is this a valid routing ex JNB
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is this a valid routing ex JNB
hi
i'm new to routings ex SA and having read the OW Rules I thought that this routing was possible .... I've given the bare bones - the area of contention is at the end
JNB-HKG-SYD-WLG-SYD-HKG-JFK-LAX-LHRxNBO-LHR-JNB
The online booking tool doesn't let me do the final flights via LHR - says only allowed one intercontinental arrival and departure
I thought that this routing was possible as long as one of the 2 LHR visits was transit only
Or have I not understood the rules correctly
Thanks!
i'm new to routings ex SA and having read the OW Rules I thought that this routing was possible .... I've given the bare bones - the area of contention is at the end
JNB-HKG-SYD-WLG-SYD-HKG-JFK-LAX-LHRxNBO-LHR-JNB
The online booking tool doesn't let me do the final flights via LHR - says only allowed one intercontinental arrival and departure
I thought that this routing was possible as long as one of the 2 LHR visits was transit only
Or have I not understood the rules correctly
Thanks!
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hi
i'm new to routings ex SA and having read the OW Rules I thought that this routing was possible .... I've given the bare bones - the area of contention is at the end
JNB-HKG-SYD-WLG-SYD-HKG-JFK-LAX-LHRxNBO-LHR-JNB
The online booking tool doesn't let me do the final flights via LHR - says only allowed one intercontinental arrival and departure
I thought that this routing was possible as long as one of the 2 LHR visits was transit only
Or have I not understood the rules correctly
Thanks!
i'm new to routings ex SA and having read the OW Rules I thought that this routing was possible .... I've given the bare bones - the area of contention is at the end
JNB-HKG-SYD-WLG-SYD-HKG-JFK-LAX-LHRxNBO-LHR-JNB
The online booking tool doesn't let me do the final flights via LHR - says only allowed one intercontinental arrival and departure
I thought that this routing was possible as long as one of the 2 LHR visits was transit only
Or have I not understood the rules correctly
Thanks!
You are wanting to visit Africa too many times
- start there (JNB)
- make a visit to NBO from Europe and return to Europe
- end there (back to JNB)
You cannot do that - the general rule is:
Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent
I reported this in the tool bugs thread a short time ago
The rule the tool should allow is:
For travel to/from or via Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya and Uganda two permitted in Europe when one is a transfer without stopover between Ghana/Nigeria/Kenya/Uganda and another continent.
The tool gives the error message when you are returning to Europe from NBO - which is the bug. But in any case your further segments NBO-LHR-JNB are not allowed because (i) you're leaving and arriving back into Africa a second time and (ii) the transit is not to another continent as required by the rules - it is back to Africa
Last edited by pandaperth; Nov 30, 2012 at 1:18 am Reason: messy thinking regarding the European transit rule
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You also can't visit Asia twice either!!! Suggest ... HKG-SYD-WLG-SYD-JFK ...
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The allowed exception is:
Two permitted in Asia when one is a transfer without stopover or on direct single plane service between the Southwest Pacific and Europe
)See also the recent discussion on the exception, in this thread
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JNB-HKG-SYD-WLG-SYD-HKG-JFK-LAX-LHRxNBO-LHR-JNB
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Here is a copy of part of the post I made in the thread I referred to in my post above
From time to time the interpretation of this exception by airlines has flip-flopped between:
- Two permitted in Asia when one is
EITHER a transfer without stopover between the Southwest Pacific and any other continent
OR on direct single plane service between the Southwest Pacific and Europe - Two permitted in Asia when one is
EITHER a transfer without stopover between the Southwest Pacific and Europe
OR on direct single plane service between the Southwest Pacific and Europe.
YMMV I guess!
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I reported that I had successfully ticketed with AA an itinerary where the transfer without stopover was between Nth America and SWP; and the OP of that other thread later reported that CX has ticketed her/his itinerary where the transfer is between Africa and SWP.
YMMV I guess!
YMMV I guess!
The official rule, 4(e)2, says:
2. Two permitted in Asia when one is a transfer without stopover or on direct single plane service between the Southwest Pacific and Europe.
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...Back when cheapest point of purchase was MRU, I bought several AONE4s which started at MRU and ended at JNB/CPT or vice versa. (Under the interpretation of the rules used by BA at MRU, you couldn't start and end at the same point. If you started at MRU, you could end at JNB or CPT. Start at JNB/CPT and you could end at MRU.) All included two transits of LHR, clearly not allowed by the rules.
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Why not, JNB-SYD-WLG-SYD-HKG-LHR-NBO-LHR-JNB? or the more adventurous JNB-SYD-WLG-HKG-NRT-JFK-LHR-NBO-LHR-JNB?
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JNB-SYD-WLG-HKG-NRT-JFK-LHR-NBO-LHR-JNB has the same problems wrt African entries/exits. No direct service WLG-HKG (though there is AKL-HKG). More adventurous?
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Hi pianoperson,
Just a very minor quibble: "SA" can be ambiguous (the 'A' might be Africa, America, or even Asia). Since you posted your routing it's clear here of course.
Is the rule
Just a very minor quibble: "SA" can be ambiguous (the 'A' might be Africa, America, or even Asia). Since you posted your routing it's clear here of course.
Yes s/he can.
The allowed exception is:
(and so in the proposed itinerary, one of the HKG visits needs to have a little 'x' before it
)
The allowed exception is:
Two permitted in Asia when one is a transfer without stopover or on direct single plane service between the Southwest Pacific and Europe
)Two permitted in Asia when (one is a transfer without stopover) or (on direct single plane service between the Southwest Pacific and Europe[)
or Two permitted in Asia when one is a (transfer without stopover or on direct single plane service) between the Southwest Pacific and Europe
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Is the rule
Two permitted in Asia when (one is a transfer without stopover) or (on direct single plane service between the Southwest Pacific and Europe[)
or Two permitted in Asia when one is a (transfer without stopover or on direct single plane service) between the Southwest Pacific and Europe
and also the thread I linked to in post #6

