I wish I'd thought of it - my wife and I have the same first and last names - but the FF statements have gender specific salutations ("Mr." and "Mrs."). The trick would be to both use "Dr." or "Rev." or "Rabbi". Except one then would wonder what to do in an on-board medical or religious emergency - would I have to reveal the truth or claim a Ph.D. or lapsed pulpit? Actually the only concern one should have is what the airline can do if they catch you. Theoretically they could revoke all miles and ban you from their flights. Would they?

By traveling with someone else's FF account, you're basically traveling under a false name, as some of the data used for CAPPS comes from your profile.

Traveling under a false name would probably get you in trouble with the feds if they found out about it.

d

Hmmm ... I have more than 20 entry/exit stamps in my US passport from Israel and have never been searched or questioned in excess of what is typical.


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Mark DL PM/HH GD

With everything........if you plan to break rules better not tell everyone on a worldwide chat - there is always a nark somewhere and Ive heard of many FF accounts being audited and suspended for fraud.

Sorry I haven't responded, I actually forgot about this thread.

I don't have any power to decide your fate unless you give it to me.


Such is the nature of man.


Resonsibility is such a subjective action. What is responsible to you may be irresponsible to me.

I am as free as I want to be yet many freedoms are given and taken from me whether I like it or not.

Innocence is a point of view.
Rules are meant to be interpreted,broken and revised according to those who rule, therefore they are not absolute.
Last time I checked terrorists don't follow their perceived enemies rules or laws.

He will be punished by society or he will get away with breaking a rule.


Maybe we should go back to the days of prohibition and admit that alcohol is a drug and should be illegal like other drugs that alter the mind and cause unsocial behavior. Maybe we should make it a prescription drug dispensable by doctors. Either way we solve your drunk driving scenario and problem.

Rules have been and will always be broken. Life isn't fair.
People who cause harm are not neccessarily doing it with the intent to harm.

The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the State!

Life isn't fair? That justifies doing whatever you want, regarless of how it impacts others? Sorry, I don't believe in that.

Intent? Drunk drivers probably don't intend to kill children, does that make their crime OK?

The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state? How about, the less responsible the citizens, the more numerous the laws?

If we all made an effort to not be jerks, not break the rules, not take things from others that we're not entitled to (1) there'd be less laws and (2) we'd all probably be happier.

Do you not steal money from a bank because you're not entitled to it, or because you're afraid of being caught? From your posts, I'd expect that the latter is true for you.

Would (or do) you teach your children that it is OK to take things they're not entitled to? Let's say their teacher tells the children if they get an 'A' on the next exam, they'll get a cookie, as an incentive for the children to study harder. If your kid gets a C, would you tell him or her it's OK to take one of the cookies reserved for the students who got an A, even though one of the students who earned the A and the cookie wouldn't get a cookie, as he was supposed to?

d

I would tell them to do what they had to do to survive or get ahead.
Personally I don't believe in bribing children with sweets or toys to induce learning or good behavior.

You don't believe in bribing children, but you would teach your children to "do what they had to do," which in this case would be to steal?

I think it's a little strange that you have a problem bribing children, but apparently don't think driving like a maniac, defrauding the airlines and taking things you're not entitled to is wrong.

By "I don't have any power..." do you mean you don't have any power to rob a bank because the tellers are behind bullet proof glass and you'd get caught, or do you mean that no one with the authority to do so has given you the power/right to take the bank's money?

d

This was fun but I am going to end it here because you and I went nowhere really fast.

Cheers,

Jwalkabout

Re: Running a stop sign & hitting a no-lights car at night.
I remember discussing this when I was learning to drive. Later, in my one semester of law school I learned of contributory & comparative negligence.

SO: If I were a judge or juror I would rule that the stop-sign runner is at greater fault because by failing to stop, he could not see whoever was coming--lights or no, speeding or no. HOWEVER, if he had stopped properly, looked & listened, then pulled out & hit the unlit car, I'd rule for him because it's unreasonable to expect him to see said unlit car on a dark road at night despite his best efforts.

okay back to the subject
IF you read this 4 pages later its a VERY BAD idea to use a FF for 2 people these days when you call in and give it the res agnt the FIRST thing it does is pop up your acct AND your future reservations so the first time they see dad goin from one city and jr from anothere there gonna start askin whats up and then you are out

But if this is the only problem, that simply means I need to be careful (which is easy since Dad doesn't fly much), not forego the plan altogether. tls

Yes, its amazing that anyone could actually want the kind of "satisfaction" (personally, yuck) that being a narc may give them (again, yuck), but its true.

Certain FTers have come right out and stated that they would go out of their way to narc out anyone they found breaking airline rules. See this thread:

(http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/006404.html)

Originally posted by PremEx2000, in the thread's lead post:
"If I were an accomplished hacker, I'd find out who the person is then notify my airline. Yes, I'm being a narc but rules are rules and, as I said before, when people break them (especially when they knowingly break them), they should pay the price."

Along with this, if one goes over to moremiles.org, an FT knockoff that was seemingly started by certain FTers who found the "rules" on FT not being enforced well enough for their taste, you will note that "their" rules state:

(http://www.moremiles.org/tos.html)

"WE MAY TAKE ACTION IF YOU ACT UNLAWFULLY:

13. MOREMILES reserves the right to investigate complaints or reported violations of our Statement of Use and to take any action we determine is appropriate including but not limited to reporting any suspected unlawful activity to law enforcement officials, regulators, or other third parties and disclosing any information necessary or appropriate to such persons or entities relating to your profiles, e-mail addresses, usage history, posted materials, IP addresses and traffic information."

Being that almost all of those who are registered and subscribe to these rules over at moremiles are FTers, and you may see them on these FT boards currently, this is just another reason to watch out when posting.

I'm not planning on being a narc; however, I'd prefer that people not break the rules. I'm the one who's not going to get the FC seat, etc, when someone breaks the rules. It's not fair to those of us who act within the rules.

d

Oh, Doppy, doppy, doppy ...

There are so many other ways someone else will take your FC seat. Why cause yourself stress by worrying about the very few that are going to take it by breaking the rules?