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Sep 9, 2009, 3:48 pm

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Originally Posted by DTWflyer

MKG, PLN, YXU are down to 2x a day
YQT goes down to 1x a day

Looks like DTW-YXU is 3 a day.

Sep 9, 2009, 3:50 pm

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Originally Posted by bmchris

How do they return the planes to Sweden? Do they fly them with multiple stops? Or ship them by sea with the wings detached from fueslage? Something I always wondered about...

Planes will likely stay in NA. If not, they fly point to point. Occasionaly they have extra fuel tanks.

Sep 9, 2009, 4:46 pm

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They will fly bak to Sweden, the same way they came to the states. They'll go via Canada, Iceland and then into Sweden. This is of course, saab doesn't remarket them here in the states.

Sep 9, 2009, 5:27 pm

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Originally Posted by bmchris

How do they return the planes to Sweden? Do they fly them with multiple stops? Or ship them by sea with the wings detached from fueslage? Something I always wondered about...

They'll probably ferry to Kingman, Arizona (IGM) where Saab has parked much of the American Eagle fleet that was returned to them.

Sep 10, 2009, 10:29 am

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SF3 flights into PAH were just reduced from 4x to 2x, and DL filed a termination notice with the FAA unless they get a $1M a year EAS contract to continue the 2 flights. UA has bid $570k for the same contract, so it looks like we'll be getting UA CRJ's at this point.

Interesting to note that PAH has never had a EAS contract and the NW flights are always oversold.

Sep 10, 2009, 11:05 am

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Interesting to note that PAH has never had a EAS contract and the NW flights are always oversold.

Sep 10, 2009, 12:48 pm

#22

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Well, I once looked out the window of my hotel room in Reykavik (located at the old domestic airport) and was surprised to see a Mesaba Saab (remember the checkerboard taxi theme?) parked outside my window.

Yes, they travel accross, probably Sweden-Scotland-Ireland-Iceland-Greenland-Canada etc..

Sep 15, 2009, 11:58 pm

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Incorrect. Its 5 during the weekday and on sat its 4 and sunday its 3 flights.... On October 19th, I'll be taking use of this rather nice connection. STC recently upgraded its terminal and is the process of adding one jetway capable of supporting SF3 up to B738/A32x. STC has a wide area to pull from that would rather prefer no to drive to MSP or to BRD. BRD is EAS...right? However, STC has never been operated EAS.

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Originally Posted by fti

Same with STC-MSP - three flights a day, 62 miles, 48-50 minutes gate-to-gate and 15-20 minutes in the air.

Sep 16, 2009, 8:17 am

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Originally Posted by BIMMERKID2

I am not here to argue with you but here is what I see on a random weekday in Oct:

Thu Oct 15
NW3125 MSPSTC1020A 1108A SF3* 0
NW3252 MSPSTC 337P 420P SF3* 0
NW3256 MSPSTC1020P 1106P SF3* 0

Same shows every other date I checked, even into next summer. If you want to disagree, fine. Please state your source.

Sep 16, 2009, 8:22 am

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Well only Delta knows the inside scoop on the Saab numbers. Perhaps NW really took Saab to the mat during BK; and Saab sought to get well during the lease renegotiation?

This was a strategic decision by Delta. Perhaps Delta got greedy and sought additional government subsidy for the captive NW markets. I've heard some rumors that the EAS bidding is not going well for Delta.

Thankfully it appears that other carriers are stepping forward to assume the Delta (Mesaba)flying (which some purport to be comparitively juicy) under EAS.

Sep 16, 2009, 11:09 am

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Heres the sched. ex STC: (From stc website....however some of the times have been moved around lately.)

Departures

Flight Departs From Arrives
3249 6:30 AM STC 7:17 AM at MSP
3253 11:31 AM STC 12:19 PM at MSP
3247 4:41 PM STC 5:32 PM at MSP
3225 6:40 PM STC 7:31 PM at MSP

Flight 3247 and Flight 3225 do not operate on Saturdays

(however the same # of arrivals are held inbound) Sunday both RON a/c do the next days first two dep flights on Sunday. Sundays I usually see at least two saabs in STC at the same time at one point in the day.

Arrivals

Flight Departs From Arrives
3125 10:25 AM MSP 11:11 AM at STC
3252 3:35 PM MSP 4:21 PM at STC
3210 5:25 PM MSP 6:11 PM at STC
3256 10:20 PM MSP 11:06PM at STC

http://www.stcloudairport.com/airlines/schedules.aspx

http://www.stcloudairport.com/airlines/default.aspx

One reason why one of the flghts rarely shows up on fare availability is that it is supposedly always notoriously booked solid/oversold, which is the NW3210 from my list MSP-STC ..same is true for NW3225 STC-MSP

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Sep 16, 2009, 11:18 am

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Originally Posted by BIMMERKID2

Heres the sched. ex STC:

Departures

Flight Departs From Arrives
3249 6:30 AM STC 7:17 AM at MSP
3253 11:31 AM STC 12:19 PM at MSP
3247 4:41 PM STC 5:32 PM at MSP
3225 6:40 PM STC 7:31 PM at MSP

Flight 3247 and Flight 3225 do not operate on Saturdays

(however the same # of arrivals are held inbound) Sunday both RON a/c do the next days first two dep flights on Sunday. Sundays I usually see at least two saabs in STC at the same time at one point in the day.

Arrivals

Flight Departs From Arrives
3125 10:25 AM MSP 11:11 AM at STC
3252 3:35 PM MSP 4:21 PM at STC
3210 5:25 PM MSP 6:11 PM at STC
3256 10:20 PM MSP 11:06PM at STC

http://www.stcloudairport.com/airlines/schedules.aspx

http://www.stcloudairport.com/airlines/default.aspx

Well, we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Every BOOKABLE source I have checked only shows THREE departures/arrivals in STC per day. I guess any website can post anything they want. So many people believe everything they read on websites (not just the STC website - in general - I see this over and over again). And even if what you posted were true, four departures is not five.

Try booking NW3210 MSP-STC with the 5.25pm departure and let me know what you come up with for a date and price. Same with NW3225 STC-MSP

I stand by my posts.

John

Last edited by fti; Sep 16, 2009 at 11:23 am

Sep 16, 2009, 11:26 am

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Originally Posted by ATP Pilot

Interesting to note that PAH has never had a EAS contract and the NW flights are always oversold.

'Never' is a long time.

http://www.airlineinfo.com/Sites/Dai...rder920356.pdf

Sep 16, 2009, 6:17 pm

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Originally Posted by raehl311

It's already happening. EAU is down from 4 flights a day to 2. CMX is down to 2.

EAU-MSP was always a luxury when the drive is 90 minutes; I've always been amazed there is air service at all when it would be far more efficient to code-share a shuttle bus.

Yep, and remember that it was just a few years ago that that short EAU-MSP route was serviced by CRJs as well as Saabs...