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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 4:44 pm
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Any oneworld connection americas/afrika?

Is it possible to get a connection between Americas & Afrika without touching Europe? A land segment can be used with DONE?
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 5:17 pm
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Not on OW metal, AFAIK. One needs to transit through another continent to get from the Americas to Africa - Europe, Asia, or SWP.
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 7:14 pm
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Originally Posted by marmando
Is it possible to get a connection between Americas & Afrika without touching Europe? A land segment can be used with DONE?
As already said, there are no flights which can be used on a xONEx. We were all excited when a couple of years back a flight was showing in the timetables but it turned out it was only some testing and the flight wasn't real.

In regards to surface sectors: In principal they are allowed. However, surface sectors between T2 (Africa/Europe) and T1 (North/South America) are not allowed unless you started your journey in South West Pacific.
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Old Jul 8, 2010 | 1:24 am
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Originally Posted by marmando
Is it possible to get a connection between Americas & Afrika without touching Europe?
No oneworld member has a flight across the south Atlantic. This is the reason why xONE3's are not available from the Southern Hemisphere.
It won't be possible unless MX, AA or LA starts a nonstop flight to Africa or QF did something like extending QF17/18 and/or QF63/64 for a EZE-JNB leg.
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Old Jul 14, 2010 | 5:31 pm
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Not on OW metal, AFAIK. One needs to transit through another continent to get from the Americas to Africa - Europe, Asia, or SWP.
Thanks everybody.
So, if I understand, I am allowed to make something like this:
JNB/SWP/SOUTH AND NORTH AMERICA/Transit SYD/JNB.
Thanks
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Old Jul 14, 2010 | 6:05 pm
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Originally Posted by marmando
Thanks everybody.
So, if I understand, I am allowed to make something like this:
JNB/SWP/SOUTH AND NORTH AMERICA/Transit SYD/JNB.
Thanks
I don't think so. Circle Pacific fares don't include Africa, and there's no Atlantic crossing to make it a *ONE* fare. Which Oneworld product were you looking at?
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Old Jul 14, 2010 | 6:24 pm
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Surface sectors don't matter with regard to how many continents are counted. If a continent is touched, it counts; or in the case of ORD-DEL, Europe counts even if it isn't touched.
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Old Jul 14, 2010 | 7:54 pm
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While surface sectors are generally allowed, certain intercontinental surface sectors are specifically prohibited. As a result you cannot travel between Africa and the Americas by surface segment if that is what you were asking originally (or the Americas and and any other continent other than S. America for that matter unless one originates in the SWP, see the exception below).

(g) Intermediate surface sectors are permitted at the passenger’s expense. Transoceanic surface sectors between TC1-TC2 and TC1-TC3 are not permitted.
EXCEPTION: For travel originating in the South West Pacific, one transoceanic surface sector between TC1-TC2 or TC1-TC3 is permitted.
http://www.oneworld.com/content/libr...are%20rule.pdf

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Old Jul 14, 2010 | 9:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
Surface sectors don't matter with regard to how many continents are counted. If a continent is touched, it counts; or in the case of ORD-DEL, Europe counts even if it isn't touched.
Thats what we all thought. However we just established that this is actually not correct and Europe is not counted:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...ly-better.html
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Old Jul 14, 2010 | 9:55 pm
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Originally Posted by marmando
Thanks everybody.
So, if I understand, I am allowed to make something like this:
JNB/SWP/SOUTH AND NORTH AMERICA/Transit SYD/JNB.
Thanks
Not on a OWE explorer ticket, such as a DONEn ex-Africa


Your /Transit SYD/ above was your attempt to get around this, but:
- you must cross the Atlantic
- you cannot revisit SWP
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Old Jul 14, 2010 | 11:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
Surface sectors don't matter with regard to how many continents are counted. If a continent is touched, it counts; or in the case of ORD-DEL, Europe counts even if it isn't touched.
Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer
Thats what we all thought. However we just established that this is actually not correct and Europe is not counted:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...ly-better.html
Yep, with the way the rules are written, a segment between ORD and DEL is not considered as 'touching' Europe - it just invokes a minimum continental charge. The wording is:
Nonstop transatlanticTravel on AA between DEL and ORD is permitted.

For travel ex South America/South West Pacific- when this service is utilised a minimum of a 4 Continent Fare must be charged.

For travel ex North America/Asia - when this service is utilised a minimum of a 3 continent fare must be charged.
So one can do SWP-ASIA-xNA-SA-NA-SWP; satisfying both the SWP 4 continent rule and the 4 continent ORD/DEL&SWP/SA rule.
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