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Old Nov 27, 2013 | 1:04 am
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Originally Posted by maggie08
What is MS? It's not in the FlyerTalk Glossary.
MS is manufactured spending.
When you buy things you can cash out just to get points or miles or cash back. The fees of these things, like VRs (Vanilla Reload packs, which may also not be in there) are outweighed by the amounts of points you might get during such purchases.
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Old Nov 27, 2013 | 12:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Marathon Man
MS is manufactured spending.
When you buy things you can cash out just to get points or miles or cash back. The fees of these things, like VRs (Vanilla Reload packs, which may also not be in there) are outweighed by the amounts of points you might get during such purchases.
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Old Nov 27, 2013 | 12:47 pm
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I guess I've been a real slacker: No social media, no surveys, no wine clubs. I had gone some 19 years without a pure MR until a $138 BNA-RDU RT with a huge bonus mile deal of some sort proved too tough to resist a couple of years ago.

OTOH, the old system of flying-for-miles just isn't being rewarded like before. With MQDs/PQDs, DL and UA want 10 cents per EQM and count only purchases on their ticket stock (a real stealth gotcha), whereas FTers want to pay only around 4 cents, less if possible. I'm unlikely to go beyond silver, if that, on spending patterms and already have that as a MM'er. So DL just went from a program that could incentivize trips that wouldn't have happened at all to "What's the incentive to fly?", which is a spectacular drop in effectiveness for a loyalty program.

And Spirit's alternative is 50% miles and aggressive expiration with mediocre award levels UNLESS you're a cardholder (which many of their customers would not qualify for), so the only real game there is with the credit card (and, for those who are so inclined, MS). Again, no real incentive to fly, at least on paid tickets.

Having some 21 years now of online bookings and the fly-for-miles model (starting with command lines and EAASY SABRE on CompuServe, if you can believe), you could say I liked the old system and have been slow to change, but it's hard to deny that the current system and alignment of rewards can lead to credit-card churnin', spendin'-manufacturin', fuel-dumpin' super-cynics.
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Old Nov 27, 2013 | 1:38 pm
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I used to do the surveys, but no more. Way too much time and info for deflated miles. Any subscriptions, no way jose.
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Old Nov 27, 2013 | 10:12 pm
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I'm doing a MR on Thanksgiving Day tomorrow, so I guess my answer is not much I won't do.
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Old Nov 27, 2013 | 11:14 pm
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I decided today not to bother with Rewards Network dining. I looked at the participating restaurants in my area and estimated that I'd visit them 1/month. For an average check of $40 and at a rate of 3 points/dollar that's about 1500 miles in the first year. I value those miles conservatively at $25 and feel that's just not worth giving my credit card numbers to a third party and letting them track my spending.
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Old Nov 28, 2013 | 10:23 am
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Originally Posted by darthbimmer
I decided today not to bother with Rewards Network dining. I looked at the participating restaurants in my area and estimated that I'd visit them 1/month. For an average check of $40 and at a rate of 3 points/dollar that's about 1500 miles in the first year. I value those miles conservatively at $25 and feel that's just not worth giving my credit card numbers to a third party and letting them track my spending.
Not that it might make much difference to you, but 1 dine/month puts you at VIP status to earn 5points/dollar. So a bit more miles.

But anyway, my own town's selection is dismal, but I enjoy having a pre-selected list of "suggestions" when I travel to new cities.
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Old Nov 28, 2013 | 7:18 pm
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Originally Posted by maggie08
Not that it might make much difference to you, but 1 dine/month puts you at VIP status to earn 5points/dollar. So a bit more miles.
I considered that as part of my calculation. I figured the VIP status wouldn't kick in until after the first year, and then only if I squeeze in 12 dines. The restaurants in my city participating in the program are not ones I visit very often so I'd have to stretch to hit VIP status. And eating at a restaurant I've previously pooh-poohed is one of the things I care not to do for points.
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 1:39 am
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I won't fly on an airline that has crappy service (elderly, burned-out flight attendants) just to get points with the airline alliance I have status with.

For example, given a choice between Cathay Pacific and Air Canada on the same route, I'll choose Cathay every time, even though I do most of my travel with Air Canada and I participate in Air Canada's mileage program.

Paid J is generally the same price on both - but the difference in service, and thus the difference in enjoyment of the flight, is significant.

