US DOT grants antitrust immunity to OW
Jul 20, 2010 | 5:58 pm
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US DOT grants antitrust immunity to OW
As expected, the US DOT gave clearance for a greater cooperation between IBBA and AA. So hopefully the AA and BA earners will soon be able to get rid of those nasty footnotes for TATL flights.
There are a few conditions attached mainly in the form of LHR landing rights having to go to *A or Skyteam for some services.
Press release here:
http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2971
There are a few conditions attached mainly in the form of LHR landing rights having to go to *A or Skyteam for some services.
Press release here:
http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2971
Jul 20, 2010 | 6:29 pm
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Jul 22, 2010 | 3:56 pm
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) and wanted to earn credit for it, which I couldn't do on my AA miles account. Then I burned most of my AA miles and decided to credit my future OW flights to BA. IFlying here in the states its much easier to earn bonus miles on AAdvantage over Executive Club. Now I have ~40K BA miles, ~6K AA miles, and I'm not sure which one to keep pursuing. Any thoughts? I don't really fly enough to try to get status on either, but I feel like AA is a better choice because I'm usually flying out of ORD and then I also don't have to deal with Tier Points trying to get status.
Jul 22, 2010 | 9:12 pm
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Ugh. I joined Executive Club because I was flying in Club World TATL (paid for by someone else ) and wanted to earn credit for it, which I couldn't do on my AA miles account. Then I burned most of my AA miles and decided to credit my future OW flights to BA. IFlying here in the states its much easier to earn bonus miles on AAdvantage over Executive Club. Now I have ~40K BA miles, ~6K AA miles, and I'm not sure which one to keep pursuing. Any thoughts?
I don't really fly enough to try to get status on either, but I feel like AA is a better choice because I'm usually flying out of ORD and then I also don't have to deal with Tier Points trying to get status.
) and wanted to earn credit for it, which I couldn't do on my AA miles account. Then I burned most of my AA miles and decided to credit my future OW flights to BA. IFlying here in the states its much easier to earn bonus miles on AAdvantage over Executive Club. Now I have ~40K BA miles, ~6K AA miles, and I'm not sure which one to keep pursuing. Any thoughts? I don't really fly enough to try to get status on either, but I feel like AA is a better choice because I'm usually flying out of ORD and then I also don't have to deal with Tier Points trying to get status.
Jul 23, 2010 | 7:48 am
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There are long discussion threads here on the AA forum:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1107595
..and on the BA forum here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1105334
Obviously lots to be sorted out, but I summarize two main sentiments:
- AA Elites excited to earn/use miles (and hopefully SWUs) on BA TATL premium products.
- BA Elites concerned about hordes unwashed AA Elites consuming space on the same.
My suspicion is that there will be some preservation of elevated access to BA Elites on BA TATL flights. For example there was a suggestion that "upgrades" for AA SWU would leverage WT+ as the "interim step" to CW; so that SWUs would be limited to AA passengers willing to pay for WT+ first.
Stick with BA until it's all sorted out. There's lots of speculation and few facts at the moment.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1107595
..and on the BA forum here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1105334
Obviously lots to be sorted out, but I summarize two main sentiments:
- AA Elites excited to earn/use miles (and hopefully SWUs) on BA TATL premium products.
- BA Elites concerned about hordes unwashed AA Elites consuming space on the same.
My suspicion is that there will be some preservation of elevated access to BA Elites on BA TATL flights. For example there was a suggestion that "upgrades" for AA SWU would leverage WT+ as the "interim step" to CW; so that SWUs would be limited to AA passengers willing to pay for WT+ first.
Stick with BA until it's all sorted out. There's lots of speculation and few facts at the moment.
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Jul 24, 2010 | 7:13 am
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My suspicion is that there will be some preservation of elevated access to BA Elites on BA TATL flights. For example there was a suggestion that "upgrades" for AA SWU would leverage WT+ as the "interim step" to CW; so that SWUs would be limited to AA passengers willing to pay for WT+ first.
