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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 10:28 am
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Fare Type Refunadable?

I apologize if this information in discussed prior, I did try to utilize the search engine and could not find the information I was looking for.

I was trying to find out if an F class fare with a fare rule of FA0V8R is indeed fully refundable or not. I thought so, but at the end of the fare rules it is listed as ER-Economy Restricted.

Here are the rules from NWA.com

Penalties
NOTE - CHANGES . TICKETS MUST BE REISSUED WHEN ANY VOLUNTARY CHANGE IS MADE.

GDPR - GUARANTEED DAY OF PURCHASE RULE DECREASE IN FARE AFTER TICKET PURCHASE.

IF A DECREASE OCCURS AFTER A TICKET IS PURCHASED AND PRIOR TO ANY TRAVEL ON THE TICKET OR A NEW FARE FOR WHICH THE PASSENGER QUALIFIES BECOMES EFFECTIVE THE DIFFERENCE IN FARE MAY BE REFUNDED. FOR COMPLETE DETAILS SEE PARAGRAPH VI BELOW.

I. PRIOR TO DEPARTURE - A. CHANGES TO DEPARTING FLIGHT ARE PERMITTED PROVIDED THE CHANGE IS MADE TO SAME ORIGIN/DESTINATION AND SAME TICKETED TRAVEL DATE AND SAME BOOKING CLASS.

B. CHANGES TO DEPARTING FLIGHT INVOLVING A CHANGE TO ORIGIN/DESTINATION OR DIFFERENT TICKETED TRAVEL DATE OR BOOKING CLASS ARE NOT PERMITTED - SEE CANCELLATIONS.

II. PRIOR TO DEPARTURE - CHANGES TO CONTINUING/ RETURN FLIGHTS WHEN THERE IS NO CHANGE TO ORIGIN/DESTINATION OR STOPOVERS.

A. CONTINUING/RETURN FLIGHTS MAY BE CHANGED TO ANOTHER FLIGHT FOR THE SAME DATE OR TO A LATER DATE WITHOUT REGARD TO THE ADVANCE RSVN REQUIREMENTS PROVIDED THE CHANGE MEETS ALL OTHER FARE RULES.

CONTINUING/RETURN FLIGHTS MAY BE CHANGED TO AN EARLIER DATE PROVIDED THE CHANGE MEETS ALL FARE RULES. THE ORIGINAL TICKET DATE MAY BE USED TO MEASURE THE ADVANCE PURCHASE REQUIREMENT.

B. IF A CHANGE IS MADE THAT VIOLATES ANY OF THE ORIGINAL FARE RULES TRY THE FOLLOWING OPTIONS . B.1 RE-PRICE THE CONTINUING/RETURN PORTION OF THE ITINERARY USING FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE THE ORIGINAL TICKET WAS ISSUED. ANY DIFFERENCE IN FARES SHOULD BE COLLECTED. IF THE REPRICE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE THE DIFFERENCE MAY BE REFUNDED TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT.

B.2 THE ENTIRE TICKET SHOULD ALSO BE REPRICED WITH CURRENT FARES. ANY DIFFERENCE IN FARES SHOULD BE COLLECTED. IF THE TICKET PRICE IS IS LOWER THE DIFFERENCE IN FARES MAY BE REFUNDED TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT.

B.3 IF THE RESULTS OF B.1 - B.2 ABOVE RESULT IN MULTIPLE PRICING SOLUTIONS THE LOWEST SOLUTION WOULD APPLY.

III. PRIOR TO DEPARTURE - CHANGES TO CONTINUING/ RETURN FLIGHTS WHEN THERE IS A CHANGE TO ORIGIN/DESTINATION OR STOPOVERS.

A. REPRICE THE ENTIRE ITINERARY WITH CURRENT FARES. ANY DIFFERENCE IN FARES SHOULD BE COLLECTED. IF THE REPRICE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE THE DIFFERENCE IN FARES MAY BE REFUNDED TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT.