Similarly, I won't fly on an airline that has crappy lie-flat beds just because it is part of the same alliance as my mileage program... I'll always choose the airline with the best bed, to heck with the points.
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Old Dec 4, 2013 | 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by RustyC
I'm unlikely to go beyond silver, if that, on spending patterms and already have that as a MM'er. So DL just went from a program that could incentivize trips that wouldn't have happened at all to "What's the incentive to fly?", which is a spectacular drop in effectiveness for a loyalty program.
I tend to disagree with what you said, at least generally. I think the main purpose of an airline loyalty program as far as crediting for flights and giving benefits while traveling is to encourage that for those flights that do occur, that they happen on the airline in question. That is, they're NOT primarily designed to create air travel that otherwise wouldn't occur but for the loyalty program. We know that the latter category does happen, and the carriers I'm sure are aware of it to some extent and certainly wouldn't discourage it or be unhappy about it, but I doubt it's any significant input into their planning models.
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Old Jan 20, 2014 | 11:44 pm
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I won't take a connection when I could take a nonstop, or fly a circuitous routing just to earn more EQM.

I won't switch hotels in the same city just to increase my stay count. I already waste time switching rooms far too often (due to unsatisfactory conditions) and I hate wasting time repacking, elevators, etc.

Also agree with all of the following - just don't have the time to waste on this mostly low value time consuming nonsense:

Originally Posted by rodjune
I will not engage in surveys and market research mostly due to time constraints. I won't dine for points unless I already like the restaurant due to previous experience there. I won't online shop for items ...
Most of the restaurants are pathetic, but occasionally I am surprised when I get credit for one that I forgot was on idine.

Originally Posted by Wiirachay
Fly in international Y, as it defeats the purpose of earning miles: to avoid international Y.
Agreed - not worth the abuse.

Originally Posted by GRALISTAIR
Constantly churn credit cards. I have had 6 in the last 13 years - more than enough.
+1 I limit myself to 1-2 new cards per year, mainly to get the signup bonus. And then I cancel the useless ones

Originally Posted by Open Jaw
Thank God there is someone else who refuses to be on Facebook. I hate that site with a passion. I already spend too much time online for work and email, I don't need another reason to do it. Besides who needs FB "friends" when I already have many real ones?
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Originally Posted by milehound
VR / Bluebird style manufactured spending is a nonstarter for me. It gives me headaches just reading the instructions on FT, never mind the stories about finding the cards and varying ability to refill with a credit card.
Agree. I already have enough CCs to track, don't need to add prepaid cards with more balances to track, just to earn a few bonus miles. My spend is high enough that I can easily meet all the thresholds with manufacturing fake spend.

Originally Posted by artemis
I won't apply for business cards, as I don't have a business and I won't lie on a credit card application.
+1 Very risky.
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Old Jan 24, 2014 | 3:46 pm
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I probably won't do the following:
1) Sign up for credit cards. I've had 3 so far, and I don't plan to get any more.
2) Manufactured spend. Don't want to get banned by any banks!
3) Book a "throwaway" hotel room just to complete a promotion
4) Do low-yielding surveys. Some surveys are worth it, most are not.
5) Open hotel accounts for my folks and have them book rooms for me to earn a promo.
6) Mileage runs. The cost in terms of time and wasted productivity is too much.
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Old Jan 24, 2014 | 6:58 pm
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Originally Posted by derek88
I probably won't do the following:
1) Sign up for credit cards. I've had 3 so far, and I don't plan to get any more.
2) Manufactured spend. Don't want to get banned by any banks!
3) Book a "throwaway" hotel room just to complete a promotion
4) Do low-yielding surveys. Some surveys are worth it, most are not.
5) Open hotel accounts for my folks and have them book rooms for me to earn a promo.
6) Mileage runs. The cost in terms of time and wasted productivity is too much.
Wow

We may likely never have a beer together
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Old Jan 24, 2014 | 7:10 pm
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Originally Posted by derek88
I probably won't do the following:
1) Sign up for credit cards. I've had 3 so far, and I don't plan to get any more.
2) Manufactured spend. Don't want to get banned by any banks!
....
Either of those could make some sense. Maybe somewhere. But both?

Just an observation not criticism. To each his own.
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Old Jan 24, 2014 | 9:44 pm
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Originally Posted by KennyBSAT
Either of those could make some sense. Maybe somewhere. But both?

Just an observation not criticism. To each his own.
Hmmm, I think I could open an extra credit card or two

It's just that I find it is easy to forget to pay a bill (even though I have it all on an Excel sheet). Had a late payment. Recently almost had another late payment!

Hey, any tips on keeping on top of all the credit-card/loan/internet/utility/etc. bills??
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