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Old Nov 13, 2010 | 7:17 pm
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Musing: Can purchased additional coupons be for additional trans-continental flights?

Musing: Can purchased additional coupons be for additional trans-continental flights?

The OWE rules have restrictions on trans-continental flights in Europe (rule 4h), North America (4l) and Australia (4m)

The European restriction has additional wording stating that it applies "whether part of the free continent allowance of 4 coupons, purchased as additional coupons, or a combination of both"

The restrictions for Australia and Nth America do not have this additional wording
So, does that mean those restrictions allow extra trans-continental flights - provided they are purchased additional coupons?

Has anyone managed to do this?
Just musing...
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Old Nov 13, 2010 | 10:55 pm
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It's not in the rules but I asked that specific question (re N. America) to the AA RTW desk a few years ago and got a definitive "no."
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Old Nov 14, 2010 | 12:55 pm
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Old Nov 14, 2010 | 2:37 pm
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My guess is also that they will say "no" but as always, I like pandaperth' thinking.
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Old Nov 14, 2010 | 3:51 pm
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I think both these routing rules are sufficient to say that you can't buy an extra segment that would contravene these rules. I don't know that the fact that the European routing rules explicitly say you can't purchase a 3rd restricted segment change the fact that these rules say you can only fly one non-stop transcontinental flight or only fly a sector once in the same direction.


(l) Within the USA/Canada only one nonstop or single plane service transcontinental flight permitted.


i) The same city pairs/sectors cannot be flown more than once in the same direction
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Old Nov 14, 2010 | 4:35 pm
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
Musing: Can purchased additional coupons be for additional trans-continental flights?

The OWE rules have restrictions on trans-continental flights in Europe (rule 4h), North America (4l) and Australia (4m)

The European restriction has additional wording stating that it applies "whether part of the free continent allowance of 4 coupons, purchased as additional coupons, or a combination of both"

The restrictions for Australia and Nth America do not have this additional wording
So, does that mean those restrictions allow extra trans-continental flights - provided they are purchased additional coupons?

Has anyone managed to do this?
Just musing...
No.
The Europe long segments language actually used to read:
NOTE 1: NO MORE THAN 2 FREE SEGMENTS BETWEEN THE
48N . U.K. AND:
49N . .
50N . .
51N . ALGERIA ARMENIA AZERBAIJ BAHRAIN BULGARIA
52N . CYPRUS
. . .
Members of this forum (among others) argued that additional purchased segments weren't "free segments" and that therefore additional segments weren't subject to this restriction. Despite the logic of the argument no one ever reported that they were successful in issuing additional long segments in EUR. Later the rules were changed to the current language which clearly seems to foreclose this argument.

The long segments language in NA and AUS has always merely restricted the number of segments that may be flown between the selected cities and never differentiated between "free" or other segments. Again no one has ever reported that they successfully issued an xonex with additional purchased long segments. To get where you want to go with your argument you would have to say that the additional segments don't have to abide by the regular rules for the fare. I agree with 3544quebec and don't see this as being successful.
Here are some of the previous discussions:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...ra-sector.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...l-sectors.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...long-ones.html
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Old Nov 15, 2010 | 8:23 am
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Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer
...but as always, I like pandaperth' thinking.
Aw shucks. Thank you

Aw shucks. My apologies - I should of course have searched the forum before starting a new thread
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Old Nov 15, 2010 | 8:28 am
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
Aw shucks. Thank you



Aw shucks. My apologies - I should of course have searched the forum before starting a new thread

Aw shucks your forgiven - but only because I am in a good mood and who could stay mad at a panda?
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