Oneworld Visit Australia fare - ?
Oct 24, 2010 | 3:14 am
#1
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Oneworld Visit Australia fare - ?
I am travelling LHR-SYD with BA in February and I am looking at adding on some internal flights in Australia, probably between NSW, Victoria and Tasmania.
Has anybody on the board used a Oneworld Visit Australia fare? I'm sure there are reams of small print but the Oneworld page on this product is somewhat superficial and just magisterially waves a hand in the direction of "contacting Oneworld members".
I've also turned up a Qantas Airpass but the only detailed marketing information on this is aimed at the North American market.
If anybody has any advice on domestic Australian add-on fares within Oneworld that are compatible with a BA ticket (already ticketed), I'd be very grateful!
Has anybody on the board used a Oneworld Visit Australia fare? I'm sure there are reams of small print but the Oneworld page on this product is somewhat superficial and just magisterially waves a hand in the direction of "contacting Oneworld members".
I've also turned up a Qantas Airpass but the only detailed marketing information on this is aimed at the North American market.
If anybody has any advice on domestic Australian add-on fares within Oneworld that are compatible with a BA ticket (already ticketed), I'd be very grateful!
Oct 24, 2010 | 10:43 am
#2
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Birmingham, UK
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I have the same question, so its good to see your post.
Are you looking here?: http://www.oneworld.com/ow/air-trave...nd-new-zealand
I also looked on the Oneworld website and they suggest booking in sectors and give example costs, but I can't see how I work out the the distances. I assume it is from the interactive map?
Are you looking here?: http://www.oneworld.com/ow/air-trave...nd-new-zealand
I also looked on the Oneworld website and they suggest booking in sectors and give example costs, but I can't see how I work out the the distances. I assume it is from the interactive map?
Oct 24, 2010 | 1:10 pm
#3
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You can work out approximate distances using http://gc.kls2.com/
Those domestic fares are good if you want flexbility, since they allow changes with no cost and allow you to get on an earlier flight if you arrive at airport early etc but they are not generally the cheapest fares
For cheapest fares, I would suggest just going and booking the cheapest fares either online or through where purchased the ticket. These may well be cheaper but there are change fees of around $50
For flexibilty get the pass though they are not the cheapest fares as a rule
I have found an old set of rules for the boomerang pass as used to be called and expect that the rules haven't changed dramatically http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn...ermsConditions
Those domestic fares are good if you want flexbility, since they allow changes with no cost and allow you to get on an earlier flight if you arrive at airport early etc but they are not generally the cheapest fares
For cheapest fares, I would suggest just going and booking the cheapest fares either online or through where purchased the ticket. These may well be cheaper but there are change fees of around $50
For flexibilty get the pass though they are not the cheapest fares as a rule
I have found an old set of rules for the boomerang pass as used to be called and expect that the rules haven't changed dramatically http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn...ermsConditions
Last edited by Dave Noble; Oct 24, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Oct 24, 2010 | 1:11 pm
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Hullo Pommyboi.
I haven't got as far as the map! I'm not so concerned about the price because my routing is largely fixed. I'm more concerned about the ticket T's and C's (flexibility; refunds; is it compatible with the ticket I have, which is a promotional one; how far ahead do I have to book etc?).
I think it is very unhelpful how little information on the Visit fares is available. Even before the wonderful interactive booking tool, the OW website used to have the full T's and C's for the Explorer fares to download. I'll have to ring BA tomorrow to get a decent answer. I'll post what I find out.
FYI, I've not had anybody reply on the BAEC website, which is a surprise. There's usually always somebody who has used a fare, no matter how obscure!
I haven't got as far as the map! I'm not so concerned about the price because my routing is largely fixed. I'm more concerned about the ticket T's and C's (flexibility; refunds; is it compatible with the ticket I have, which is a promotional one; how far ahead do I have to book etc?).
I think it is very unhelpful how little information on the Visit fares is available. Even before the wonderful interactive booking tool, the OW website used to have the full T's and C's for the Explorer fares to download. I'll have to ring BA tomorrow to get a decent answer. I'll post what I find out.
