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Old Nov 23, 2003 | 5:17 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Tango:
I find it ironic that as airlines move to electronic upgrades, it will be more easy to "sell" them since the upgrade will be in the system and not paper that you have to turn in.</font>
And a couple keystrokes, and they can probably see the history, who they went to, etc. Follow the "threads" easily! It might be easier to sell, but IMO it would be easier to get caught if you did. If they had any inclination they were sold (and they are pretty smart) they'd be asking the passenger 20 questions of which he/she probably didn't know most of the answers. I wouldn't be selling mine.
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Old Nov 23, 2003 | 5:23 pm
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This is obviously a troll post folks...likely intended to distract all the lawyers posting on USAir firing a customer.
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Old Nov 23, 2003 | 10:33 pm
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If all upgrades are in C or Z class, why would an agent care how the passenger got the upgrade as long as it is all in order?
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Old Nov 23, 2003 | 11:00 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Tango:
If all upgrades are in C or Z class, why would an agent care how the passenger got the upgrade as long as it is all in order?</font>
So what's the difference between electonic or paper?

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Old Nov 23, 2003 | 11:29 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Tango:
If all upgrades are in C or Z class, why would an agent care how the passenger got the upgrade as long as it is all in order?</font>
Because the passenger may be of the sort that will only travel in a premium cabin, and would have otherwise bought a full-fare ticket had an upgrade not been available through a broker.
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 1:52 am
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Well I'll start off page 2 by saying I am astounded no-one has asked WHICH airline is involved.

I think traveler101 is a fool and anyone who sells miles to brokers advertising in newspapers deserves all the grief they get IMO and will teach them an expensive lesson.

All the same WHICH airline is involved is of general interest. Some (AA/QF/DL) seem far more aggressive than others.

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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 4:56 am
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Good points. I would think that it would be difficult to rack up that many miles and not run across the rules about things like this at some point along the way...
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 7:16 am
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I don't think it would be difficult at all. I can count over 10 of my friends who have in excess of 150,000 miles that have no idea that there is a black market for selling miles and wouldn't know if it was right or wrong to do it.

Some other poster mentioned the same thing, they earned the miles so as far as they are concerned they can do what they want with them.

If you apply a common sense approach to it, which most people that don't know about sellings miles would, the above statement would probably be taken by most.
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 8:07 am
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 8:21 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by geo1005:
Call the airline and tell them you are ignorant of the rules against selling your miles. Maybe your account gets re-opened. Maybe not. You've rolled the dice with the airline and you'll now have to deal with them. Eat crow and hope for the best.

If this Scott person is from Travel Masters, tell him you held up your end of the bargain and to take a hike. What happened with the miles after you "sold them" is their problem.

If this Scott person is the passenger who bought the ticket from Travel Masters, tell him you never had any deal with him and to go away and complain to Travel Masters.

All this junk about hiring contract lawyers etc. is a bunch of baloney. This issue would never see the inside of a courtroom so feel 100% free to sleep well at night.
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 9:02 am
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JS, I am not saying it is a reason why people should do it, just responding to the comment that it would be hard to earn that many miles without knowing.

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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 10:13 am
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The whole issue just shows how the airlines are trying to control both sides of the pie. The airlines have no problems selling miles to anybody who wants to buy them yet they don't want anyone else selling miles. When United filed for Bankruptcy, the only profitable part of their business was its frequent flyer miles program. American Airlines sold close to $1,000,000,000 worth of miles the previous year. The smart airlines are starting to treat these as advanced seat sales and not as a freebie that "costs" them money. Southwest does very little to discourage people from selling their rapid rewards flight coupons and there are a ton of them up for bid on any given day on E-bay. There is a very large grey market selling/buying miles--most of it can be done very safely if you know what you are doing. The airlines have to realize that they can only do so much without killing the golden goose.

I would not be suprised if the person who started this thread works for an airline is only trying to stir things up a bit.
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 10:52 am
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Southwest is very close to implementing a ticketless frequent flier awards so it won't be as easy to sell anonymous awards. You will actually have to go through the broker process just like other airlines.

In addition, they are cancelling the double credits for online bookings as of December 31. Unlike other years, they will NOT be renewing it this year.

I am very interested to see what effect these two changes have on business. I have a number of friends who were fiercly loyal to WN that will no longer be flying them come Jan 1.
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 6:56 pm
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Southwest Airlines went to "ticketless" tickets almost two months ago - and they're still up for sale every day on ebay.
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 7:07 pm
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Perhaps the airlines should consider how they can make money on traded miles rather than trying to scare of the customers who earned the miles.

Perhaps inventory on less demanded flights at a 10% premium.

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