WP miles awarded when using ECV?
Feb 3, 2008 | 10:53 am
#1
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WP miles awarded when using ECV?
Is flight miles still awarded into WP account when I used ECV for purchase of airline ticket?
I didn't use it for free ticket. I paid the remaining balance.
I didn't use it for free ticket. I paid the remaining balance.
Feb 3, 2008 | 11:10 am
#2
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yes you can get miles when using a ECV. The ECV basically is a discount coupon that you can use to pay off the balance of your ticket...so there's no reason why you wouldn't be able to get miles
if you are traveling on an award ticket...then no miles would be earned obviously.
if you are traveling on an award ticket...then no miles would be earned obviously.
Feb 3, 2008 | 11:41 am
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There are two types of bump vouchers. One is for a free flight (I'm not sure if they are called ECV because I would never take this option). The free flight one does not receive points. The dollar off ones just reduces the amount to pay for a ticket but the fare is just as if you paid cash and all benfits, like points, are the same for that ticket.
Feb 3, 2008 | 12:00 pm
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There are two types of bump vouchers. One is for a free flight (I'm not sure if they are called ECV because I would never take this option). The free flight one does not receive points. The dollar off ones just reduces the amount to pay for a ticket but the fare is just as if you paid cash and all benfits, like points, are the same for that ticket.
Feb 3, 2008 | 12:10 pm
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The free ticket needs availability from W class which is the same as a regular WP reward ticket. I always take the $$$ value - except one time they only offered $150 or a free ticket. I took the free ticket and used it for a trip from PIT to RAP (I always wanted to see Mt Rushmore & Crazy Horse) which at the time was something like a $500 ticket!! PLUS - the dollar amount can be used toward a ticket to anywhere in the world - not just US48 and Canada.
Feb 3, 2008 | 12:18 pm
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There are two types of bump vouchers. One is for a free flight (I'm not sure if they are called ECV because I would never take this option). The free flight one does not receive points. The dollar off ones just reduces the amount to pay for a ticket but the fare is just as if you paid cash and all benfits, like points, are the same for that ticket.
How do I know whether it is a free ticket voucher or the dollar off voucher?
The one I used was $100 off. So it was the dollar off voucher, isn't it?
Also if I have $150 off voucher and purchase a ticket at $100, will it be a free ticket instead of the dollar off voucher? Then, I can't get miles?
Feb 3, 2008 | 8:52 pm
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How do I know whether it is a free ticket voucher or the dollar off voucher?
The one I used was $100 off. So it was the dollar off voucher, isn't it?
Also if I have $150 off voucher and purchase a ticket at $100, will it be a free ticket instead of the dollar off voucher? Then, I can't get miles?
The one I used was $100 off. So it was the dollar off voucher, isn't it?
Also if I have $150 off voucher and purchase a ticket at $100, will it be a free ticket instead of the dollar off voucher? Then, I can't get miles?
Feb 3, 2008 | 10:48 pm
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ECVs retain their excess value until used or expired, so in that case you would get miles and retain the balance for another ticket. Most of the free ticket vouchers have a value of $250 towards ticket(s) and earn miles when used that way, except for those nasty ones that book into K and earn no miles and supposedly aren't upgradeable.
"K" fare tickets do earn miles + elite bonus miles and status miles. I can also assure you a platinum member gets complimentary upgrades, if avail, on these fares. Probably Gold and Silver as well.
I'm not sure but I think the excess ECV value needs to be used by the second ticket. For example, $500 ECV buys $200 tickets has $300 left. If the next ticket is less than $300 the remaining is lost. I've never had this happen but I seem to remember reading that rule.. I surely could be wrong on this one.
Feb 4, 2008 | 12:57 am
#9
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The mysterious DB410, revealed.
I never have questioned another post but in this case I think a correction is in order.
"K" fare tickets do earn miles + elite bonus miles and status miles. I can also assure you a platinum member gets complimentary upgrades, if avail, on these fares. Probably Gold and Silver as well.<<<<
"K" fare tickets do earn miles + elite bonus miles and status miles. I can also assure you a platinum member gets complimentary upgrades, if avail, on these fares. Probably Gold and Silver as well.<<<<
Purchased K fares most certainly earn full EQM, RDM, and normal Elite RDM bonuses and are upgradeable ("domestic"). If this weren't the case I wouldn't be SE and wouldn't get the UG%s that I do. These have a specific code and say on them they book into K and don't earn miles.
From the above referenced thread:
More info on the inner workings of a DB410
I decided to look at my itinerary receipt like a good little guinea pig...
The fare basis code is KFREE/DB410. Never seen that before, but, well, it's pretty self-explanatory, right?
And here are the fare rules!
