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Old Aug 5, 2010 | 4:22 pm
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OWE rule changes - Russia and "Stans"

Maybe I'm my usual tardy self and this has been mentioned - if so, delete me, Kiwi - but in looking at the xONEx rules I noted some new (to me) bits, thoughtfully underlined and bolded in RED - that look like accommodations for S7's entry into the product,

To wit,

Continents are defined as:

Europe-Middle East (Including Algeria, Egypt, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Libya, Morocco, Russia both east and west of the Urals, Sudan, Tajikistan, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan )

Africa
(which together shall comprise TC2)
...and...

(h) A minimum of 3 and maximum of 16 segments, including surface segments between
any 2 airports, are permitted for the entire journey. Free flight segments within each
continent are limited as follows:
Africa 4
Asia 4
Europe Middle East 4
(*not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALGERIA, BOSNIA &
HERZEGOVINA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, ISRAEL, LIBYA,
MALTA, MIDDLE EAST, MOROCCO, PORTUGAL, ROMANIA, RUSSIA, SERBIA,
TUNISIA, UKRAINE.
*not more than 2 of which may be between the Russia west of the Urals and Russia east of the Urals)
Very interesting about Russia and the Stans...
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Old Aug 5, 2010 | 4:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
Very interesting about Russia and the Stans...
If Russia can enter the Eurovision Song Contest, it makes perfect sense for Russia to be a part of the Euro OW empire...
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Old Aug 5, 2010 | 5:19 pm
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The change was mentioned in this thread by og a while back but not identified in the title.
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Old Aug 6, 2010 | 12:26 am
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Good news that some of the 'stans will be included in Europe. I guess S7's entry to OW will change the longest xONEx routings a bit.
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Old Aug 11, 2010 | 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by chilledflyer
Just got off the phone with an agent at AA RTW desk. The agent said and insisted that the rule came into effect on 1 August 2010. Would that be the updated one on the website to which they refer?

I referred the agent to rule 4 but cannot get her to confirm nor can I get her to send me an updated fare rule...so am not getting far as to seeking a confirmation. Normally AA Agents are good but not sure why they are being a bit "funny" on this occasion.

Perhaps someone with access to a GDS could very kindly confirm whether this is the case?
This change was mentioned on another site a few days ago. I no longer have access to Sabre star files so can't see if it's there. Presumably it must be as it's AA that seems to be enforcing the rule.

It really sucks if it means one can't connect through the same point twice if it involves the same segment, e.g. most of my xONExs include XXX-xDFW-SEA-xDFW-XXX-xDFW-SEA... or some such.
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My xonex's have often included similar segments. I wonder if christep still has cxagents access and could obtain the cx cx version of the rules?
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From Sabre (via ExpertFlyer) in the "Flight Application" section:

I.THE SAME CITY PAIRS/SECTORS CANNOT BE FLOWN
MORE THAN ONCE IN THE SAME DIRECTION
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I.THE SAME CITY PAIRS/SECTORS CANNOT BE FLOWN
MORE THAN ONCE IN THE SAME DIRECTION
Hm. I thought that language looked familiar, so I pulled up an old copy (from 20-segment days) of the Global Explorer rules, and guess what... there it is.

Then I looked again at both the OWE and GlobEx rules as currently posted, and saw this:
(d) If the rerouting results in an increase to the number of [ticketed miles] continents or extra flight segments previously charged, the ticket shall be recalculated. Ticket may be reissued to any applicable Explorer fare validating all rules of the new fare except for restrictions on retroactive use. Rerouting penalty applies when the resulting fare is less than or equal to the original fare. No refund applies. See Upgrading provisions when recalculation results in a new fare basis at a higher value.
The same language is now in both products. Meaning, I presume, that one can move from an xONEx to an xGLOBx or v.v. in the case of changes. IIRC in the past one could go from a GlobEx to a OWE, but not the other way.
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It seems like that this is the case then....what a PITA.

