Let's net get ridiculous. Putting their life on the line everyday? They are Flight Attendants and Pilots not Special Forces Soldiers...



[This message has been edited by RW (edited 01-10-2002).]

(Originally posted by intobsv:
Interesting article.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ucac/20...e_fits__1.html )

That is an op-ed, not a news article. The author completely missed the point of ethnic/racial profiling.

Profiling is effective in that you can allocate security resources more efficiently by scrutinizing certain races/ethnic groups more so than others. Whether it's fair or legal is a valid question, but I firmly believe it is effective, and is fair if not abused (such as the NJ state troopers).

Profiling doesn't mean you boot off all passengers meeting the profile. The Secret Service agent was questioned and scrutinized, but somehow never passed the "test" of the Captain (paperwork smaperwork).

The author of the op-ed noted that the Supreme Court allows the police to stop cars with Hispanic-looking passengers to look for illegal aliens. Fine, look for illegal aliens, and if you don't find any, let them go. Completing her analogy with AA, the police should deport anyone in a car with Hispanic-looking passengers even when they prove they are legal residents or citizens? That's ludicrous!

Ann Coulter also happens to be the woman who wrote that we should "invade [muslims'] homes, kill their leaders, and convert them all to Christianity." Hardly the voice of reason in this debate.

And what exactly is it that Secret Service agents on Presidential detail do for a living?

Actually, a F/A or a pilot is more likely to get injured or killed in the line of duty than a soldier in special forces.

A subway police in NYC is more likely to be killed in the line of duty than a special forces soldier.

Ask any soldier who belongs in one of our elite units [Rangers, Green beret, etc..] and you'd find out that most of what they do is train and wait. More people get killed in traning accidents than on a mission, and many soldiers leave their unit having never been deployed anywhere close to a combat zone.

Like the Secret Service, it's actually a very safe profession.

Let's tell that to our Vietnam veterans. Give me a break!

Perhaps you'd like to do a little more reading on the topic first.

The casualty rate was lower in the elite units than in the conscript infantry platoons. Unlike the drafted people, the elite units are entirely of volunteers and well trained prior to deployment. In these units, there were lower incidents of drug use and lax discipline which was a terrible detriment to combat efficiency and safety.

Again, it's safer to be a SEAL or Ranger or Airborne than to be a line-grunt forced to patrol the jungle on foot.

None of this has anything to do with the topic. Would the pilot have thrown the agent off if he was white? Why are so many people defending AA or the SS agent w/o data and based on rumors. Why has the board changed so much over the past two years that this thread has become mostly non-sense with people speaking the "truth" which does no exist.

Uh, the people on the front lines in "air terrorism" is us. Many of us here fly as much or more than the Captains and FA's. So I think we clearly have the right to complain if we see them doing something blatantly wrong.

And we really hate it when they claim "security reasons" about something when in fact they are simply showing their own fear, uncertainty and doubt. They get paid to be professionals and we fully expect them to be just that.

I sincerely hope that those who "second-guess" the AA pilot never have to make one of those emotional "last" phone calls to loved ones.

We all have to work together from now on out. This will just not go away in the next month or two.

Just think of the consequences - hurt feelings or eternity!

Wow!
Nine pages so far!!
Will somebody please let this agent board a flight? Any flight! Just let him on!!

What do you think? A white US Airways PILOT has been arrested for making "inappropriate comments" at a security checkpoint. Unlike the past, our airline staff and management is refusing to be dragged into the PC swamp in defiance of the reality of the danger which exists out there.

There was a good article in the main section (Section A) of todays Sunday Wash. Post presenting the SS agents side of the story. I'm sure its in other major papers however I apologize for not having the link.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2002Jan12.html

Now I've seen everything:

From the Washington Post: "A CBS News Web site survey showed that 78 percent of respondents nationwide approved of the airline's actions [in the Secret Service case]."

We need no longer wonder why the security nonsense continues unabated. The public likes it!

Bruce