IV. AFTER DEPARTURE - CHANGES TO CONTINUING/RETURN FLIGHT WHEN THERE IS NO CHANGE TO ORIGIN/ DESTINATION OR STOPOVERS.

A. CONTINUING/RETURN FLIGHTS MAY BE CHANGED TO ANOTHER FLIGHT FOR THE AME DATE OR TO A LATER DATE WITHOUT REGARD TO THE ADVANCE RSVN REQUIREMENTS PROVIDED THE CHANGE MEETS ALL OTHER FARE RULES.

CONTINUING/RETURN FLIGHTS MAY BE CHANGED TO AN EARLIER DATE PROVIDED THE CHANGE MEETS ALL FARE RULES. THE ORIGINAL TICKET DATE MAY BE USED TO MEASURE THE ADVANCE PURCHASE REQUIREMENT.

B. IF A CHANGE IS MADE TO A DATE THAT VIOLATES ANY OF THE ORIGINAL FARE RULES TRY THE FOLLOWING OPTIONS . B.1 THE CONTINUING/RETURN PORTION OF THE ITINERARY SHOULD BE RE-PRICED WITH AN APPLICABLE FARE IN EFFECT ON THE DATE THE ORIGINAL TICKET WAS ISSUED. ANY DIFFERENCE IN FARES SHOULD BE COLLECTED. IF THE RE-PRICE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE THE DIFFERENCE MAY BE REFUNDED TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT.

B.2 RE-PRICE THE CONTINUING/RETURN PORTION OF THE ITINERARY WITH CURRENT FARES. ANY DIFFERENCE IN FARES SHOULD BE COLLECTED. IF THE REPRICE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE THE DIFFERENCE IN FARES MAY BE REFUNDED TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT.

B.3 IF THE RESULTS OF B.1 - B.2 ABOVE RESULT IN MULTIPLE PRICING SOLUTIONS THE LOWEST SOLUTION WOULD APPLY.

V. AFTER DEPARTURE - CHANGES TO CONTINUING/RETURN FLIGHT WHEN THERE IS A CHANGE TO ORIGIN/ DESTINATION OR STOPOVERS.

A. REPRICE THE CONTINUING/RETURN PORTION WITH A CURRENT FARE. ANY DIFFERENCE IN FARES SHOULD BE COLLECTED. IF THE REPRICE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE THE DIFFERENCE IN FARES MAY BE REFUNDED TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT.

VI. GDPR - GUARANTEED DAY OF PURCHASE RULE . DOMESTIC PASSENGER TRANSPORTATION IS SUBJECT TO RULES/FARE/ROUTINGS AND CHARGES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE/TIME THE TICKET IS ISSUED/PTA PURCHASED UNLESS SPECIFIED IN THE FARE RULES.

DECREASE IN FARE AFTER PURCHASE . IF A DECREASE OCCURS AFTER A TICKET IS PURCHASED AND PRIOR TO TRAVEL ON THE TICKET OR A NEW FARE FOR WHICH THE PASSENGER QUALIFIES BECOMES EFFECTIVE THE DIFFERENCE IN FARES WILL BE REFUNDED PROVIDED . 1. THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO ORIGIN/DESTINATION/ STOPOVER POINTS/FLIGHTS/DATES.

2. ALL CONDITIONS OF THE NEW/REDUCED FARE MUST BE MET. THE ORIGINAL TICKET DATE OF ISSUE MAY NOT BE USED TO SATISFY THE ADVANCE RESERVATION/TICKETING REQUIREMENTS. THE BOOKING CODE OF THE NEW/REDUCED FARE MAY DIFFER FROM THE BOOKING CODE ON THE ORIGINAL TICKET.

CANCELLATIONS . A.CUSTOMERS FIRST POLICY.

1. FARES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND NOT GUARANTEED UNTIL A TICKET IS PURCHASED. CANCELLATIONS CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED. NOTE - A.CUSTOMERS FIRST POLICY.