FYI, I've not had anybody reply on the BAEC website, which is a surprise. There's usually always somebody who has used a fare, no matter how obscure!
Oct 24, 2010 | 7:11 pm
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Don't know if the following is available in the UK but I have seen online TAs offer in Singapore and Hong Kong. Much better deal in $$ than the OW offering.
Walkabout Sale Specials
Happy wandering
Fred
Walkabout Sale Specials
Happy wandering
Fred
Oct 26, 2010 | 1:01 am
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Happy reading
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1 LOZPASE L X 437.00 T31MR - -/ 9998
PASSENGER TYPE-VAC AUTO PRICE-YES
FROM-SYD TO-PER CXR-QF TVL-25OCT10 RULE-9853 IPRTPFD/302
FARE BASIS-LOZPASE SPECIAL FARE DIS-E VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-PVU OW-VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY
AUD 440.00 9998 E05OCT10 D-INFINITY FC-LOZPASE FN-2A
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 05OCT10/0159 EXPIRES INFINITY
50.RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS
NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
ONEWORLD VISIT AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND
APPLICATION
AREA
THESE FARES APPLY WITHIN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
CLASS OF SERVICE
THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE.
TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
SEATS ARE LIMITED.
OTHER CONDITIONS
FARES ONLY APPLY IF PURCHASED BEFORE DEPARTURE
EXCEPT WHEN USED FOR ENROUTE UPGRADE FROM ANOTHER
FARE PROVIDED ALL CONDITIONS OF THESE FARES ARE
MET OR FOR ASSESSING THE REFUND OF A PARTIALLY
TRAVELLED TICKET.
---
THE OPERATING SCHEDULES OF PARTICIPATING CARRIERS
MAY BE SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE. SERVICES
TO SOME DESTINATIONS MAY BE OPERATED ON A SEASONAL
BASIS.
---
THE FARES ARE ROUTE BASED ACCORDING TO SPECIFIED
ROUTE MAPS.
---
THE PAYMENT OF PASSENGER EXPENSES ENROUTE DOES NOT
APPLY.
01.ELIGIBILITY
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
1. THIS FARE IS AVAILABLE TO OVERSEAS ORIGINATING
PASSENGERS IN CONNECTION WITH TRAVEL ON A ONEWORLD
OPERATING AND/OR MARKETING CARRIER -
AA/AY/BA/CX/IB/JC/JL/JO/LA/KA/LP/MA/MX/NU/QF/RJ/
XL/4M - TO/VIA AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
2. FARES MAY BE SOLD TO NON-RESIDENTS OF AUSTRALIA
/NEW ZEALAND. PROOF OF RESIDENCY IS TO BE
PRESENTED AT TIME OF TICKETING AND MAY ALSO BE
REQUESTED AT CHECK-IN. FAILURE TO PRODUCE SUCH
PROOF WILL RESULT IN DENIED BOARDING.
3. TICKETS MUST BE ENDORSED WITH THE INTERNATIONAL
TICKET NUMBER.
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ARRIVAL INTO AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND PROVIDED THE
ORIGINAL PASS TICKET HAS AT LEAST ONE VALID
/ONEWORLD VISIT AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND/ COUPON
REMAINING.
5. COPIES OF THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTATION MUST BE
ATTACHED TO THE AUDIT COUPON OF ANY REISSUED
TICKET -
A. PASSENGERS ORIGINAL PASS ISSUED OUTSIDE
AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
B. THE COUPON OF THE INTERNATIONAL PASSENGER
TICKET COVERING DEPARTURE FROM AUSTRALIA/
NEW ZEALAND.
C. THE IDENTITY PAGE OF THE PASSENGERS PASSPORT
OR EVIDENCE OF FOREIGN RESIDENCY.