Honestly, the value of xONEx keeps diminishing in light of the price hikes over the last couple of years, along with the reduction of sectors from 20 to 16 and now we can't even have identical city pairs!! I now have to begrudgingly route to KIX instead...it's not a big deal but this should at the very least be updated and made clear in the fare rules on OW's website. It's not rocket science...

It's a long shot but now that they take city pairs into account, I wonder if they will allow us to book open segments with city pairs (i.e. LON/NYC/TYO) instead of specifying an specific airport...

-chilledflyer-
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Originally Posted by chilledflyer
It seems like that this is the case then....what a PITA.

Honestly, the value of xONEx keeps diminishing in light of the price hikes over the last couple of years, along with the reduction of sectors from 20 to 16 and now we can't even have identical city pairs!! I now have to begrudgingly route to KIX instead...it's not a big deal but this should at the very least be updated and made clear in the fare rules on OW's website. It's not rocket science...

It's a long shot but now that they take city pairs into account, I wonder if they will allow us to book open segments with city pairs (i.e. LON/NYC/TYO) instead of specifying an specific airport...

-chilledflyer-
Don't see how they will allow this as the rules talk about segments between airports now.
(h) A minimum of 3 and maximum of 16 segments, including surface segments between any 2 airports, are permitted for the entire journey.
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Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
I wonder if christep still has cxagents access and could obtain the cx cx version of the rules?
Regrettably not - I lost that access a couple of years ago at least.
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Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
Good news that some of the 'stans will be included in Europe. I guess S7's entry to OW will change the longest xONEx routings a bit.
It certainly will as the longest S7 will operated the longest flight in Europe. But unfortunately Moscow is not well positioned for QFF purposes as many flights to/from are always just below the QF status credit earning thresholds.
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Full set of current rules here:

