I wonder what sort of timeline ground staff, such as CSAs, are on for new uniforms?

Based on published comments from their Union president, I would say that the CSA's (those that are still true NW employees and not contracted help) are on more of a timeline for labor turmoil than they are for anything else. While management now seems to be taking a "done deal" approach to the whole merger issue, the Union for the CSA's has taken a different stance.

Time will tell.....

I'll bite, that would be what union?

If the IAM were smart, they'd realize they could be easily locked out at the first sign of trouble. While its difficult to replace CSAs and baggage handlers for several stations overnight, its not impossible (hey, it worked with mechanics) and on a totally different magnitude of replacing pilots or flight attendants.

Watch out for DGS job fairs in DTW and MSP.

I suppose the real question is as follows: what provisions are in place in the contracts to safeguard union employees in the event of a merger?

The NW pilots unions always stated that their contract had good safeguards to protect them; given the current status quo I have to believe this was true.

As to the Mechanics, FAs, Rampers, and CSAs I'm curous if their contracts protect them?

Here's what's taken from the Merger Agreement docs (pg 82) I got yesterday... (bolding mine) Though it sounds like if 15,000 DL FA's + 8,000 NW FA's "merge" and have a vote to decide union representation... and it gets voted down (eg. all DL FA's say no), then NW's union representation would be terminated... just a guess tho...

I'll wear whatever they give me. The uniform I'll be wearing is the least of my concerns.

That's the way the law works, but one can remove some of the ifs:

If NW & DL merge,

then the FA work groups will merge

and there will be an election or signature card drive to determine union representation of the combined group. There's a simple threshhold, noted on a CWA site:

Under current NMB rules, when one non-union work group merges with a union group, if 35 percent of combined workforce has union representation or signs a union card, a union election will automatically be called. That vote is expected to occur in early 2009.


In one of those 'Which Side are You On?' questions, one can view this as an opportunity to drive out the NW FA union, or to pull the DL FAs into the union embrace.

To answer hazelrah's question, other NW union groups will work under existing contracts to the modification date (if not reaching a new agreement with DL), with a call for an election as noted above.

So...what happens if 35% of the combined workforce is not represented by a union?

I ask....as at the rate that DL is hiring new FAs.......if those approximate numbers listed (15K DL and 8K NW) are close to an accurate representation of the number of FAs that currently work for DL and NW, then DL will eventually have more than twice as many FAs as NW........quite likely before the two workgroups are merged.

A.J.

Edit: As it stands right now with those numbers......the 8000 NW FAs would already amount to less than 35% of the total number of FAs.

Very true.

It's just that this is yet another signal of impending catastrophe for us NW fliers. (And possibly employees - I can't comment on that).

NW/DL and now the NMB are doing everything they can to ensure that a union does not make it to DL. Needless to say, the NW are getting more than a little miffed.

"After merger, Delta may get U.S. aid to foil unions
Labor agency�s plan would make elections only organizing option
By John Hughes
Bloomberg News
Published: August 16, 2008

Delta Air Lines Inc. would find it easier to block union drives after its merger with Northwest Airlines Corp. under a U.S. labor agency�s proposal, a flight attendants group said.
The National Mediation Board plan would bar one organizing tactic, submitting signature cards in favor of representation, and leave elections as the only option, Pat Friend, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA, said this week.

�It looks very suspicious that they are doing it now, because they are going to help Delta destroy collective bargaining rights,� Friend said of the NMB in an interview.

The board is taking comments on its proposal as labor groups prepare to organize Delta, the third-largest U.S. carrier, once it buys Northwest later this year. Northwest�s major work groups are all in unions while only pilots are represented at Delta, the least-unionized major U.S. airline.

The NMB, a Washington-based federal agency that helps resolve labor disputes, has never let workers use cards alone to gain union membership, unless management backs the effort, Chairman Read Van de Water said this week.

The proposal �is merely stating the practice of the agency for the past 20 years,� Van de Water said. �The board has never let authorization cards be used for anything other than an election without carrier agreement.�

Delta has no comment on the NMB plan, spokeswoman Betsy Talton said in an e-mail. Delta�s all-stock acquisition of Northwest, based in Eagan, Minn., which was announced April 14, would create the world�s largest airline.

Attendants at Atlanta-based Delta fell short in May in their second election in six years to join Friend�s union. Only 40 percent of the 13,380 eligible attendants voted, and the turnout needed for certification was 50 percent plus one.

Northwest has about 8,500 attendants who are represented by the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA.

A second mediation board move also will stunt organizing, said Ed Wytkind, president of the AFL-CIO�s transportation trades department. He cited the NMB plan to require that a union would need to represent �more than a substantial majority� of the combined work group in a merger to extend that status to non-union employees.

�This is a gift to the airline industry, and it�s designed to make it much more difficult for workers to retain their collective-bargaining rights,� Wytkind said in an interview.

Van de Water said the changes aren�t prompted by Delta- Northwest, and the �substantial majority� language wouldn�t affect that tie-up. No union besides the pilots would have even a small majority of the combined employee groups, she said.

�This is knee-jerk reaction,� she said of union complaints about the proposals. �They think we�re out to get them, when we simply wanted their comments and advice.�

The board�s proposal doesn�t define �substantial majority.� It now uses a standard of �not comparable� when extending union representation to a merged company with organized employees outnumbering those who aren�t. That current standard is also undefined, Van de Water said.

The NMB will take feedback on the proposed changes to its representation manual until early September, and then decide whether to modify or implement them, Van de Water said. The manual provides guidance for NMB staff, labor groups and companies, and isn�t binding on the board, she said.

House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman James Oberstar, a Minnesota Democrat, said he will �strongly consider� legislation to overhaul the board�s authority over merger procedures unless the proposals are withdrawn.

Oberstar�s comment came in a letter this month to the NMB that was also signed by Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and Rep. George Miller, D-Calif.

Harry Hoglander, an NMB member, failed to persuade his two board colleagues to delay consideration of the controversial items until after the Delta merger, according to a letter he wrote this month to Wytkind.

�I believe that this ill-advised action will only strengthen the perception of bias and sow distrust and suspicion,� Hoglander said in the letter released by Wytkind.

� 2008 Deseret News Publishing Company | All rights reserved"

We currently meet the 35% rule, however, as I posted above, it may not really matter. NW/DL has the NMB in their back pocket.

Prospective union members have to ask for representation in sufficient numbers. That's not just the NW members now represented, but DL workers, too. If they don't ask in sufficient numbers (by card drive) or the employer agree to hold an election anyway, there's no election and no union.

Somebody will correct me, but I think that makes the contract amendable date the effective contract end date for the NW union agreements.

I won't speculate on what the regs may come to be in the referenced NMB action in Post #26.

I thought someone said DL FAs were non-union. They must have been mistaken.

Bring back the Texas Air hotpants.