Penalties
CHANGES CHARGE USD 100.00 FOR REISSUE. NOTE - TICKETS MUST BE REISSUED WHEN ANY VOLUNTARY CHANGE IS MADE. ..... IF MULTIPLE CHANGES ARE MADE AT THE SAME TIME ONLY ONE CHANGE FEE WILL APPLY PER TICKET. ..... ORIGINAL BOOKING CLASS OF SERVICE MUST BE AVAILABLE ON ANY CHANGED FLIGHT SEGMENT ..... CHANGES ARE PERMITTED FOR APPLICABLE CHANGE FEE PROVIDED THE NEW ITINERARY MEETS ALL THE FARE RULES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO MIN-MAX STAY/ OPEN-JAW REQUIREMENT/BKG CLASS ETC.
ANY DIFFERENCE IN TAX WOULD NEED TO BE COLLECTED OR REFUNDED IF APPLICABLE.
THE ADMIN FEE IS APPLICABLE TO ANY FLIGHT CHANGE CANCELLATIONS TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE. NOTE - A.CUSTOMERS FIRST POLICY.
1. CUSTOMER FIRST REFUND POLICY DOES NOT APPLY. 2. FARES/TAXES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND NOT GUARANTEED UNTIL A TICKET IS PURCHASED.
Travel Restrictions
VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON/AFTER 01MAY 04 AND ON/ BEFORE 31DEC 08. ALL TRAVEL MUST BE COMPLETED BY MIDNIGHT ON 31DEC 08.
Blackout Dates
NO RESTRICTION
Seasonality
NO RESTRICTION
Flight Applications
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING NW FLIGHTS 0001 THROUGH 2099 NW FLIGHTS 2700 THROUGH 3799 NW FLIGHTS 4700 THROUGH 4799 NW FLIGHTS 4800 THROUGH 4899 NW FLIGHTS 5100 THROUGH 5599 NW FLIGHTS 5600 THROUGH 5999 NW FLIGHTS 6000 THROUGH 8199.
Day/Time Application
NO RESTRICTION
Minimum Stay
NO RESTRICTION
Maximum Stay
NO RESTRICTION
Surcharges
NO RESTRICTION
Child Discount
ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - NO DISCOUNT.
Other Discount
NOTE - 1. NOT VALID WITH ANY OTHER CERT/DISCOUNT/ PROMOTION/GROUP TVL/WORLDPERKS AIR TRAVEL AWARD. 2. WP ELITE CARE AND ELITE COMPANION UPGRADES NOT PERMITTED. 3. WP MILEAGE ACCURAL IS NOT PERMITTED.
Accompanied Travel
NO RESTRICTION
Eligibility
NO RESTRICTION
Advance Reservations/Ticketing Restrictions
RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED ON THE DAY OF DEPARTURE. STANDBY PERMITTED FOR EARLIER/LATER SAME DAY FLIGHTS OTHERWISE STANDBY NOT PERMITTED. TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 1 DAY AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR THE DAY OF DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER. NOTE - OPEN SEGMENTS/WAITLISTING IS NOT PERMITTED. ELECTRONIC CREDIT VOUCHER IS NONTRANSFERABLE. ELECTRONIC CREDIT VOUCHER IS REDEEMABLE FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING WITHIN 1 YEAR OF THE VOUCHERS ISSUANCE DATE.
Combinability
DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. ADD-ONS NOT PERMITTED. OPEN JAWS/2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH NW FARES -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS. A MAXIMUM OF 2 FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE SHORTEST FLOWN SEGMENT. -TO FORM 2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE IN THIS RULE AND TARIFF.
Transfers
4 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ONLINE ON ANY CARRIER - 2 IN EACH DIRECTION. NOTE - ALSO APPLIES TO NW AIRLINK FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS ARE NOT PERMITTED.
Stopovers
NO STOPOVERS PERMITTED.
Sales Restrictions
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 31DEC 08. TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA. NOTE - 1. TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED IN CONJUCTION WITH ELECTRONIC CREDIT VOUCHER. 2. A 50.00USD/80.00CAD SURCHARGE WILL BE ASSESSED FOR PAPER TKTS ISSUED IN THE US/ CANADA/CARIBBEAN WHERE ELECTRONIC TKTG IS AVAILABLE. 3. TBM PERMITTED. ALLOW 14DAYS FOR TBM PROCESSING
Industry Fare Type
XPN - INSTANT PURCHASE NONREFUNDABLE
CHANGES CHARGE USD 100.00 FOR REISSUE. NOTE - TICKETS MUST BE REISSUED WHEN ANY VOLUNTARY CHANGE IS MADE. ..... IF MULTIPLE CHANGES ARE MADE AT THE SAME TIME ONLY ONE CHANGE FEE WILL APPLY PER TICKET. ..... ORIGINAL BOOKING CLASS OF SERVICE MUST BE AVAILABLE ON ANY CHANGED FLIGHT SEGMENT ..... CHANGES ARE PERMITTED FOR APPLICABLE CHANGE FEE PROVIDED THE NEW ITINERARY MEETS ALL THE FARE RULES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO MIN-MAX STAY/ OPEN-JAW REQUIREMENT/BKG CLASS ETC.