Code:
ONEWORLD EXPLORER FARES
AA/AY/BA/CX/IB/JC/JL/JO/KA/ LA/LP/MA/MX/NU/QF/RJ/XL/4M
RWR1 RULE 3015
AIR TARIFF RULE 3030/PAT RULE O030
Changes: Eff 1 August 2010
* Minimum Stay - Exception 1 changed to Europe-Middle East
* Addition to cat 4 Routings, Paragraph (i) The same city pairs/sectors cannot be flown more than once in
the same direction
0. APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS
First / Business / Economy RTW / Open Jaw travel via
AA/AY/BA/CX/IB/JC/JL/JO/KA/LA/LP/MA/MX/NU/QF/RJ/XL/4M operated services worldwide.
Capacity Limitations
The carrier shall limit the number of passengers carried on any one flight on fares governed by this rule
and such fares will not necessarily be available on all flights. The number of seats which the carrier shall
make available on a given flight will be determined by the carriers best judgement.
Other Conditions
Fares apply only if purchased prior to departure.
The fare to be charged is determined by the number of geographic continents in the itinerary including
the continent of origin. Continents are defined as:
*Europe-Middle East (Including Algeria, Egypt, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Libya,Morocco Russia both east
and west of the Urals, Sudan,Tajikistan, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan )
*Africa
(which together shall comprise TC2)
*Asia
*South West Pacific
(which together shall comprise TC3)
*North America (including Caribbean, Central America and Panama)
*South America
(which together shall comprise TC1)
Baggage regulations
Two free pieces of 23 kilos each shall be permitted. Additional allowances may apply. Refer to individual
carrier websites.
Passenger Expenses  Not permitted.
FARES
Refer end of Sheet
4. FLIGHT APPLICATION/ROUTINGS
Fares only apply on any AA/AY/BA/CX/IB/JC/JL/JO/KA/LA/LP/MA/MX/NU/QF/RJ/XL/4M flights.
(a) Travel must be via the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans and only one crossing of each ocean is
permitted.
(b) Travel must be in a continuous forward direction between TC1 - TC2 - TC3. Backtracking within a
continent is permitted except as follows:
Backtracking between Hawaii and other points in North America is not permitted.
(c) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same
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(a) within the country of origin
(b) within the Middle East
(c) between the United States and Canada
(d) between HKG and China
(e) between Malaysia and SIN
(f) within Africa
(g) between Maldives & Sri Lanka/India
(d) Travel may not be via the point of origin
(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent
except as follows:
1. Two permitted in North America when one is a transfer without stopover.
2. Two permitted in Asia when one is a transfer without stopover or on direct single plane service
between the Southwest Pacific and Europe.
3. For travel to/from or via Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania two permitted in Europe
when one is a transfer without stopover between Ghana/Nigeria/Kenya/Uganda/Tanzania and
another continent.
(f) Only one international departure and one international arrival from/to the country of origin
permitted
EXCEPTION: Two permitted for origin USA when one arrival-departure is a transfer
without stopover.
NOTE - travel between USA and Canada is not counted as international.
(g) Intermediate surface sectors are permitted at the passengers expense. Transoceanic surface
sectors between TC1-TC2 and TC1-TC3 are not permitted.
EXCEPTION: For travel originating in the South West Pacific, one transoceanic surface sector
between TC1-TC2 or TC1-TC3 is permitted.
(h) A minimum of 3 and maximum of 16 segments, including surface segments between any 2
airports, are permitted for the entire journey. Free flight segments within each continent are
limited as follows:
Africa 4
Asia 4
Europe Middle East 4
(*not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALGERIA, BOSNIA & HERZEGOVINA,
BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, ISRAEL, LIBYA, MALTA, MIDDLE EAST,
MOROCCO, PORTUGAL, ROMANIA, RUSSIA, SERBIA, TUNISIA, UKRAINE.
*not more than 2 of which may be between Russia west of the Urals and Russia east of the
Urals)
whether part of the free continent allowance of 4 coupons, purchased as additional coupons, or a
combination of both)
North America 6
South America 4
South West Pacific 4
Two additional flight segments within each continent, except the continent of origin, may be purchased.
Each additional segment at a charge of:
First Class USD550 / AUD750 / GBP350 / HKD4300 / EUR450 / JPY65000
Business Class USD400 / AUD500 / GBP200 / HKD3200 / EUR300 / JPY48000
Economy Class USD150 / AUD200 / GBP75 / HKD1200 / EUR100 / JPY18000
