Did I miss some changes to DONE rules?
Dec 10, 2012 | 7:29 pm
#1
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Did I miss some changes to DONE rules?
Hi everyone
been using the above (usually DONE4) for quite a few years now (including 3 in the last year alone).
When I came to book my latest one via - as I have always done - the BA Gold Guest Line - I was surprised to hear that there is now a 21 day advance purchase requirement (ticket is being purchased out of London with first sector LHR - USA)
This was new to me
Also the agent I was speaking to also said that subsequent sectors after the initial one cannot be left open dated.
Both of the above really surprised me as I can't find any trace of them on the OW website under the RTW tool.
Did something change or have I been given wrong information do you think?
Many thanks in advance for any light that can be shed
been using the above (usually DONE4) for quite a few years now (including 3 in the last year alone).
When I came to book my latest one via - as I have always done - the BA Gold Guest Line - I was surprised to hear that there is now a 21 day advance purchase requirement (ticket is being purchased out of London with first sector LHR - USA)
This was new to me
Also the agent I was speaking to also said that subsequent sectors after the initial one cannot be left open dated.
Both of the above really surprised me as I can't find any trace of them on the OW website under the RTW tool.
Did something change or have I been given wrong information do you think?
Many thanks in advance for any light that can be shed
Dec 10, 2012 | 9:16 pm
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The latter re Open-dated segment is by product of e-ticketing that should not be an issue for a competent agent.
However, it's really not worth the trouble as you can simply book dummy dates while keeping desired transits and stopovers aligned. Just revalidate when you know your date(s). No $125 fee should be charged for simple re-validation.
There is a TC1 specific 7 day advance purchase for Economy itineraries (i.e. LONEx). Also, there is 21 day minimum ticketing limit for Economy itineraries (i.e. LONEx) where reservations are made 22 or mare days before departure.
No such limitations exist for TC2/TC3 originating itineries.
RWR1 RULE 3015 - Dec 1st 2012
However, it's really not worth the trouble as you can simply book dummy dates while keeping desired transits and stopovers aligned. Just revalidate when you know your date(s). No $125 fee should be charged for simple re-validation.
There is a TC1 specific 7 day advance purchase for Economy itineraries (i.e. LONEx). Also, there is 21 day minimum ticketing limit for Economy itineraries (i.e. LONEx) where reservations are made 22 or mare days before departure.
No such limitations exist for TC2/TC3 originating itineries.
RWR1 RULE 3015 - Dec 1st 2012
Last edited by serfty; Dec 12, 2012 at 12:24 am
Dec 10, 2012 | 9:23 pm
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I was surprised to hear that there is now a 21 day advance purchase requirement (ticket is being purchased out of London with first sector LHR - USA)
This was new to me
Also the agent I was speaking to also said that subsequent sectors after the initial one cannot be left open dated.
Both of the above really surprised me as I can't find any trace of them on the OW website under the RTW tool.
Did something change or have I been given wrong information do you think?
Many thanks in advance for any light that can be shed
This was new to me
Also the agent I was speaking to also said that subsequent sectors after the initial one cannot be left open dated.
Both of the above really surprised me as I can't find any trace of them on the OW website under the RTW tool.
Did something change or have I been given wrong information do you think?
Many thanks in advance for any light that can be shed
For travel originating in TC2/3
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceeding flights must be made prior to departure. Subsequent segments may be open-dated. Tickets may be issued up to one hour prior to departure.
Exception:
Class
Economy
Reservations Made 22 or more days before departure
Complete Ticketing At least 21 days before departure
Reservations Made 21 - 8 days before departure
Complete Ticketing At least 7 days before departure
Reservations Made 7 days or less before departure
Complete Ticketing No later than 3 days after booking
First/Business
Reservations Made 8 or more days before departure
Complete Ticketing At least 5 days before departure
Reservations Made 7 days or less before departure
Complete Ticketing No later than 3 days after booking
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceeding flights must be made prior to departure. Subsequent segments may be open-dated. Tickets may be issued up to one hour prior to departure.
Exception:
Class
Economy
Reservations Made 22 or more days before departure
Complete Ticketing At least 21 days before departure
Reservations Made 21 - 8 days before departure
Complete Ticketing At least 7 days before departure
Reservations Made 7 days or less before departure
Complete Ticketing No later than 3 days after booking
First/Business
Reservations Made 8 or more days before departure
Complete Ticketing At least 5 days before departure
Reservations Made 7 days or less before departure
Complete Ticketing No later than 3 days after booking
For travel originating in TC1
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights are required at least 7 days prior to departure of the first flight. Subsequent segments may be open-dated. Tickets must be issued at least 7 days in advance of the first flight.
Exception:
For economy class reservations made 22 or more days before departure, tickets must be issued at least 21 days before departure.
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights are required at least 7 days prior to departure of the first flight. Subsequent segments may be open-dated. Tickets must be issued at least 7 days in advance of the first flight.
Exception:
For economy class reservations made 22 or more days before departure, tickets must be issued at least 21 days before departure.
Dec 10, 2012 | 9:24 pm
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The latter is a limitation of e-ticketing that I believe can be circumvented by an competent agent but it's really not worth the trouble as you can generally simply book dummy dates keeping desired transits and stopovers aligned. Just revalidate (without changing routing, carrier or class) when you know your date. No $125 fee should be charged for simple re-validation.
The former does not exist in any rules I can see.
The former does not exist in any rules I can see.
Checked the OW fare rules again and the info I was given was clearly an error. Some 21 days advance purchase rules for Economy class travel but no such rule for Business Class. Only condition is that if you book more than 8 days before travel you must ticket and issue 5 days before travel but that is fine and what I have been used to
Thanks again
Dec 10, 2012 | 9:31 pm
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I have edited that post with additional information including a link to the relevant page in the current rules - but basically you have it correct.
Last edited by serfty; Dec 10, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Dec 11, 2012 | 11:25 pm
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Originally Posted by serfty
Just revalidate (without changing routing, carrier or inventory class) when you know your date(s). No $125 fee should be charged for simple re-validation.
16. VOLUNTARY CHANGES/REROUTING/PENALTIES
...
(a) Rebooking/Rerouting
(1) Prior to departure
(a) Changes to date/time/oneworld carrier/inventory changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same. ...
(b) Changes other than to Date/time/oneworld carrier/inventory permitted at a charge of USD125.00 per transaction. ...
(2) After Departure
(a) Date/time/oneworld carrier/inventory changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same.
(b) Changes other than to Date/time/oneworld carrier/inventory permitted at a charge of USD125.00 per transaction.
_______
In other words, you CAN change carrier or inventory class -- but not routing -- and it is still a 'simple re-validation' for which no change fee applies.
cheers,
Henry
Jan 15, 2013 | 8:33 pm
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As I understand it, changes to date/time/carrier can be done at no charge and will require either revalidation or ticket reissue. The question of which is needed, I think, up to the issuing airline. An AA RTW desk agent told me that he revalidates only for AA flights because he's seen problems where the operating carrier loses the ticketing information and then cancels the flight.