ANY DIFFERENCE IN TAX WOULD NEED TO BE COLLECTED OR REFUNDED IF APPLICABLE.
THE ADMIN FEE IS APPLICABLE TO ANY FLIGHT CHANGE CANCELLATIONS TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE. NOTE - A.CUSTOMERS FIRST POLICY.
1. CUSTOMER FIRST REFUND POLICY DOES NOT APPLY. 2. FARES/TAXES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND NOT GUARANTEED UNTIL A TICKET IS PURCHASED.
Travel Restrictions
VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON/AFTER 01MAY 04 AND ON/ BEFORE 31DEC 08. ALL TRAVEL MUST BE COMPLETED BY MIDNIGHT ON 31DEC 08.
Blackout Dates
NO RESTRICTION
Seasonality
NO RESTRICTION
Flight Applications
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING NW FLIGHTS 0001 THROUGH 2099 NW FLIGHTS 2700 THROUGH 3799 NW FLIGHTS 4700 THROUGH 4799 NW FLIGHTS 4800 THROUGH 4899 NW FLIGHTS 5100 THROUGH 5599 NW FLIGHTS 5600 THROUGH 5999 NW FLIGHTS 6000 THROUGH 8199.
Day/Time Application
NO RESTRICTION
Minimum Stay
NO RESTRICTION
Maximum Stay
NO RESTRICTION
Surcharges
NO RESTRICTION
Child Discount
ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - NO DISCOUNT.
Other Discount
NOTE - 1. NOT VALID WITH ANY OTHER CERT/DISCOUNT/ PROMOTION/GROUP TVL/WORLDPERKS AIR TRAVEL AWARD. 2. WP ELITE CARE AND ELITE COMPANION UPGRADES NOT PERMITTED. 3. WP MILEAGE ACCURAL IS NOT PERMITTED.
Accompanied Travel
NO RESTRICTION
Eligibility
NO RESTRICTION
Advance Reservations/Ticketing Restrictions
RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED ON THE DAY OF DEPARTURE. STANDBY PERMITTED FOR EARLIER/LATER SAME DAY FLIGHTS OTHERWISE STANDBY NOT PERMITTED. TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 1 DAY AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR THE DAY OF DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER. NOTE - OPEN SEGMENTS/WAITLISTING IS NOT PERMITTED. ELECTRONIC CREDIT VOUCHER IS NONTRANSFERABLE. ELECTRONIC CREDIT VOUCHER IS REDEEMABLE FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING WITHIN 1 YEAR OF THE VOUCHERS ISSUANCE DATE.
Combinability
DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. ADD-ONS NOT PERMITTED. OPEN JAWS/2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH NW FARES -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS. A MAXIMUM OF 2 FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE SHORTEST FLOWN SEGMENT. -TO FORM 2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE IN THIS RULE AND TARIFF.
Transfers
4 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ONLINE ON ANY CARRIER - 2 IN EACH DIRECTION. NOTE - ALSO APPLIES TO NW AIRLINK FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS ARE NOT PERMITTED.
Stopovers
NO STOPOVERS PERMITTED.
Sales Restrictions
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 31DEC 08. TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA. NOTE - 1. TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED IN CONJUCTION WITH ELECTRONIC CREDIT VOUCHER. 2. A 50.00USD/80.00CAD SURCHARGE WILL BE ASSESSED FOR PAPER TKTS ISSUED IN THE US/ CANADA/CARIBBEAN WHERE ELECTRONIC TKTG IS AVAILABLE. 3. TBM PERMITTED. ALLOW 14DAYS FOR TBM PROCESSING
Industry Fare Type
XPN - INSTANT PURCHASE NONREFUNDABLE
I underlined the key restrictions in the Other Discount section: Can't earn WorldPerks miles, and "WP ELITE CARE AND ELITE COMPANION UPGRADES" are also not permitted.
I called WP to find out what "WP ELITE CARE" meant, and the agent said she thought it probably meant no EUAs and no mileage upgrades, and that she didn't get the full fare rules to look at, but apparently she had something more concise/clear, which said that yeah, EUAs aren't permitted. She did, however, say that if there was space available, there was always the chance they'd upgrade me at the airport anyway.
Anyway, at the very least, I got a $300-or-so K-bucket transcon for $10, so the DB410 was useful. And as I said somewhere else, I shouldn't need any miles for it to put me over the 120K EEP threshold.
Once I've traveled, I will report back on how the KFREE/DB410 flights show up (if they show up at all) in my WorldPerks account summary, and things like that.
Last edited by ed1; Feb 4, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Feb 4, 2008 | 1:06 am
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>>>I'm not sure but I think the excess ECV value needs to be used by the second ticket. For example, $500 ECV buys $200 tickets has $300 left. If the next ticket is less than $300 the remaining is lost. I've never had this happen but I seem to remember reading that rule.. I surely could be wrong on this one.