The fare class of the purchased flight segments may be lower than that of the oneworld Explorer.
The charge should be shown as Q in the fare calculation immediately following the city pair.
If currency of ticket origin is not shown convert the USD amount at the BSR except origin New Zealand
convert the AUD amount at BSR.
(i) The same city pairs/sectors cannot be flown more than once in the same direction
(j) Travel on any AA/AY/BA/CX/IB/JC/JL/JO/KA /LA/LP/MA/MX/NU/QF/RJ/XL/4M codeshare service
operated by AA/AY/BA/CX/EG/IB/JC/JL/JO/KA/LA/LP/MA/MX/NU/QF/RJ/XL/4M is permitted. Other
codeshare services not permitted.
Additionally, travel permitted on the following airlines which are affiliated with/or wetlease providers
to oneworld:
AMERICAN AIRLINES American Eagle including flights operated by Executive Air/American
Connection - including flights operated by Chautauqua
BRITISH AIRWAYS BA CityFlyer including flights operated by Flightline/Comair/Sun-Air
IBERIA AIRLINES Air Nostrum / Gestair
JAPAN AIRLINES J-Air
LAN AIRLINES Lan Express
MALEV Carpatair, Base Ltd, Moldavian Airlines (excluding BUD-KIV vv)
MEXICANA MexicanaClick / MexicanaLink
QANTAS Alliance Airlines, QantasLink operated by Eastern Australia, Jetconnect,
National Jet Systems and Sunstate Airlines
Ground transportation services operated by/for BA/QF may not be included as part of the oneworld
Explorer.
(k) Travel between Australia and Europe on a single flight number is considered travelling SW Pacific-
Asia-Europe through three continents.
Travel between Japan and Brazil on a single flight number is considered travelling Asia-North
America-South America through three continents
(l) Within the USA/Canada only one nonstop or single plane service transcontinental flight permitted.
A transcontinental flight is defined as travel between a city in column A and a city in column B.
COLUMN A COLUMN B
Baltimore MD Las Vegas
Boston MA Los Angeles CA
Ft Lauderdale FL Oakland CA
Hartford CT Portland OR
Miami FL San Diego CA
Newark NJ San Francisco CA
New York NY San Jose CA
Orlando FL Seattle
Philadelphia PA Vancouver, BC
San Juan PR Santa Ana, CA
Toronto ON Long Beach, CA
Washington DC
Additionally, only one flight to Anchorage (ANC) and one flight from Anchorage (ANC) permitted.
(m) Within Australia - only one nonstop/single plane service flight is permitted between the following
points:
BNE/CBR/CNS/SYD/MEL - PER
CBR/MEL/SYD - DRW
MEL/SYD - BME
EXCEPTION:
A. No restriction between SYD/MEL - PER for passengers originating in PER
when in conjunction with travel to/from JNB/SHA
B. No restriction between SYD/MEL - PER for passengers originating in New
Zealand when in conjunction with travel to/from JNB.
(n) Nonstop transatlanticTravel on AA between DEL and ORD is permitted.
For travel ex South America/South West Pacific- when this service is utilised a minimum of a 4
Continent Fare must be charged.
For travel ex North America/Asia - when this service is utilised a minimum of a 3 continent fare must
be charged.
5. RESERVATIONS AND TICKETING
(a) Reservations and Ticketing
For travel originating in TC1
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceeding flights are required at least 7 days prior to
departure of the first flight. Subsequent segments may be open-dated. Tickets must be issued at least 7
days in advance of the first flight.
Exception:
For economy class reservations made 22 or more days before departure, tickets must be issued
at least 21 days before departure.
For travel originating in TC2/3
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceeding flights must be made prior to departure.
Subsequent segments may be open-dated. Tickets may be issued up to one hour prior to departure.
Exception:
Class Reservations Made Complete Ticketing
22 or more days
before departure
At least 21 days before departure
21 - 8 days
before departure
At least 7 days before departure
Economy
7 days or less
before departure
No later than 3 days after booking
8 or more days
before departure
First/Business At least 5 days before departure
7 days or less
before departure
No later than 3 days after booking
(b) BOOKING CODES
FIRST BUSINESS ECONOMY
AA BA CX JL JO KA QF A D L
AY IB MA MX RJ XL 4M D D L
LA LP A D / W L
LA (IPC  SCL) D D L
AY LA LP XL 4M Domestic Y Y L
AA Flights 2700-5099 A/Y D/Y L
JL Domestic Flights to/from NRT J J H
JL/NU/JC Domestic Flights
(other than to/from NRT) F J Y
BA World Traveller Plus T
QF Premium Economy R
JL Premium Economy W
NOTE: For flights where First or Business Class is not offered or available, passengers may travel in a
lower Class, in the applicable booking code for that lower Class. The fare for the highest Class used
applies, without compensation.
