The Top Ten Problems Members Have With Frequent Flyer Programs....
#136

Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Los Angeles, CA,USA
Programs: AA Plat Pro, SPG Lifetime Plat
Posts: 567
Not the biggest problem, but a major gripe is certainly getting award certificates (e.g. Fly 3 Fly Free etc) that have an enormous number of blackout dates (almost all of certain months!)
#137
Original Member




Join Date: May 1998
Location: Reno, NV (RNO)
Programs: AA LT Platinum, AS, UA Premier Silver, DL, HHonors Gold, Marriott LT Titanium, Hyatt, IHG Platinum
Posts: 4,723
[QUOTE=777 global mile hound #1 United has shifted the lions share of saver to standard award whatever the reason I'm in AAs metal now
UA inventory is starting to resemble Continental in places
Though it still isn't that bad yet.
Though for that matter it doesn't have much further to go
[/QUOTE]
Here are my views on award availability:
There is no way UA saver award availability is anything close to CO. CO has the worst availability of any airline program and it has been that way for years. Like most programs, UA has tightened up some, but their economy award availability is still fairly good. Better than CO, DL, and NW. Business/First on UA is another story....much tighter award inventory now.
AA appears to have tightened up some too, but is still the best in my book.
DL availability is terrible. I never thought it was that great, but it seems to have sunk even further. I can't understand how it continues to shine in the InsideFlyer redemption survey each month. I find the survey closely matches my experiences for all airlines with the exception of DL. Wonder what is going on there?
NW used to have decent award availability, but it too has sunk. Not quite as low as CO or DL, but it is on its way.
Surprisingly, even though in bankruptcy and with a run to cash in miles, US continues to provide good availability. Probably would rank third behind AA and UA....maybe even ahead of UA.
Not much experience with Alaska, but all indications are they right up there with AA.
UA inventory is starting to resemble Continental in places
Though it still isn't that bad yet.
Though for that matter it doesn't have much further to go
[/QUOTE]
Here are my views on award availability:
There is no way UA saver award availability is anything close to CO. CO has the worst availability of any airline program and it has been that way for years. Like most programs, UA has tightened up some, but their economy award availability is still fairly good. Better than CO, DL, and NW. Business/First on UA is another story....much tighter award inventory now.
AA appears to have tightened up some too, but is still the best in my book.
DL availability is terrible. I never thought it was that great, but it seems to have sunk even further. I can't understand how it continues to shine in the InsideFlyer redemption survey each month. I find the survey closely matches my experiences for all airlines with the exception of DL. Wonder what is going on there?
NW used to have decent award availability, but it too has sunk. Not quite as low as CO or DL, but it is on its way.
Surprisingly, even though in bankruptcy and with a run to cash in miles, US continues to provide good availability. Probably would rank third behind AA and UA....maybe even ahead of UA.
Not much experience with Alaska, but all indications are they right up there with AA.
#138
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: mill valley, ca, usa
Programs: Northwest Gold, UAL PremExec, Motel 6 Frequent Snorer
Posts: 154
Two of the most oft-occurring problems in this thread are miles never posting as promised by airline business partners ("we don't show this in your signup with MCI") and different answers given by telephone reps to the same question. It's a law of nature that nothing said by a big company to a consumer is true unless it's in writing.
The miles for online shopping almost always get paid eventually, after much longer than they promise. The real problem is non-credits for big miles after telephone deals for internet service, banking, telephone service etc., plus conflicting info from airline reps.
After getting burned a few times I now solve such problems by preventing them. Start a phone conversation by telling what deal you're interested in, and ask will confirmation be sent immediately after by email or fax including the miles obligation. If the reply is "we don't do that") -- why the hell not? -- then say you will 2-way record the rest of the conversation and push the record button. The company is probably recording it, and you are legally entitled to do the same as long as you let them know in advance. Their only choices are to agree to this level playing field, or hang up and lose your business.
It works.
The miles for online shopping almost always get paid eventually, after much longer than they promise. The real problem is non-credits for big miles after telephone deals for internet service, banking, telephone service etc., plus conflicting info from airline reps.
After getting burned a few times I now solve such problems by preventing them. Start a phone conversation by telling what deal you're interested in, and ask will confirmation be sent immediately after by email or fax including the miles obligation. If the reply is "we don't do that") -- why the hell not? -- then say you will 2-way record the rest of the conversation and push the record button. The company is probably recording it, and you are legally entitled to do the same as long as you let them know in advance. Their only choices are to agree to this level playing field, or hang up and lose your business.
It works.
#140
FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: BOS, MHT
Programs: AA ltg, B6, DL, UA, AS, SPG/Marriott Plt, HH, Hyatt
Posts: 10,062
Originally Posted by MisterNice
Many of the so-called rules are written in long-lost strange and indeciferable languages known only to the secret undefined personnel the agents converse with after saying to you, "I am gonna put you on hold and get an answer for you on that". Somehow it always differs from what I imagine the rules state or dont state.
MisterNice
MisterNice
oh so well put!!
I also just love it how they pass the buck when they cannot know the answer and then say, "dont shoot the messeger" and then, when you ask them who CAN help us, they won't tell you!
So how do you expect people not to get mad if you won't even disclose who I can talk to???
also, when a thing cannot get solved by even the supervisor of some department (say, missing United Mall miles) "it's not my department, sir"
I especially love it when airline personnel are convinced all miles we have are FREE and that credit card ones are somehow considered lesser earned than flying ones... And yet, their airlines marketed these to us and we DO pay in many other ways! AGHAAG!
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