Deciding on a Oneworld Frequent Flyer Program? Help is here.
Sep 6, 2017 | 8:37 pm
#1381
Join Date: Sep 2008
Programs: A3 *G, AA exePlat, AS MVP 75k Gold, JL sapphire, UA silver
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AA exec plat requires 100k EQM, and 12K USD spending. assuming you dont fly AA, you earn 1.5 EQM per miles flown in J class. so. you need to fly 67K to qualify.
BA requires 1500 tier points. each J class over 2000 miles earn 140 tier points.
it takes 11 flights in business class in J class to earn BA gold (oneworld emerald equivalent.) as little as 22000 miles flown in business class.
For people who fly mostly business class, and not very often, BA is the best program. If you do fly a lot of miles like long haul LHR-SYD/USA often, the calculation is very difficult.
BA requires 1500 tier points. each J class over 2000 miles earn 140 tier points.
it takes 11 flights in business class in J class to earn BA gold (oneworld emerald equivalent.) as little as 22000 miles flown in business class.
For people who fly mostly business class, and not very often, BA is the best program. If you do fly a lot of miles like long haul LHR-SYD/USA often, the calculation is very difficult.
Sep 6, 2017 | 8:39 pm
#1382
Join Date: Sep 2008
Programs: A3 *G, AA exePlat, AS MVP 75k Gold, JL sapphire, UA silver
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Upgrades when flying economy in US, priority security/boarding lanes, and lounge access. Don't care for baggage or flight awards so much.
(<25000, 25000-50000, >50000 miles - <25, 25-50, >50 flights?)
4-5 roundtrips in business JFK<->DUB/LHR per year [plus a few additional segments within Europe], plus ~4 JFK<->SFO/OAK/SJC in economy, and ~2 random e.g. JFK<->ORD per year.
In total that's... ~25 segments a year? and ~50k great circle distance miles.
Business transatlantic, economy intra-US
Work only, and work will pay for business transatlantic but not domestic. I'm away from home too damn much to travel for fun
but at least it's not *my* money.
See above: JFK-DUB, JFK-SFO, (newly: JFK-PDX), JFK-(DUB)-LHR, LHR-ZRH, JFK-ORD. Within the US, have been flying B6, have previously been flying ~exclusively EI or BA for European travel.
JFK. Will not consider LGA or EWR (I live in Brooklyn close to JFK).
Concierge (top tier) with Aer Lingus, but sick and tired of lack of reciprocal status for any US airline (and no, United doesn't count, as it doesn't provide tier points and doesn't recognize status, and doesn't serve JFK). Way more Avios than I know what to do with.
Membership but no status with JetBlue. C'est la vie. (Aer Lingus's weird interlining but no miles integration is ????)
I would like to consolidate onto *an* airline network, given EI is still aeons out from joining OneWorld. Don't care which one, as long as they'll status match and offer a seamless experience.
(<25000, 25000-50000, >50000 miles - <25, 25-50, >50 flights?)
4-5 roundtrips in business JFK<->DUB/LHR per year [plus a few additional segments within Europe], plus ~4 JFK<->SFO/OAK/SJC in economy, and ~2 random e.g. JFK<->ORD per year.
In total that's... ~25 segments a year? and ~50k great circle distance miles.
Business transatlantic, economy intra-US
Work only, and work will pay for business transatlantic but not domestic. I'm away from home too damn much to travel for fun
but at least it's not *my* money.See above: JFK-DUB, JFK-SFO, (newly: JFK-PDX), JFK-(DUB)-LHR, LHR-ZRH, JFK-ORD. Within the US, have been flying B6, have previously been flying ~exclusively EI or BA for European travel.
JFK. Will not consider LGA or EWR (I live in Brooklyn close to JFK).
Concierge (top tier) with Aer Lingus, but sick and tired of lack of reciprocal status for any US airline (and no, United doesn't count, as it doesn't provide tier points and doesn't recognize status, and doesn't serve JFK). Way more Avios than I know what to do with.