1. FARES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND NOT ARE GUARANTEED UNTIL A TICKET IS PURCHASED.

B. CANCELLATION FEE . 1. TICKETS WILL BECOME INVALID/EXPIRED ONE YEAR AFTER THE DATE OF THE FIRST DEPARTURE AND MAY NOT BE USED OR EXCHANGED FOR TRANSPORTATION AFTER THAT TIME AND DATE. 2. ONCE THIS TICKET BECOMES INVALID - THERE IS NO CREDIT FOR ANY AMOUNT PAID FOR THE TICKET DUE TO THE IMPOSITION OF A 100 PERCENT CANCELLATION FEE - SEE GENERAL TARIFF RULE 105 -

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Travel Restrictions
TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS: NO RESTRICTION

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Blackout Dates
BLACKOUT DATES: NO RESTRICTION

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Seasonality
SEASONALITY: NO RESTRICTION

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Flight Applications
FLIGHT APPLICATIONS: NO RESTRICTION

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Day/Time Application
DAY/TIME APPLICATION: NO RESTRICTION

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Minimum Stay
MINIMUM STAY: NO RESTRICTION

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Maximum Stay
MAXIMUM STAY: NO RESTRICTION

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Surcharges
SURCHARGES: NO RESTRICTION

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Child Discount
1ST INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - NO CHARGE MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT.

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Other Discount
NOTE - 1. CPNS/CERTS/SERVICE RECOVERY ALLOWED PER PROGRAM RULES. 2. WORLDPERK UPGRADES/CERTS ALLOWED PER WP RULES. 3. MTG/CONVENTION/INCENTIVE/GRP PERCENT-OFF DISCOUNT APPLIES TO BASE FARES 150USD OR GREATER - EACH WAY BASE FARE MUST BE 75USD TO QUALIFY. 200USD OR GREATER BASE FARES TO/FROM MSP OR DTT. - EACH WAY BASE FARE MUST BE 100USD TO QUALIFY.

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Accompanied Travel
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL: NO RESTRICTION

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Eligibility
ELIGIBILITY: NO RESTRICTION

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Advance Reservations/Ticketing Restrictions
RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS. STANDBY PERMITTED FOR EARLIER/LATER SAME DAY FLIGHTS OTHERWISE WAITLIST AND STANDBY NOT PERMITTED. TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED BY MIDNIGHT 1 DAY AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE. NOTE - NW SAME DAY TRAVEL OPTIONS - AVAILABLE WHEN CHECKING IN ON NWA.COM OR AIRPORT KIOSKS. APPLIES TO OUTBOUND/CONTINUING/RETURN FLIGHTS.

1. SAME DAY STANDBY PERMITTED FOR EARLIER/LATER FLIGHT FOR NO FEE WHEN TRAVEL IS BETWEEN THE SAME ORIGIN/DESTINATION AND CONNECTION ARPTS. CO-TERMINAL STANDBY IS NOT PERMITTED. PPL/STANDBY PROCESSING WILL OCCUR WITHIN 3HOURS OF A PASSENGERS DESIRED FLIGHT. NW RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ASSESS A FEE FOR STANDBY.

2. FLY NOW - CONFIRM A SEAT ON AN ALTERNATE FLIGHT FOR A FLY NOW FEE OF 25.00USD FOR FLIGHTS DEPARTING WITHIN 3 HOURS OF CHECK-IN WHEN - A. THE SAME TICKETED INVENTORY CLASS IS AVAILABLE. B. TRAVEL IS BETWEEN THE SAME ORIGIN CITY AND DESTINATION CITY. C. NEW FLIGHTS AND ROUTING ARE PERMITTED PER THE FARE RULE. D. ALL TRAVEL IS ON NW FLIGHTS 1-1999 AND/OR NW FLIGHTS OPERATED BY 9E/XJ.

3. TO CONFIRM A SEAT ON A FLIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE FLY NOW FEE PERIOD THE RULES OUTLINED IN THE PENALTY SECTION WILL APPLY . 4. CUSTOMERS STANDING BY FOR NW FLIGHTS OPERATED BY A PARTNER MAY BE ASSESSED A FEE.

