at DFW; 6am does not come into it.

See point 4 in this thread's wiki:
From the oneworld Lounge Access Page:

The Flagship Lounges are generally pretty good. For sure better than any of the BA J lounges, LAX *G and the LH J lounges I have been to.

Food is decent, and the selection of drinks is pretty good. However, for LAX FL, I wouldn't really arrive early just to be in the lounge, though I definitely would arrive early for the QF F lounge. In DFW, to be honest, I think the Capital One lounge (when it isn't packed) is just as good as the FL. What it lacks in drink selection, it makes up for in atmosphere and food.

It's been a while since I've been to the one in ORD, but I remember having a great experience there. Haven't been to the one in MIA, and really want to go to the Greenwich and Soho in JFK.

The redeye flight that's being referenced is not the same day as the DFW-HND flight, it departs LAX before midnight. I do see the 6am rule in the quote you posted. YMMV but I was definitely refused access to the QF lounge when I flew on that same route and they read out the 6am rule word by word.


Only one I haven't been to is MIA, I think the others all all about equally good. The new JFK SoHo lounge is quite good, I think overall it's better than the FL's but I don't like that the bar isn't self service. Also the table ordering system wasn't working when I was there, it said you had ordered something and showed the confirmation on my phone but the food and drinks never came. I had to ask a waiter for the order. I haven't had access to the Chelsea yet, I was supposed to one time but my connecting flight from JFK was cancelled and I had to go to LGA in a hurry for the flight they moved me to.

As I indicated:
It is unfortunate you came across that. You should have had access as the connection is not at LAX; so any reference to a 6am rule would be irrelevant.

It's no different from flying in from Europe or Asia where that departure could be the day before the DFW connection.

I wonder how they'd interpret the rules with AA971, departing 00:48?

Because it's a domestic flight that's not the same day or before 6am the next? And my status is with AA. If I had BA, IB, AY, QR, JL, MH status, you're correct access would have been incorrectly denied because they get access on AS and AA domestic flights, irrespective of international connection. But for domestic flights both AA and AS status holders are discriminated against if their international flight isn't the same day or before 6am the next day. That's just the way it is and I've resigned to that. The OP on that question was also an AA status holder, subject to the same rules / discrimination.

I challenge you to go to that same QF lounge in LAX, try to get in on the AA redeye that leaves just before midnight (with AA / AS status or no status and only a business class ticket), connecting to JL or AA in DFW to TYO and see if you get any further with them. There are plenty of data points in this thread, it's not happening. That seems to be one of the most stringent lounges in the system. The RJ lounge in AMM seems to be nearly as bad by denying entry to their own connecting business class passengers until 3 hours before departure (also very well documented in the forums).

No issues with access this morning before a Flagship Business flight LAX-JFK. Itinerary also includes JFK-LHR on BA, but I wasn't asked for that boarding pass (passport requested).

Thankyou for the data point.

Still, my opinion is generally the T4 F/L has better F&B.

also got access to QF flying F on AA transcon. Agent (not John) said AA 3 class transcon to BOS, JFK and MIA get access in F

Presumably they'd also get access to the Qantas First Lounge. Note: this should be as per rules, but there have been many anecdotes of that being denied.