Membership but no status with JetBlue. C'est la vie. (Aer Lingus's weird interlining but no miles integration is ????)
I would like to consolidate onto *an* airline network, given EI is still aeons out from joining OneWorld. Don't care which one, as long as they'll status match and offer a seamless experience.
Sep 6, 2017 | 9:15 pm
#1383
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Vancouver, BC & Sydney, NSW
Programs: AA EXP
Posts: 108
How are BA vs. AA for doing challenges/matches?
Sep 7, 2017 | 1:25 am
#1384
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 6
AA exec plat requires 100k EQM, and 12K USD spending. assuming you dont fly AA, you earn 1.5 EQM per miles flown in J class. so. you need to fly 67K to qualify.
BA requires 1500 tier points. each J class over 2000 miles earn 140 tier points.
it takes 11 flights in business class in J class to earn BA gold (oneworld emerald equivalent.) as little as 22000 miles flown in business class.
For people who fly mostly business class, and not very often, BA is the best program. If you do fly a lot of miles like long haul LHR-SYD/USA often, the calculation is very difficult.
BA requires 1500 tier points. each J class over 2000 miles earn 140 tier points.
it takes 11 flights in business class in J class to earn BA gold (oneworld emerald equivalent.) as little as 22000 miles flown in business class.
For people who fly mostly business class, and not very often, BA is the best program. If you do fly a lot of miles like long haul LHR-SYD/USA often, the calculation is very difficult.
Thanks again!
Sep 7, 2017 | 1:36 am
#1385
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Location: MEL CHC
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Low cost fare on many airlines earn very little ff miles, or even nothing (think of CX & Air NZ)
As for UK to NZ main Oneworld airlines wound be Qantas (via Australia), Cathay Pacific (via Hong Kong), Qatar (via Doha) & Malaysia (via KL). These could/may earn to any OW airline ffp, such as BA
EK, SQ, Air NZ and the 2nd tier Asian airlines will also get you UK to NZ.
If your NZ destination is not Auckland and you wish to fly into another NZ city as airline options reduce a lot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auckland_Airport
Last edited by Mwenenzi; Sep 8, 2017 at 8:03 pm
Sep 7, 2017 | 3:13 am
#1386
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 6
Not sure what you mean by partner?
Low cost fare on many airlines earn very little ff miles, or even nothing (think of CX & Air NZ)
As for UK to NZ main Oneworld airlines wound be Qantas (via Australia), Cathay Pacific (via Hong Kong), Qatar (via Doha) & Malaysia (via KL). These could/may earn to any OW airline ffp, such as BA
EK, SQ, Air NZ and the 2nd tier Asian airlines will also get you UK to NZ.
If your NZ destination is not Auckland and you wish to fly into another NZ city airline options reduce a lot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auckland_Airport
Low cost fare on many airlines earn very little ff miles, or even nothing (think of CX & Air NZ)
As for UK to NZ main Oneworld airlines wound be Qantas (via Australia), Cathay Pacific (via Hong Kong), Qatar (via Doha) & Malaysia (via KL). These could/may earn to any OW airline ffp, such as BA
EK, SQ, Air NZ and the 2nd tier Asian airlines will also get you UK to NZ.
If your NZ destination is not Auckland and you wish to fly into another NZ city airline options reduce a lot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auckland_Airport
I notice star alliance flights are around 800 cheaper business class, so was wondering if there is a specific reason that BA FFP would be better than a Star Alliance out of London, or if another One World FFP would give better miles for being able to use those miles to buy future business class tickets?
Thank you
Sep 7, 2017 | 8:07 pm
#1387
Join Date: Sep 2008
Programs: A3 *G, AA exePlat, AS MVP 75k Gold, JL sapphire, UA silver
Posts: 4,786
Sorry, when I say partner, I mean FFP.