Exception - for services within the USA where no Business Class is offered, Business Class passengers
may book and travel in First Class (Booking Code "A"), subject to availability. This provision does not
apply on any flight where Business Class exists but is unavailable for booking.
6. MINIMUM STAY
Travel on the last international sector must commence no earlier than 10 days after commencement of
the first international sector:
EXCEPTION 1 - For travel originating in Europe-Middle East travel on the last intercontinental sector
must commence no earlier than 10 days after commencement of the first intercontinental sector
EXCEPTION 2 - for travel originating South West Pacific/Hong Kong/Japan
First and Business class - none
7. MAXIMUM STAY
Return travel from the last stopover point must commence no later than 12 months after departure.
8. STOPOVERS
Permitted
NOTE: 1. Minimum 2 stopovers required
2. Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one
stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
3. No Stopover permitted in Hong Kong if travel is VIA HKG  FCO on QF 3860/3861.
9. TRANSFERS/ROUTINGS
Unlimited online/interline transfers permitted between
AA/AY/BA/CX/IB/JC/JL/JO/KA/LA/LP/MA/MX/NU/QF/RJ/XL/4M
10. PERMITTED COMBINATIONS
Add-ons not permitted
Combinations with other fares not permitted
12. SURCHARGES
Economy Class Passengers may travel in QF Premium Economy cabin, JL Premium Economy, or BA
World Traveller Plus cabin for an additional charge, per flight segment of:
Sectors between SWP and Africa
Sectors between SWP and Europe
Sectors between SWP and North America
Sectors between SWP and South America
AUD1250 GBP700 JPY112,000 USD1150
Sectors between SWP and Asia
Sectors between Asia and North America
Sectors between Europe and Africa
Sectors between Europe and Asia
Sectors between Europe and North America
Sectors between Europe and South America
Sectors within continents
AUD825 GBP450 JPY70,000 USD775
Book in
BA - T Class
JL - W Class
QF - R Class
Identify as a -Q- in the fare calculation, immediately following applicable sector.
Child/infant discounts apply.
For tickets not issued in AUD/GBP/JPY/USD apply the USD amount at the ROE.
15. SALES RESTRICTIONS
Tickets must be issued on the stock of AA / AY / BA / CX / IB / JL / KA / LA /
LP / MA / MX / QF / RJ / XL / 4M.
If a ticket includes travel to/from/via Cuba it may not also include flight segments for travel on American
Airlines/American Eagle including flights operated by Executive Air / American Connection including flights
operated by Chautauqua due to U.S. Government restrictions. Any such ticket will not be honoured by AA
and cannot be used to travel on AA.
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When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is
sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of
the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of
sale.
Exception: Not applicable for sales made and/or travel originating in Canada or when BOTH travel
originates and sales are made within the European Common Aviation Area (ECAA)/Switzerland.
16. VOLUNTARY CHANGES/REROUTING/PENALTIES
Penalties as described below may be waived in case of certified death/illness of the passenger or
passengers immediate family member or accompanying passenger.
Local service fees may apply on rebooking, rerouting, reissue or refund.
(a) Rebooking/Rerouting
(1) Prior to departure
(a) Changes to date/time/oneworld carrier/inventory changes are permitted provided ticketed
points remain the same. If the first flight coupon is being changed, and the fare level has
increased since ticket issuance, the difference between the old and new fare will be charged.
If the fare level has decreased since ticket issuance, no refund will apply.
Exception: For fares originating in TC1, changes to the first international flight and
preceeding flights are not permitted less than seven days prior to the date of the first ticketed
flight.
(b) Changes other than to Date/time/oneworld carrier/inventory permitted at a charge of
USD125.00 per transaction. If the fare level has increased since ticket issuance, the
difference between the old and new fare will also be charged. If the fare level has decreased
since ticket issuance, no refund will apply.
(2) After Departure
(a) Date/time/oneworld carrier/inventory changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain
the same.
(b) Changes other than to Date/time/oneworld carrier/inventory permitted at a charge of
USD125.00 per transaction.
(c ) No Show requires rebooking at a charge of USD125
(d) If the rerouting results in an increase to the number of continents or extra flight segments
previously charged, the ticket shall be recalculated. Ticket may be reissued to any