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Combinability
ADD-ONS NOT PERMITTED. FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH ANY FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF TO FORM SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/2-COMPONENT ROUND TRIPS/MULTI- COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS. END-ON-END PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA POINT OF COMBINATION. NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME POINT- BWI-WAS DTT-FNT DTT-LAN DTT-MBS EWR-HPN EWR-NYC FLL-MIA FLL-PBI LAX-BUR LAX-ONT LAX-SNA MIA-PBI MSP-RST MSP-STC NYC-EWR NYC-HPN OAK-SJC ONT-BUR ONT-SNA SFO-OAK SFO-SJC SNA-BUR

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Transfers
8 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ONLINE ON ANY CARRIER - 4 IN EACH DIRECTION. NOTE - ALSO APPLIES TO NW AIRLINK

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Stopovers
STOPOVERS: NOT PERMITTED

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Sales Restrictions
TICKETS MAY BE ISSUED BY MAIL/PTA. PTA CONSTITUTES TICKETING. NOTE - 1. NORTHWEST WILL ASSESS A 50.00USD SURCHARGE FOR PAPER TKTS ISSUED IN THE US/CANADA/CARIBBEAN/MEXICO WHERE ELECTRONIC TICKETING IS AVAILABLE. 2. A PAPER TKT SURCHARGE APPLIES TO ALL TKTS PURCHASED THROUGH TRAVEL AGTS/ONLINE AGENCIES/ NORTHWEST AIRLINES.

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Industry Fare Type
ER - ECONOMY RESTRICTED
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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 10:44 pm
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Fares are refundable by default, so if no specific cancellation fee is listed ("CANCELLATIONS CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED"), then the fare is fully refundable.
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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 11:36 pm
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The fare basis is also a good indicator of whether a fare class is refundable.

FA0V8R

The R stands for refundable. NR would be non-refundable.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 4:14 pm
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Originally Posted by slippahs
The fare basis is also a good indicator of whether a fare class is refundable.

FA0V8R

The R stands for refundable. NR would be non-refundable.
Thanks for the assistance, as always it was dead-on. I had wanted to meet up with my brother during a long layover he had at DTW, so I purchased a first-class one way ticket to ORD about an hour before I left for the airport. Once at the WorldClub, I called up the GE line and cancelled the ticket.

Two things were odd though:

1.) When cancelling the ticket, the agent said "Oh, since it's been less that 24 hours since you bought the ticket, you can cancel it and get your money back. Oh, wait. It's fully refundable anyway. You'll have your money back in 7-10 days." By the agents comment, does that mean I could have bought a non-refundable coach ticket and had the refund as well? I had already checked into the flight. She didn't question a thing.

2.) I was not selected for any additional screening at checkin. I thought having bought a one-way, full-fare ticket several hours before the flight that I would be. Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining!
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 4:39 pm
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Originally Posted by james318
1.) When cancelling the ticket, the agent said "Oh, since it's been less that 24 hours since you bought the ticket, you can cancel it and get your money back. Oh, wait. It's fully refundable anyway. You'll have your money back in 7-10 days." By the agents comment, does that mean I could have bought a non-refundable coach ticket and had the refund as well?
Yes. It's called the "Customer First" policy. More information can be found by searching "customer" and "first" here on the NW forum.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 4:48 pm
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Originally Posted by slippahs
Yes. It's called the "Customer First" policy. More information can be found by searching "customer" and "first" here on the NW forum.
For reference, this topic is addressed here, second bullet point:
http://www.nwa.com/plan/guide03.html
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 4:58 pm
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Originally Posted by SchmutzigMSP
For reference, this topic is addressed here, second bullet point:
http://www.nwa.com/plan/guide03.html
Now you just made it too easy.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 5:26 pm
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Originally Posted by slippahs
Now you just made it too easy.
I am aware of the policy and know it well... For some reason I didn't think it would count on the day of departure, especially if I was already checked in. Good to know.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 5:49 pm
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Originally Posted by james318
For some reason I didn't think it would count on the day of departure, especially if I was already checked in. Good to know.
Now you're thinking . . .

It works very well on DoD, especially in certain circumstances. I'm glad the policy is in place.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 6:13 pm
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Originally Posted by SchmutzigMSP
Now you're thinking . . .

It works very well on DoD, especially in certain circumstances. I'm glad the policy is in place.
I'm slow to catch on... but when I do... WATCH OUT!

I just hope NWA doesn't monitor abuse of this...
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