Know What is Allowed and Not Allowed At Checkpoints
Jan 9, 2002 | 7:28 am
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Know What is Allowed and Not Allowed At Checkpoints
A great article appeared on WorldNetDaily.com today about what is permissable by the FAA for security screeners to do and not to do.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=25974
I for one am printing this out and taking it to the airport with me for now on.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=25974
I for one am printing this out and taking it to the airport with me for now on.
Jan 9, 2002 | 7:34 am
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I'm not so sure about this source. I've been asked, and I've seen many be asked to
do at least four of the "what they cannot ask you to do" items - - e.g. remove my belt, remove my shoes, etc...
do at least four of the "what they cannot ask you to do" items - - e.g. remove my belt, remove my shoes, etc...
Jan 9, 2002 | 7:44 am
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I'm not really sure having a printout of a story and handing it to people who can barely read will be of any help in having them do or not do something with you. I just don't see them changing their minds, I think you will be in for even more hassles.
Jan 9, 2002 | 8:11 am
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You're wasting your time and breath. The screeners will do whatever they want to do, and you can accept it or leave the airport. Those are the very unfortunate facts right now. Most of the American sheeple believe that this kind of abusive treatment is OK as long as it's done in the name of "security."
Personally, I dread going to the airport these days, but I'm going again this afternoon. I hope that things get better eventually, but I am not hopeful.
Bruce
Personally, I dread going to the airport these days, but I'm going again this afternoon. I hope that things get better eventually, but I am not hopeful.
Bruce
Jan 9, 2002 | 8:41 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by svpii:
I'm not so sure about this source. I've been asked, and I've seen many be asked to
do at least four of the "what they cannot ask you to do" items - - e.g. remove my belt, remove my shoes, etc... </font>
I'm not so sure about this source. I've been asked, and I've seen many be asked to
do at least four of the "what they cannot ask you to do" items - - e.g. remove my belt, remove my shoes, etc... </font>
" Ask you to remove your shoes before entering the metal detector. "
So, past the metal detector (boarding gate, etc.), they have the right to remove your shoes. But I could have sworn I saw a CNN news report that showed people taking them off AS they're entering security. Maybe they were going through a second time?
Back in November, I was leaving DTW and, at the security gate, I was given the full pat down and wand-wave, but was asked to "unbuckle" my belt -- first time I've ever had to do that, before I just had to "bend it forward".
RG
[This message has been edited by RadioGuy (edited 01-09-2002).]
Jan 9, 2002 | 8:50 am
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I've had them demand -- nothing is a request these days -- that I remove my belt and put it through the x-ray machine, and there is nothing out of the ordinary about my belt.
Trust me, they can ask that you strip naked and run through the terminal that way. Either do it or leave the airport. And the sheeple like this situation! It makes them feel safe -- even though they are hardly any safer than they were before 9/11.
Bruce
Trust me, they can ask that you strip naked and run through the terminal that way. Either do it or leave the airport. And the sheeple like this situation! It makes them feel safe -- even though they are hardly any safer than they were before 9/11.
Bruce
Jan 9, 2002 | 12:33 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by RadioGuy:
So, past the metal detector (boarding gate, etc.), they have the right to remove your shoes. But I could have sworn I saw a CNN news report that showed people taking them off AS they're entering security. Maybe they were going through a second time?
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So, past the metal detector (boarding gate, etc.), they have the right to remove your shoes. But I could have sworn I saw a CNN news report that showed people taking them off AS they're entering security. Maybe they were going through a second time?
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Jan 9, 2002 | 3:14 pm
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I emailed the guy that wrote that article to see what his sources were. The email is quoted below. I am not sure on the legitamcy b/c I could find nothing on the FAA website.
possibly you missed the source cited at top of
story... document developed by the Air Line Pilots
Association (National Security Committee) and the
FAA's Office of Civil Aviation Security, as a guide
for pilot union members.
possibly you missed the source cited at top of
story... document developed by the Air Line Pilots
Association (National Security Committee) and the
FAA's Office of Civil Aviation Security, as a guide
for pilot union members.
Jan 13, 2002 | 11:04 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gottigotti:
I am not sure on the legitamcy b/c I could find nothing on the FAA website.</font>
I am not sure on the legitamcy b/c I could find nothing on the FAA website.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Security
Strategic Goal: Prevent security incidents in the aviation system.
* No Security Incidents. "Security incidents" means criminal or terrorist acts against commercial passenger air transportation that is subject to security regulation during which weapons, firearms, incendiary or explosive devices are used. These acts must result in hijackings, sabotage, bombings, aircraft piracy, or attacks within the secured areas of airports that could cause fatalities or serious injuries. This definition excludes: Hoax hijackings or bomb threats; unruly passengers; and international disruptions in air traffic service.
* Explosive Device and Weapons Detection: Improve the ability to detect improvised explosive devices and weapons that may be brought aboard aircraft.
* Airport Security: Prevent unauthorized access to aircraft and improve security at airports by a specified* percentage from a 1999 baseline index derived from assessments and tests.
* Airway Facility Risk: Increase the number of FAA facilities fully accredited as meeting security standards to a specified* percent.
FY 2001 Performance Goal:
* Explosive Device and Weapons Detection: Increase the detection rate for explosives and weapons that may be brought aboard aircraft. </font>
Strategic Goal: Prevent security incidents in the aviation system.
* No Security Incidents. "Security incidents" means criminal or terrorist acts against commercial passenger air transportation that is subject to security regulation during which weapons, firearms, incendiary or explosive devices are used. These acts must result in hijackings, sabotage, bombings, aircraft piracy, or attacks within the secured areas of airports that could cause fatalities or serious injuries. This definition excludes: Hoax hijackings or bomb threats; unruly passengers; and international disruptions in air traffic service.
* Explosive Device and Weapons Detection: Improve the ability to detect improvised explosive devices and weapons that may be brought aboard aircraft.
* Airport Security: Prevent unauthorized access to aircraft and improve security at airports by a specified* percentage from a 1999 baseline index derived from assessments and tests.
* Airway Facility Risk: Increase the number of FAA facilities fully accredited as meeting security standards to a specified* percent.
FY 2001 Performance Goal:
* Explosive Device and Weapons Detection: Increase the detection rate for explosives and weapons that may be brought aboard aircraft. </font>
Jan 13, 2002 | 5:41 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bdschobel:
The screeners will do whatever they want to do, and you can accept it or leave the airport. Those are the very unfortunate facts right now. Most of the American sheeple believe that this kind of abusive treatment is OK as long as it's done in the name of "security."
Personally, I dread going to the airport these days, but I'm going again this afternoon. I hope that things get better eventually, but I am not hopeful.
Bruce</font>
The screeners will do whatever they want to do, and you can accept it or leave the airport. Those are the very unfortunate facts right now. Most of the American sheeple believe that this kind of abusive treatment is OK as long as it's done in the name of "security."
Personally, I dread going to the airport these days, but I'm going again this afternoon. I hope that things get better eventually, but I am not hopeful.
Bruce</font>
I will be heading to LAX tomorrow morning for my weekly commute, ahh....
Jan 13, 2002 | 6:47 pm
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Here's what screeners cannot do:
Ask you to remove your shoes before entering the metal detector.
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Here's what screeners cannot do:
Ask you to remove your shoes before entering the metal detector.
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Anyone who would write such a story has obviously not done much flying lately.
[This message has been edited by Dudster (edited 01-14-2002).]