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marmando Jul 7, 2010 4:44 pm

Any oneworld connection americas/afrika?
 
Is it possible to get a connection between Americas & Afrika without touching Europe? A land segment can be used with DONE?

norse_aztec Jul 7, 2010 5:17 pm

Not on OW metal, AFAIK. One needs to transit through another continent to get from the Americas to Africa - Europe, Asia, or SWP.

DownUnderFlyer Jul 7, 2010 7:14 pm


Originally Posted by marmando (Post 14260522)
Is it possible to get a connection between Americas & Afrika without touching Europe? A land segment can be used with DONE?

As already said, there are no flights which can be used on a xONEx. We were all excited when a couple of years back a flight was showing in the timetables but it turned out it was only some testing and the flight wasn't real.

In regards to surface sectors: In principal they are allowed. However, surface sectors between T2 (Africa/Europe) and T1 (North/South America) are not allowed unless you started your journey in South West Pacific.

Himeno Jul 8, 2010 1:24 am


Originally Posted by marmando (Post 14260522)
Is it possible to get a connection between Americas & Afrika without touching Europe?

No oneworld member has a flight across the south Atlantic. This is the reason why xONE3's are not available from the Southern Hemisphere.
It won't be possible unless MX, AA or LA starts a nonstop flight to Africa or QF did something like extending QF17/18 and/or QF63/64 for a EZE-JNB leg.

marmando Jul 14, 2010 5:31 pm


Originally Posted by norse_aztec (Post 14260684)
Not on OW metal, AFAIK. One needs to transit through another continent to get from the Americas to Africa - Europe, Asia, or SWP.

Thanks everybody.
So, if I understand, I am allowed to make something like this:
JNB/SWP/SOUTH AND NORTH AMERICA/Transit SYD/JNB.
Thanks

skipaway Jul 14, 2010 6:05 pm


Originally Posted by marmando (Post 14301423)
Thanks everybody.
So, if I understand, I am allowed to make something like this:
JNB/SWP/SOUTH AND NORTH AMERICA/Transit SYD/JNB.
Thanks

I don't think so. Circle Pacific fares don't include Africa, and there's no Atlantic crossing to make it a *ONE* fare. Which Oneworld product were you looking at?

Gardyloo Jul 14, 2010 6:24 pm

Surface sectors don't matter with regard to how many continents are counted. If a continent is touched, it counts; or in the case of ORD-DEL, Europe counts even if it isn't touched.

jerry a. laska Jul 14, 2010 7:54 pm

While surface sectors are generally allowed, certain intercontinental surface sectors are specifically prohibited. As a result you cannot travel between Africa and the Americas by surface segment if that is what you were asking originally (or the Americas and and any other continent other than S. America for that matter unless one originates in the SWP, see the exception below).


(g) Intermediate surface sectors are permitted at the passenger’s expense. Transoceanic surface sectors between TC1-TC2 and TC1-TC3 are not permitted.
EXCEPTION: For travel originating in the South West Pacific, one transoceanic surface sector between TC1-TC2 or TC1-TC3 is permitted.
http://www.oneworld.com/content/libr...are%20rule.pdf

DownUnderFlyer Jul 14, 2010 9:55 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 14301701)
Surface sectors don't matter with regard to how many continents are counted. If a continent is touched, it counts; or in the case of ORD-DEL, Europe counts even if it isn't touched.

Thats what we all thought. However we just established that this is actually not correct and Europe is not counted:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...ly-better.html

pandaperth Jul 14, 2010 9:55 pm


Originally Posted by marmando (Post 14301423)
Thanks everybody.
So, if I understand, I am allowed to make something like this:
JNB/SWP/SOUTH AND NORTH AMERICA/Transit SYD/JNB.
Thanks

Not on a OWE explorer ticket, such as a DONEn ex-Africa


Your /Transit SYD/ above was your attempt to get around this, but:
- you must cross the Atlantic
- you cannot revisit SWP

serfty Jul 14, 2010 11:57 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 14301701)
Surface sectors don't matter with regard to how many continents are counted. If a continent is touched, it counts; or in the case of ORD-DEL, Europe counts even if it isn't touched.


Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer (Post 14302859)
Thats what we all thought. However we just established that this is actually not correct and Europe is not counted:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...ly-better.html

Yep, with the way the rules are written, a segment between ORD and DEL is not considered as 'touching' Europe - it just invokes a minimum continental charge. The wording is:

Nonstop transatlanticTravel on AA between DEL and ORD is permitted.

For travel ex South America/South West Pacific- when this service is utilised a minimum of a 4 Continent Fare must be charged.

For travel ex North America/Asia - when this service is utilised a minimum of a 3 continent fare must be charged.
So one can do SWP-ASIA-xNA-SA-NA-SWP; satisfying both the SWP 4 continent rule and the 4 continent ORD/DEL&SWP/SA rule.


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