I notice star alliance flights are around 800 cheaper business class, so was wondering if there is a specific reason that BA FFP would be better than a Star Alliance out of London, or if another One World FFP would give better miles for being able to use those miles to buy future business class tickets?
Thank you
I notice star alliance flights are around 800 cheaper business class, so was wondering if there is a specific reason that BA FFP would be better than a Star Alliance out of London, or if another One World FFP would give better miles for being able to use those miles to buy future business class tickets?
Thank you
it is pretty hard to beat 800 GPB for any perk you earn... if cash is a concern, just buy the cheapest ticket and forget about loyalty.
(i have no loyalty to any alliance but i fly like 200K miles per years that I can obtain status in multiple airlines.)
Sep 7, 2017 | 8:10 pm
#1388
Join Date: Sep 2008
Programs: A3 *G, AA exePlat, AS MVP 75k Gold, JL sapphire, UA silver
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Thanks for the response. Yes, it's an interesting question. The main thing that makes me contemplate BA is that then any EI metal travel under a BA codeshare would count towards tier points (https://www.britishairways.com/en-us...-avios/flights), whereas as I understand AA wouldn't give EQMs for EI metal travel booked under a BA codeshare (according to https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...sh-airways.jsp).
How are BA vs. AA for doing challenges/matches?
How are BA vs. AA for doing challenges/matches?
it is expected that EI may join oneworld. or if u can fly connecting flight via LHR? or if you are stuck with EI, then credit to BA and go for emerald.
Sep 7, 2017 | 8:14 pm
#1389
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Sorry, when I say partner, I mean FFP.
I notice star alliance flights are around 800 cheaper business class, so was wondering if there is a specific reason that BA FFP would be better than a Star Alliance out of London, or if another One World FFP would give better miles for being able to use those miles to buy future business class tickets?
Thank you
I notice star alliance flights are around 800 cheaper business class, so was wondering if there is a specific reason that BA FFP would be better than a Star Alliance out of London, or if another One World FFP would give better miles for being able to use those miles to buy future business class tickets?
Thank you
ticket price change all the time, this time star maybe cheap, next time skyteam could be cheaper, for your next trip oneworld could be cheaply. unless you fly a lot, it would be hard to maintain status in multiple alliances if price is a serious concern.
the best way is to forget about loyalty and just buy the cheapest ticket and then decide where to credit the flight to depending on airlines and booking class.
Sep 8, 2017 | 8:18 am
#1390
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 6
i dont know. i thought u want to stay in oneworld as you post in oneworld forum..
ticket price change all the time, this time star maybe cheap, next time skyteam could be cheaper, for your next trip oneworld could be cheaply. unless you fly a lot, it would be hard to maintain status in multiple alliances if price is a serious concern.
the best way is to forget about loyalty and just buy the cheapest ticket and then decide where to credit the flight to depending on airlines and booking class.
ticket price change all the time, this time star maybe cheap, next time skyteam could be cheaper, for your next trip oneworld could be cheaply. unless you fly a lot, it would be hard to maintain status in multiple alliances if price is a serious concern.
the best way is to forget about loyalty and just buy the cheapest ticket and then decide where to credit the flight to depending on airlines and booking class.
If I can see value in spending an extra 800 on the ticket because this time it happens to be more expensive but other times it might be cheaper, and also in the long run it is going to help with potential future upgrades etc, then I will do it.
Flying business class obviously gives lounge access so I am wondering if by sticking to one world for example, their FFP and Avios setup is good for claiming long haul business class tickets?
Sep 8, 2017 | 4:30 pm
#1391
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Location: MEL CHC
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Nominally all airlines ffp in an alliance have the same access to wards, but in practice does not always work that way. At peak times, like Christmas/New Year & Easter, extremely hard tending to impossible to get. Even when booking 355/330 days out.