applicable Explorer fare validating all rules of the new fare except for restrictions on
retroactive use. Rerouting penalty applies when the resulting fare is less than or equal to the
original fare. No refund applies. See Upgrading provisions when recalculation results in a
new fare basis at a higher value.
(b) Cancellations and Refunds
(1) After ticket issuance - Cancellation/No Show
Forfeit 10% of ticketed fare for Economy Class fares
Forfeit 5% of ticketed fare for Business/First Class fares
(2) In case of refusal of official documents/entry permit/visa a full refund will apply provided
official documentation from the approved authority is produced and attached to the refund
request.
(3) For partially used transportation the refund if any will be the difference between the fare
paid and the fare for the transportation used less the penalty amount specified in (1) above.
NOTE: For tickets sold in Venezuela any full or partial refund must be processed through the
original issuing location in Venezuela
(c) Upgrading
1) An Economy class oneworld Explorer fare may be upgraded to a higher tiered or First/Business
class oneworld Explorer fare without penalty.
2) A Business class oneworld Explorer fare may be upgraded to a higher tiered or First class
oneworld Explorer fare without penalty.
3) A First Class oneworld Explorer fare may be upgraded to a higher tiered oneworld Explorer fare
without penalty.
4) Upgrading by sector to Business/First class is not permitted.
5) At any time the oneworld Explorer fare may be used as credit towards payment of any higher fare
from the point of origin provided the conditions of the higher fare have been met. No penalty will
apply. Where such credit is towards another Explorer fare, retroactive use will be permitted.
Reissued tickets must be endorsed --NON REF/ XXX-- (XXX equals oneworld Explorer fare
basis code) and the original Non-Refundable amount remains Non-Refundable. If the upgraded
ticket is subsequently cancelled, the original penalty will apply.
18. TICKET ENDORSEMENTS
(a) Fare basis codes:
First class - AONE*
Business class - DONE*
Economy class - LONE*
* Equals number of continents
(b) Endorsements:
The original and reissued ticket must be annotated
Valid on oneworld only / non ref in the endorsement box
19. CHILDREN DISCOUNTS
Unless otherwise specified
Accompanied child 2 -11 - charge 75 percent of the fare.
Ticketing code - base fare code plus CH
or - Infant: under 2 without a seat  charge 10 percent of fare.
Ticketing code - base fare code plus IN
NOTE  If an infant reaches two years of age after travel has commenced but before travel is complete, a
full child fare ticket must be purchased for the entire journey.
or - Note
Unaccompanied children are not accepted for transportation using the oneworld Explorer Fare.
20. TOUR CONDUCTORS DISCOUNTS
Not permitted
21. AGENTS DISCOUNTS
Not permitted.
22. OTHER DISCOUNTS
Applicable to AA only
Rule 755 Senior Saver Club not permitted.
Rule 1810 Senior Citizen Discount Club not permitted.
26. GROUP TRAVEL
Group travel using these fares is permitted for Business class and Economy class travel only.
A. ELIGIBILITY: No requirements
B. MINIMUM GROUP SIZE:
Economy Class - 10 passengers
Note - Maximum group size 30 passengers
Business Class - 10
Note - Maximum group size 15 passengers
C. ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL: Group required to travel together for the entire
itinerary.
D. DOCUMENTATION: No requirements
E. NAME CHANGES AND ADDITIONS: Name changes and additions are not permitted
after the ticketing deadline.
F. Ticketing carriers Group policy shall apply.
BOOKING CODES
BUSINESS ECONOMY
AA/AY/BA/CX/IB/JC/JL/JO/KA/ I G
LA/LP//MA/MX/NU/QF/RJ/XL/4M
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Old Aug 12, 2010 | 1:47 am
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Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
Don't see how they will allow this as the rules talk about segments between airports now.
There should be a difference between two airports in the same city (eg NRT-HND, LGA-JFK etc) and two different cities (eg LHR-CDG).
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Originally Posted by Himeno
There should be a difference between two airports in the same city (eg NRT-HND, LGA-JFK etc) and two different cities (eg LHR-CDG).
If you search back through this forum, you will see that this used be allowed - especially in the days of paper tickets:
the destination of one coupon could be say LON
and origination of the next coupon could also be LON
and the fact that one was say LHR and the other LGW didn't matter

The 'enhancement' of going to eTicketing resulted in this being lost, along with the 20 flights
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