6. ONLY ONE PASS IS PERMITTED PER PASSENGER.
02.DAY/TIME
NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
03.SEASONALITY
NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
04.FLIGHT APPLICATION
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY QF FLIGHT.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
INCLUDING QANTAS FLIGHTS OPERATED BY -
QANTASLINK / NATIONAL JET SYSTEMS / EASTERN
AUSTRALIA / SOUTHERN AUSTRALIA / SUNSTATE AIRLINES
/JETCONNECT / AND JETSTAR.
05.ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING
RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR THE FIRST SECTOR.
WAITLIST NOT PERMITTED.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
A CONFIRMED RESERVATION FOR THE FIRST SECTOR OF
THE PASS MUST BE MADE PRIOR TO ARRIVAL IN
AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND. SUBSEQUENT SECTORS MAY BE
OPEN-DATED.
---
THIS FARE MUST ISSUED ON A SEPARATE TICKET TO THE
PASSENGER INTERNATIONAL TICKET AND ISSUED PRIOR
TO ARRIVAL IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
---
A MINIMUM OF TWO SECTORS MUST BE PURCHASED PRIOR
TO ARRIVAL IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND. ADDITIONAL
SECTORS MAY BE PURCHASED UPON ARRIVAL.
06.MINIMUM STAY
NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
07.MAXIMUM STAY
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
ALL TRAVEL MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE VALIDITY
OF THE INTERNATIONAL TICKET WITH WHICH THE FARE
IS COMBINED / CONNECTED.
08.STOPOVERS
FARE RULE
NO STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
NO STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
NO STOPOVER OCCURS IF PASSENGER TAKES NEXT
AVAILABLE FLIGHT WITHIN SAME DAY.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
TRAVEL MUST BE WITHIN THE SAME CALENDAR DAY
09.TRANSFERS
4 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS ARE NOT PERMITTED.
---
EXCEPT FOR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN OF THE /ONEWORLD
VISIT AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND/ PASS NO COUNTRY MAY
BE VISITED MORE THAN ONCE.
---
TRANSFERS WITHIN AU MUST BE ON SAME CALENDAR
DAY EXCEPT FOR 2 CITIES IN AUSTRALIA -
IF TRAVEL IS VIA PER A CONNECTION IS DEFINED AS
SAME DAY OR DAY OF ARRIVAL PLUS ONE DAY NOT
EXCEEDING 12HOURS
IF TRAVEL IS VIA DRW A CONNECTION IS DEFINED AS
AS SAME DAY OR DAY OF ARRIVAL PLUS ONE DAY NOT
EXCEEDING 08HOURS
10.COMBINATIONS
ADD-ONS NOT PERMITTED.
END-ON-END
END-ON-END COMBINATIONS REQUIRED WITH QF SPECIAL
FARES. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. FARES MUST BE
SHOWN SEPARATELY ON THE TICKET.
END-ON-END NOTE -
A MINIMUM OF TWO SECTOR FARES MUST BE PURCHASED
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE IN RULE 9853 IN TARIFF
IPRPG - WITHIN AREA 3-INTERNATIONAL
IPRTPFD - WITHIN AREA 3-DOMESTIC.
OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/
CIRCLE TRIPS.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER QF IN
RULE 9853 IN TARIFF
IPRPG - WITHIN AREA 3-INTERNATIONAL
IPRTPFD - WITHIN AREA 3-DOMESTIC.
11.BLACKOUT DATES
NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.
12.SURCHARGES
NO SURCHARGE REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
13.ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.
14.TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS
NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
15.SALES RESTRICTIONS
FOOTNOTE RULE
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 31MAR11.
FARE RULE
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF QF OR AA AND
MAY NOT BE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF QF OR AY
AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF QF OR BA
AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF QF OR CX
AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF QF OR IB
AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF QF OR JL
AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF QF OR KA
AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF QF OR LA
AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF QF OR LP
AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF QF OR MA
AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF QF OR MX
AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF QF OR RJ
AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF QF OR XL
AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF QF OR 4M
AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND.
TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
TRAVEL ON THE LAST INTERNATIONAL SECTOR INTO
AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND AND THE FIRST
INTERNATIONAL DEPARTURE FROM AUSTRALIA / NEW
ZEALAND MUST BE ON A ONEWORLD OPERATING AND/OR
MARKETED FLIGHT WHERE THE INTERNATIONAL TICKET
SHOWS ONE OF THE FOLLOWING AIRLINE CODES -
AA/AY/BA/CX/IB/JC/JL/JO/KA/LA/LP/MA/MX/NU/QF/
RJ/XL/4M.
---
EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY PERMITTED ONLY IN
EVENT OF ILLNESS OF PASSENGER/CERTIFIED DEATH OF
AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER/ACCOMPANYING PASSENGER.
---
SALE OF THIS IS IS NOT PERMITTED VIA THE INTERNET.
SALE BY TRAVEL AGENTS IS PERMITTED.
16.PENALTIES
CHANGES
ANY TIME
CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REVALIDATION.
ANY TIME
CHARGE AUD 50.00/NZD 60.00 FOR REISSUE.
WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
WAIVER ALSO APPLIES TO ACCOMPANYING PASSENGER.
CANCELLATIONS
BEFORE DEPARTURE
CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED FOR CANCEL/REFUND.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
AT ANY TIME THE FARE MAY BE USED AS CREDIT TOWARDS
PAYMENT OF A HIGHER FARE PROVIDED CONDITIONS OF
THE HIGHER FARE HAVE BEEN MET AND ANY APPLICABLE
FEES AND CHARGES HAVE BEEN DEDUCTED.
AFTER DEPARTURE
CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED FOR CANCEL/REFUND.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
IF THE MINIMUM CONDITIONS OF THE PASS HAVE BEEN
MET - FULL REFUND OF UNUSED COUPONS.
---
IF THE MINIMUM CONDITIONS OF THE PASS HAVE NOT
BEEN MET - THE REFUND IF ANY WILL BE THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FARE PAID AND THE
APPLICABLE NORMAL FARE.
---
AT ANY TIME THE FARE MAY BE USED AS CREDIT TOWARDS
PAYMENT OF A HIGHER FARE PROVIDED CONDITIONS OF
THE HIGHER FARE HAVE BEEN MET AND ANY APPLICABLE
FEES AND CHARGES HAVE BEEN DEDUCTED.
ANY TIME
CHARGE AUD 50.00 FOR NO-SHOW.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
AT ANY TIME THE FARE MAY BE USED AS CREDIT TOWARDS
PAYMENT OF A HIGHER FARE PROVIDED CONDITIONS OF
THE HIGHER FARE HAVE BEEN MET AND ANY APPLICABLE
FEES AND CHARGES HAVE BEEN DEDUCTED.
17.HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS
NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY.
18.TICKET ENDORSEMENTS
THE ORIGINAL TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - VALID QF ONLY
- IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
TICKETS MUST SHOW BY THE USE OF AN INSERT OR
STICKER THAT TRAVEL IS AT A SPECIAL FARE AND
SUBJECT TO SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
---
TICKET MUST BE CROSS-REFERENCED WITH THE
INTERNATIONAL TICKET NUMBER.
19.CHILDREN DISCOUNTS
CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF
THE FARE.
TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
OR - 1ST INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 -
CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
20.TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS
TUR/TOUR CONDUCTOR PSGR - NO DISCOUNT.
21.AGENT DISCOUNTS
AGT/AGENT PSGR - NO DISCOUNT.
22.ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS
NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.
23.MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS
NO PROVISIONS APPLY.
25.FARE BY RULE
NOT APPLICABLE.
26.GROUPS
NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.
27.TOURS
NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.
28.VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY
NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.
29.DEPOSITS
NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.
31.VOLUNTARY CHANGES
NO VOLUNTARY CHANGES DATA FOUND.
33.VOLUNTARY REFUNDS
NO VOLUNTARY REFUNDS DATA FOUND.
35.NEGOTIATED FARES
NOT APPLICABLE.
IC.INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION
NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE