Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Miles&Points > Global Airline Alliances > oneworld
Reload this Page >

A virgin AONE4 itinerary (for my 40th)! - tips and pointers please?

Community
Wiki Posts
Search

A virgin AONE4 itinerary (for my 40th)! - tips and pointers please?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 26, 2009 | 6:44 am
  #16  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: None any more
Posts: 11,017
Some observations:

SFO-BOS is crappy F. SFO to JFK is proper F, albeit for a few less miles.

SYD-HKG-LHR is using an extra segment just to get CX on HKG-LHR. To be honest I reckon if you can get a QF 380 on SYD-LHR then go with that an use the other segment somewhere else.

How about:
ORD - (MIA) - JFK (-24 hrs)[AA A, 757; 767]
JKF - HKG [CX F, 777]
HKG - KIX [CX F, 744]
KIX - BKK [JL D, 777]
BKK - NRT [JL D, 777]
NRT - SIN [JL D, 777]
SIN - NRT [JL]
NRT - SYD [JL]
SYD - LHR [QF A, 380]
LHR - MCT [BA A, 777]
MCT - (LHR) - IST [BA A, 777; BA D, 320]
IST - (LHR) - SFO [BA D, 320; A, 744]
SFO - JFK [AA A, 762]

Or substitute the SIN-NRT-SYD in J for a SIN-HKG-SYD in CX/QF A (depending on timing).
christep is offline  
Old Oct 26, 2009 | 5:34 pm
  #17  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
Programs: Mucci of the Dominion of Maple and Moose; Keeper of Sir MightyMoose; BAEC Silver; AC MileagePlus
Posts: 1,311
Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer
What do you mean by "hoping that more JL availability comes up"? You mean more F routes? Or more availability in F? And if the latter, how can you check, since Dec 2010 is too far away.
While I'm trying out dummy bookings on JL, everything is in D - transcon or intra-asia! I know for a fact JL has a new F product ex-JFK and SFO, but it doesn't show up for some reason (can't be full ALREADY - i've tried March 10, Jun 10, Sept 10).

As Moomba says, perhaps they're withholding seats until closer to the flights?
Capricorn70 is offline  
Old Oct 26, 2009 | 5:56 pm
  #18  
Moderator: Asiana & Qantas Frequent Flyer
50 Countries Visited
3M
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: STR/SYD/SMF
Programs: QF LTG / P1 , LH LT SEN / HON, OZ LT Diamond +, Marriott LT PT, HH Diamond,
Posts: 15,149
Originally Posted by Capricorn70
While I'm trying out dummy bookings on JL, everything is in D - transcon or intra-asia! I know for a fact JL has a new F product ex-JFK and SFO, but it doesn't show up for some reason (can't be full ALREADY - i've tried March 10, Jun 10, Sept 10).

As Moomba says, perhaps they're withholding seats until closer to the flights?
Christep is giving some good advice in regards to the quality of the F product within the US. 767s are best on AA.

In regards to JL, this is what I see:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.1.2/Platinum - Sabre: Availability/GTC/US-CRPD1]
Code:
JFK  New York John F Kennedy Int'l NY US [KJFK]
NRT  Tokyo Narita JP [RJAA]
MON  14 Jun 2010

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------
JL         5       JFK   13:10     NRT   16:10 +1  773  0   F6 A0 C9 J9 D0 I9 Y9 W9 E2 B9 H9 K9 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0
So it seems they are not making D or A available yet. But if you waitlist I guess it will come through so this is nothing you can do online.
DownUnderFlyer is offline  
Old Oct 26, 2009 | 5:58 pm
  #19  
Moderator: Asiana & Qantas Frequent Flyer
50 Countries Visited
3M
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: STR/SYD/SMF
Programs: QF LTG / P1 , LH LT SEN / HON, OZ LT Diamond +, Marriott LT PT, HH Diamond,
Posts: 15,149
Originally Posted by christep
Or substitute the SIN-NRT-SYD in J for a SIN-HKG-SYD in CX/QF A (depending on timing).
The problem with this is that SIN-HKG in F is half the BAEC TP compared to SIN-NRT in J.
DownUnderFlyer is offline  
Old Oct 26, 2009 | 7:40 pm
  #20  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
Programs: Mucci of the Dominion of Maple and Moose; Keeper of Sir MightyMoose; BAEC Silver; AC MileagePlus
Posts: 1,311
Codeshare flights

Thanks again for the info everyone!^

When it comes to codeshare flights, does it make a difference which carrier's flight no. I book on? Say JFK-HKG, on CX triple7 - *AA codeshare no. or CX's proper? Similarly, SIN-SYD, QF A380 (*BA vs QF)?

Also found a few more 2000+ miles sectors in Asia on CX: HKG-CGK; HKG-CTS. Although they're not really places I want to visit.

NRT - (SIN) - SYD is also a superior routing to NRT-SYD. Now it's a matter of finding out if JL has F on NRT-SIN (old-style?)

Last edited by Capricorn70; Oct 26, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Capricorn70 is offline  
Old Oct 26, 2009 | 9:04 pm
  #21  
Moderator: Asiana & Qantas Frequent Flyer
50 Countries Visited
3M
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: STR/SYD/SMF
Programs: QF LTG / P1 , LH LT SEN / HON, OZ LT Diamond +, Marriott LT PT, HH Diamond,
Posts: 15,149
Codeshares can matter a little bit. The main difference can be in terms of earning for your Frequent Flyer Program (so all of us QF members will always book AA codes over CX codes as we get bonus miles). The only other thing is that a codeshare might affect your chances of an op-up which is not really relevant for you.

Also be aware that CX regional can be quite bad, IMHO JL will be much better.

And I think there is no JL F to SIN currently.
DownUnderFlyer is offline  
Old Oct 26, 2009 | 11:29 pm
  #22  
Moderator, OneWorld
40 Countries Visited
2M
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: SEA
Programs: RAA RIP; AA ExEXP
Posts: 12,525
Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer
Also be aware that CX regional can be quite bad, IMHO JL will be much better.

And I think there is no JL F to SIN currently.
Last time I went NRT-SIN-NRT in J on JL it was an ancient 744 with fuzzy old seats and lousy IFE. JL has too many seating configurations to make planning far ahead very easy.

I know the OP wants to start/end in the US, but feel obliged to mention that there are places where the cost of an AONE4 will be quite a lot cheaper (e.g. AMM) than the US - with savings that might justify the access flights.

Again, the timing's pretty far out, but it might be worth it to consider going NA > SWP > Asia and have a chance of taking QF's A380 across the Pacific as well as an Asia > Europe segment. ...LAX-SYD...SIN-LHR... for example.
Gardyloo is offline  
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 10:49 am
  #23  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
Programs: Mucci of the Dominion of Maple and Moose; Keeper of Sir MightyMoose; BAEC Silver; AC MileagePlus
Posts: 1,311
A tweaked itin. now looks like this, and a few extra questions please:

jfk-hkg-syd-akl-hkg-nrt-bkk-kix-sin-lhr-mct-lhr-ist-lhr-lax-mia-jfk

2280 BAEC TPs; 56110 miles

Q1: [JFK- (HKG) - SYD: CX 777; QF 744]: This counts as 1 segment on the WO booking tool, but I will get credited for the TPs on BOTH legs separately, correct? (180+180=360)

Q2: [SYD - AKL: D on LA 340]: Is there no F on LA? Is D a good (hard and soft) product?

Q3a and b: [KIX - SIN: D on JL 777]: a) Does JL operate F on this route? b) If I could find a connection via HKG on CX in A on one of the legs, would this count as 2 segments or 1?

Q4: [LAX - MIA: F on AA 767]: Is F on the 767s better than the 757s?

Q5: The mileage quoted on MileageMonkey is actual miles flown? I'll have to factor in cabin bonus on BA for the grand total then?

Any further tips on maximising TPs and miles would be much appreciated too!

Thanks again!!

Last edited by Capricorn70; Oct 31, 2009 at 10:55 am
Capricorn70 is offline  
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 11:10 am
  #24  
Moderator, OneWorld
40 Countries Visited
2M
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: SEA
Programs: RAA RIP; AA ExEXP
Posts: 12,525
Originally Posted by Capricorn70
A tweaked itin. now looks like this, and a few extra questions please:

jfk-hkg-syd-akl-hkg-nrt-bkk-kix-sin-lhr-mct-lhr-ist-lhr-lax-mia-jfk

2280 BAEC TPs; 56110 miles

Q1: [JFK- (HKG) - SYD: CX 777; QF 744]: This counts as 1 segment on the WO booking tool, but I will get credited for the TPs on BOTH legs separately, correct? (180+180=360)

Q2: [SYD - AKL: D on LA 340]: Is there no F on LA? Is D a good (hard and soft) product?

Q3a and b: [KIX - SIN: D on JL 777]: a) Does JL operate F n this route? b) If I could find a connection via HKG on CX in A on one of the legs, would this count as 2 segments or 1?

Q4: [LAX - MIA: F on AA 767]: Is F on the 767s better than the 757s?

Q5: The mileage quoted on MileageMonkey is actual miles flown? I'll have to factor in cabin bonus on BA for the grand total then?

Any further tips on maximising TPs and miles would be much appreciated too!

Thanks again!!
1. JFK-HKG-SYD will be two segments, and probably won't be allowed as the current interpretation of the "second Asia entry" appears to be that it's only valid in conjunction with a SWP < > Europe itinerary, not N. America < > SWP. In order to have NA > SWP > Asia as your general itinerary, you'd have to go from a N. American gateway (JFK/LAX/SFO/HNL) directly to Oz/NZ and not via HKG.

2. Lan has discontinued first class. Their J product is very good, but IMO not necessarily that much better than QF's. QF has a lot more flights between AKL and Oz, so potentially more convenient.

3a. No FC on KIX-SIN or anywhere else from KIX that I can see on JL. For the time being it seems the only intra-Asia services to/from Japan that have F are HKG-KIX (CX) and NRT-HKG (both JL and CX.) But as noted it's a changing picture, and counting on intra-Asia F in the future looks pretty dicey.

3b. Every time a flight number changes, it's another segment.

4. Very much better. However LAX-MIA often operates with 777 equipment, so F gets Flagship Suites, some of the best FC chairs going.

5. Mileage Monkey is usually close, but not guaranteed. COS and elite bonuses depend on your FF plan.
Gardyloo is offline  
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 11:57 am
  #25  
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London, UK
Programs: AA 2MM - PLT, BA GGL, SPG Plat, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 6,221
Originally Posted by Gardyloo
1. JFK-HKG-SYD will be two segments, and probably won't be allowed as the current interpretation of the "second Asia entry" appears to be that it's only valid in conjunction with a SWP < > Europe itinerary, not N. America < > SWP. In order to have NA > SWP > Asia as your general itinerary, you'd have to go from a N. American gateway (JFK/LAX/SFO/HNL) directly to Oz/NZ and not via HKG.
If our MLF re-ordered his Asia SWP so that the SE Asia flights were prior to Oz then he could fly direct SYD via SIN to LHR using the second Aisa entry rule.

Last edited by Moomba; Oct 31, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Moomba is offline  
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 4:24 pm
  #26  
Moderator, Hilton Honors
Conversation Starter
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: on a short leash
Programs: some
Posts: 71,445
Originally Posted by Gardyloo
1. JFK-HKG-SYD will be two segments, and probably won't be allowed as the current interpretation of the "second Asia entry" appears to be that it's only valid in conjunction with a SWP < > Europe itinerary, not N. America < > SWP. In order to have NA > SWP > Asia as your general itinerary, you'd have to go from a N. American gateway (JFK/LAX/SFO/HNL) directly to Oz/NZ and not via HKG.
The RTW booking tool appears to accept it, passes the validation checks ... but I've never successfully ticketed with this kind of itinerary with a generic error message at the final payment step. It's taken me a while to work out what is going on but the common element is this kind of routing, when I removed it the ticketing went through fine.
Kiwi Flyer is offline  
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 5:17 pm
  #27  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
Programs: Mucci of the Dominion of Maple and Moose; Keeper of Sir MightyMoose; BAEC Silver; AC MileagePlus
Posts: 1,311
Yep - I dummy booked it and it was validated on OW's tool as well as on Mileage Monkey.

Is 56110 miles about the best I can do? I think the intra-Asia segments are about as maximised as I can.

Is there a way to maximise intra-Europe? Shame I can't do both MCT and TLV ex-LHR.
Capricorn70 is offline  
Old Nov 1, 2009 | 3:34 am
  #28  
Moderator: Asiana & Qantas Frequent Flyer
50 Countries Visited
3M
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: STR/SYD/SMF
Programs: QF LTG / P1 , LH LT SEN / HON, OZ LT Diamond +, Marriott LT PT, HH Diamond,
Posts: 15,149
Originally Posted by Capricorn70
Yep - I dummy booked it and it was validated on OW's tool as well as on Mileage Monkey.

Is 56110 miles about the best I can do? I think the intra-Asia segments are about as maximised as I can.

Is there a way to maximise intra-Europe? Shame I can't do both MCT and TLV ex-LHR.
I think you have maxed the European flights. There are much longer flights with in Asia but they don't have F.

Without any logical reason, I also see a risk that AKL-HKG might not have F anymore by the time you fly.
DownUnderFlyer is offline  
Old Nov 1, 2009 | 9:00 am
  #29  
Moderator, OneWorld
40 Countries Visited
2M
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: SEA
Programs: RAA RIP; AA ExEXP
Posts: 12,525
Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer
Without any logical reason, I also see a risk that AKL-HKG might not have F anymore by the time you fly.
It didn't last time I flew it - 3 class plane sold as 2 class. One or two (I presume CX Emeralds) sat up front in the big chairs, but nobody else. J was packed, as was Y.
Gardyloo is offline  
Old Nov 1, 2009 | 11:33 am
  #30  
Moderator, Hilton Honors
Conversation Starter
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: on a short leash
Programs: some
Posts: 71,445
Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer
I think you have maxed the European flights. There are much longer flights with in Asia but they don't have F.

Without any logical reason, I also see a risk that AKL-HKG might not have F anymore by the time you fly.
F on AKL-HKG is only sold for the peak southern summer season.
Kiwi Flyer is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.