Jul 24, 2010 | 7:26 am
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My personal suspicion is we will find out the new scheme when AA, BA and IB announce it. What a novel concept. But until then, let the rampant speculation, conjecture, arguing, what if scenarios, and he said/she said continue as it is quite entertaining.
No doubt some guesses will be right. Who knows maybe even someone will have some inside information and we will find out the details minutes or days before others. Boy will we feel special then!
Until then I will wait on making next year's travel plans (May-Oct 2011) after an announcement is made to see if the new scheme makes any difference.
No doubt some guesses will be right. Who knows maybe even someone will have some inside information and we will find out the details minutes or days before others. Boy will we feel special then!
Until then I will wait on making next year's travel plans (May-Oct 2011) after an announcement is made to see if the new scheme makes any difference.
Jul 25, 2010 | 11:42 pm
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But thats more because it doesn't concern them. If one of them would be flying a significant amount of US-Europe traffic then they too would have been part of this process.
Jul 26, 2010 | 5:33 am
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No argument there, but again, it's a little ignorant to be reporting this is ATI for oneworld, which it clearly isn't. It's ATI for a fraction of the oneworld network and a few of the carriers in that network. I expect ignorance from the media, but not from people here who know better...
Jul 26, 2010 | 6:39 am
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No argument there, but again, it's a little ignorant to be reporting this is ATI for oneworld, which it clearly isn't. It's ATI for a fraction of the oneworld network and a few of the carriers in that network. I expect ignorance from the media, but not from people here who know better...
But there is a reason why everyone is saying oneworld since this is the headline of the official DOT release:
DOT Approves oneworld Antitrust Immunity Application.
The Department found that granting antitrust immunity to the oneworld alliance will provide travelers and shippers with a variety of benefits, including lower fares in some markets, new nonstop routes, improved services and better schedules.
Jul 26, 2010 | 6:46 am
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No argument there, but again, it's a little ignorant to be reporting this is ATI for oneworld, which it clearly isn't. It's ATI for a fraction of the oneworld network and a few of the carriers in that network. I expect ignorance from the media, but not from people here who know better...
So really no difference in the oneworld site and FT oneworld forum discussing it in that perspective. Perhaps your real pet peeve is with the title of this thread, not the media accounts. But really we need to relax and not worry so much about semantics IMO (as I go on and on
). Life is way too short.
Jul 27, 2010 | 7:58 am
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Ugh. I joined Executive Club because I was flying in Club World TATL (paid for by someone else ) and wanted to earn credit for it, which I couldn't do on my AA miles account. Then I burned most of my AA miles and decided to credit my future OW flights to BA. IFlying here in the states its much easier to earn bonus miles on AAdvantage over Executive Club. Now I have ~40K BA miles, ~6K AA miles, and I'm not sure which one to keep pursuing. Any thoughts?
I don't really fly enough to try to get status on either, but I feel like AA is a better choice because I'm usually flying out of ORD and then I also don't have to deal with Tier Points trying to get status.
) and wanted to earn credit for it, which I couldn't do on my AA miles account. Then I burned most of my AA miles and decided to credit my future OW flights to BA. IFlying here in the states its much easier to earn bonus miles on AAdvantage over Executive Club. Now I have ~40K BA miles, ~6K AA miles, and I'm not sure which one to keep pursuing. Any thoughts? I don't really fly enough to try to get status on either, but I feel like AA is a better choice because I'm usually flying out of ORD and then I also don't have to deal with Tier Points trying to get status.
Jul 27, 2010 | 2:08 pm
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Thanks, UA Fan . So that means that if I wanted to get an award ticket, say, ORD-STT, I could stop in MIA for a couple of days on the way? What does it consider as an AA hub? Obviously, ORD/DTW/MIA, but what about BOS or JFK?
Jul 27, 2010 | 2:31 pm
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aa.com shows PHX-PHL going through DFW and ORD. I could stop at both DFW and ORD. You are almost getting two tickets in one award. But you need to have definitive plans as BA does not allow any changes 24 hours prior to departure.