Keep your 800 for another trip
Sep 8, 2017 | 5:04 pm
#1392
Join Date: Sep 2008
Programs: A3 *G, AA exePlat, AS MVP 75k Gold, JL sapphire, UA silver
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Cannot see how spending the extra money now will help in upgrades in the future. Upgrades are generally only on the airline of your ffp. Cross airlines are not that common/successful. AA/BA/IB have a cross airline upgrade system, but useless for most people as requires a very expensive base economy fare. Upgrades are never guaranteed
Long haul business award tickets are always very hard to get.
Nominally all airlines ffp in an alliance have the same access to wards, but in practice does not always work that way. At peak times, like Christmas/New Year & Easter, extremely hard tending to impossible to get. Even when booking 355/330 days out.
Keep your 800 for another trip
Long haul business award tickets are always very hard to get.
Nominally all airlines ffp in an alliance have the same access to wards, but in practice does not always work that way. At peak times, like Christmas/New Year & Easter, extremely hard tending to impossible to get. Even when booking 355/330 days out.
Keep your 800 for another trip
among the 3 alliance, oneworld is the only one with alliance wide benefits for first class lounge.
Sep 8, 2017 | 5:31 pm
#1393
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 6
Cannot see how spending the extra money now will help in upgrades in the future. Upgrades are generally only on the airline of your ffp. Cross airlines are not that common/successful. AA/BA/IB have a cross airline upgrade system, but useless for most people as requires a very expensive base economy fare. Upgrades are never guaranteed
Long haul business award tickets are always very hard to get.
Nominally all airlines ffp in an alliance have the same access to wards, but in practice does not always work that way. At peak times, like Christmas/New Year & Easter, extremely hard tending to impossible to get. Even when booking 355/330 days out.
Keep your 800 for another trip
Long haul business award tickets are always very hard to get.
Nominally all airlines ffp in an alliance have the same access to wards, but in practice does not always work that way. At peak times, like Christmas/New Year & Easter, extremely hard tending to impossible to get. Even when booking 355/330 days out.
Keep your 800 for another trip
I have been gold on United for a few years, up until last year when I didn't travel as often and I managed to have multiple business class flights when using myles. Including Auckland to London on Business and First Class with a partner airline (China Airlines).
Does BA or any One World FPP not work the same way where you can use miles to buy business class flight on other One World partners?
Thank you
Last edited by RunRun; Sep 8, 2017 at 6:10 pm
Sep 8, 2017 | 7:37 pm
#1394
Join Date: Sep 2008
Programs: A3 *G, AA exePlat, AS MVP 75k Gold, JL sapphire, UA silver
Posts: 4,786
What would be the advantage be of trying to get as high a status as possible with BA?
I have been gold on United for a few years, up until last year when I didn't travel as often and I managed to have multiple business class flights when using myles. Including Auckland to London on Business and First Class with a partner airline (China Airlines).
Does BA or any One World FPP not work the same way where you can use miles to buy business class flight on other One World partners?
Thank you
I have been gold on United for a few years, up until last year when I didn't travel as often and I managed to have multiple business class flights when using myles. Including Auckland to London on Business and First Class with a partner airline (China Airlines).
Does BA or any One World FPP not work the same way where you can use miles to buy business class flight on other One World partners?
Thank you
you can use miles to buy flights, but it is too much for my taste. BA miles is mostly useful for short haul flights up to 3000 miles to me. but YMMV.
Sep 8, 2017 | 7:58 pm
#1395
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The cost in miles/avios/points and cash surcharge (if applicable) can/does vary a lot between ffp's. As do the award rules, particularly for a for a muilti segment trip.
Frequent Flyer Award assistance tools
Use at your own risk. (These are not recommendations)
These links give a guide of ff miles needed. These may not be up to date.
-AwardAce: Compare Award Redemptions Across Airlines In Seconds --> http://www.awardace.com/ Has surcharge indication
-Economical Excursionist's Tools to compare Frequent Flyer Mile Redemptions --> http://www.flyermiler.com/
-http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...ast-miles.html --> http://www.awardhacker.com/