Delta moving A332 to SLC-NRT
Nov 13, 2008, 9:15 am
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Here's the Great Circle Map for these trips:
Atlanta-Ladabo 6997 miles
Atlanta-Luanda 6260
Atlanta-Abuja 5978 miles
Atlanta-Monrovia 5068 miles
757's on these routes will have refueling stops.Atlanta-Luanda 6260
Atlanta-Abuja 5978 miles
Atlanta-Monrovia 5068 miles
At least ATL-JNB is a 777. That sounds to be a true non-stop.
And what do we not see? ex-DTW/MEM/MSP?
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Nov 13, 2008, 10:53 am
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I'll venture and guess that the reason there are no new MSP routes right now is that Delta is holding the MAC deal over the state's head, and won't do anything new until they get what they want.
Nov 13, 2008, 10:55 am
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NRT-SLC is 5451 miles, the same distance as NRT-LAX. I was always under the impression that NRT-LAX was too far for the 332, at least certain times of the year given weather in the north pacific.
On top of that, SLC is both at a high altitude and gets quite hot in the summer, which could result at times in weight restrictions.
Anyway, just curious to what extent these are limiting concerns. Back when I flew United, that was also the explanation given for why there was no DEN-NRT service.
On top of that, SLC is both at a high altitude and gets quite hot in the summer, which could result at times in weight restrictions.
Anyway, just curious to what extent these are limiting concerns. Back when I flew United, that was also the explanation given for why there was no DEN-NRT service.
Nov 13, 2008, 10:59 am
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NRT-SLC is 5451 miles, the same distance as NRT-LAX. I was always under the impression that NRT-LAX was too far for the 332, at least certain times of the year given weather in the north pacific.
On top of that, SLC is both at a high altitude and gets quite hot in the summer, which could result at times in weight restrictions.
Anyway, just curious to what extent these are limiting concerns. Back when I flew United, that was also the explanation given for why there was no DEN-NRT service.
On top of that, SLC is both at a high altitude and gets quite hot in the summer, which could result at times in weight restrictions.
Anyway, just curious to what extent these are limiting concerns. Back when I flew United, that was also the explanation given for why there was no DEN-NRT service.
The 332 should comfortably be able to handle SLC-NRT, where the 333 might drop into the ocean.
Nov 13, 2008, 7:34 pm
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As I recall, those published ranges are still air ranges. There are strong headwinds a lot of the time over the northern Pacific. I remember it being stated here when the A330s were deployed on the Pacific routes that SFO was close to the limits (at 5,124 statute miles) of the A332 at times on the westbound flight to NRT, and that LAX-NRT westbound would be too long for the range of the A332 when the winds were up.
Nov 13, 2008, 8:34 pm
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My god...the reratively friendly citizens of Utah are in for a culture shock once they experience NW cabin crew.
Nov 13, 2008, 8:54 pm
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There are still brake inertia ratings and tire speed ratings. Runway length doesn't overcome these - only lightening the load from passenger and cargo restrictions making the flight uneconomic will do.
Nov 14, 2008, 5:50 am
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Any idea where the NRT landing/takeoff slots are coming from to fund the new flights? There must be something coming off the schedule
Nov 14, 2008, 8:47 am
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Some of the threads point to cargo slots being used, and considering as some have pointed out that NW lost the DHL contract, they may be able to free these up.
Nov 14, 2008, 8:48 am
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As I recall, those published ranges are still air ranges. There are strong headwinds a lot of the time over the northern Pacific. I remember it being stated here when the A330s were deployed on the Pacific routes that SFO was close to the limits (at 5,124 statute miles) of the A332 at times on the westbound flight to NRT, and that LAX-NRT westbound would be too long for the range of the A332 when the winds were up.
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Nov 14, 2008, 9:55 am
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Dec 14, 2008, 8:00 am
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I apologize for expanding the scope of this thread, but I need to take this direct SLC-NRT flight in late October. However, the outbound schedule given me by the NW web (starting in OKC) leaves only 50 minutes in NRT to catch my flight to my final destination, HKG.
How is that possible considering that the incoming flight could be late and whatever distance there is between arrival and departures gates at NRT plus the transfer procedure required there?
How is that possible considering that the incoming flight could be late and whatever distance there is between arrival and departures gates at NRT plus the transfer procedure required there?
Dec 14, 2008, 8:28 am
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Dec 15, 2008, 7:27 am
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What would happen if I miss the conneciton in NRT? Would DL put me in a hotel and then the same flight the next day (evening only) or would then use a different carrier at whatever time?