Traveling beyond your means on miles and points
#151
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Land of the parrots and parrotheads
Programs: Several dozen
Posts: 4,820
But with the government rolling out dollars like toilet paper and inflation at the pump and grocery store don't we owe it to the country to beat prices to the ground, stop business as is and solidy whack those politicians who want to turn the US into postwar Germany?.
Your money may be worthless and you can't afford food or gas to get to work, but here, have a dish of debt with a little health care sprinkled on it.
Your money may be worthless and you can't afford food or gas to get to work, but here, have a dish of debt with a little health care sprinkled on it.
Why even offer? They already got heckled by your Amway selling brother in law! Nobody is interested in something that is "so easy to do and I'll show you how." You have to let them find it. Stop pushing. All you accomplish by pushing is to convince them that you're involved in a scam or criminal activity. What benefit do you get by pushing anyway unless you're an Amway seller, erm, I mean credit card affiliate. I go my way, and my friends and relatives must go their way. It is their choice to either not travel (some hate travel) or to pay a lot more (some people feel more comfortable paying more). I don't get the money they would save if they traveled cheaper but I would get the blame if something went wrong. Let it rest.
#152
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: NYC
Programs: AA EXP, Hilton GLD, Marriott Plat, NEXUS/GE
Posts: 2,872
Why even offer? They already got heckled by your Amway selling brother in law! Nobody is interested in something that is "so easy to do and I'll show you how." You have to let them find it. Stop pushing. All you accomplish by pushing is to convince them that you're involved in a scam or criminal activity. What benefit do you get by pushing anyway unless you're an Amway seller, erm, I mean credit card affiliate. I go my way, and my friends and relatives must go their way. It is their choice to either not travel (some hate travel) or to pay a lot more (some people feel more comfortable paying more).
#153
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Los Angeles
Programs: Hyatt, Hilton, Marriott // WN, AA, BA, UA, AS // Avis
Posts: 1,314
I'm in a beautiful suite at the HR in Hong Kong right now. Before this, had stops in Tokyo and Beijing, also in very nice suites. Oh, and I flew in J on JAL to get there... and flying F on CX going back home to Los Angeles in a few days.
And last year I did a 4 city tour in South America. Again, all suites, all J class. And I'll still have enough miles/points for at least 2 or 3 similar trips.
And my friends were all laughing at me when I was hauling 10k+ coins to the bank each week for months on end... I've sent every single one of them at least 1 email/photo/postcard from the various destinations I've been to so far, and plan to continue doing so
And last year I did a 4 city tour in South America. Again, all suites, all J class. And I'll still have enough miles/points for at least 2 or 3 similar trips.
And my friends were all laughing at me when I was hauling 10k+ coins to the bank each week for months on end... I've sent every single one of them at least 1 email/photo/postcard from the various destinations I've been to so far, and plan to continue doing so
#154
In memoriam
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 692
We are a small niche group. In my company of about 4,000 there are no peers that I am aware of. My SO is the second peer I ever ran into. The first was a fellow cardinal and I have met a few since in the TCC, the Agency and FT. You have to have a certain mindset.
Why even offer? They already got heckled by your Amway selling brother in law! Nobody is interested in something that is "so easy to do and I'll show you how." You have to let them find it. Stop pushing. All you accomplish by pushing is to convince them that you're involved in a scam or criminal activity. What benefit do you get by pushing anyway unless you're an Amway seller, erm, I mean credit card affiliate. I go my way, and my friends and relatives must go their way. It is their choice to either not travel (some hate travel) or to pay a lot more (some people feel more comfortable paying more). I don't get the money they would save if they traveled cheaper but I would get the blame if something went wrong. Let it rest.
#155
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Times Square
Programs: SPG Gold, AAdvantage
Posts: 1,397
Why even offer? They already got heckled by your Amway selling brother in law! Nobody is interested in something that is "so easy to do and I'll show you how." You have to let them find it. Stop pushing. All you accomplish by pushing is to convince them that you're involved in a scam or criminal activity. What benefit do you get by pushing anyway unless you're an Amway seller, erm, I mean credit card affiliate. I go my way, and my friends and relatives must go their way. It is their choice to either not travel (some hate travel) or to pay a lot more (some people feel more comfortable paying more). I don't get the money they would save if they traveled cheaper but I would get the blame if something went wrong. Let it rest.
#156
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Syracuse, ny
Posts: 32
Brazil?!
hey! When are you headed to brazil? We are going for thanksgiving this year!!
When I talk about my upcoming trips, like the one to Brazil, I often find myself adding like a disclaimer or something--"Of course I got free flights on miles". There is no way someone of my income level could afford the kind of travel I do otherwise, especially in Australia where they don't have the mega credit card bonuses I can get as a US citizen with a good Fico. It's like I don't want people to think I am secretly wealthy (I am not) and try to hit me up for loans or something. And I don't want people who see us walking out of an IC or Westin (on points) to think I am one of those rich people who usually stay there.
Does anyone else do this? I mean "apologize" or add disclaimers when they talk about their travels?
Does anyone else do this? I mean "apologize" or add disclaimers when they talk about their travels?
#157
In memoriam
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 692
That's a really interesting question. Of course, there are big differences between Amway (or any other MLM business) and the miles/points game that we all play. (The biggest being that we don't have to enroll anyone else in anything in order to get ahead... i.e. in most cases, I don't get significantly more miles/points if I share all my information with you.) But yeah, it's a funny thought!
#158
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Times Square
Programs: SPG Gold, AAdvantage
Posts: 1,397
That's a really interesting question. Of course, there are big differences between Amway (or any other MLM business) and the miles/points game that we all play. (The biggest being that we don't have to enroll anyone else in anything in order to get ahead... i.e. in most cases, I don't get significantly more miles/points if I share all my information with you.) But yeah, it's a funny thought!
#159
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: USA
Posts: 232
I've recently made a friend into a convert. After some persuasion and a three hour discussion, he decided to jump on the two-browser trick that will help him get to South America and Europe. Even though there are other cards that require no minimum spend or have a small annual fee, which is often worth the investment, he's decided two cards is enough.
Others think it's easy to find a cheap flight without miles. (Because they're not into getting a credit card). That's sometimes true, but they expect me to find them something equivalent to a mistake fare. "You're going to Japan for under $500!? Can you find me something like that? Except I want to go to the beach, so, something tropical." It's very sporadic and spontaneous because the window is only a few hours (with mistake fares). And I haven't figured out how to decipher dumping, so I'm still a rookie.
Either way, it adds fuel to the fire that my excitement — and addiction — can positively influence others so they are able to travel and experience more than they imagined.^
Others think it's easy to find a cheap flight without miles. (Because they're not into getting a credit card). That's sometimes true, but they expect me to find them something equivalent to a mistake fare. "You're going to Japan for under $500!? Can you find me something like that? Except I want to go to the beach, so, something tropical." It's very sporadic and spontaneous because the window is only a few hours (with mistake fares). And I haven't figured out how to decipher dumping, so I'm still a rookie.
Either way, it adds fuel to the fire that my excitement — and addiction — can positively influence others so they are able to travel and experience more than they imagined.^
#160
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Phoenix area
Programs: AA, SWA, most hotel programs
Posts: 356
It depends on what your definition of "good" is. My husband and I traveled 5 months in 13 countries (Fiji, NZ, AU, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Bahrain, Jordan, Israel, Greeze, Spain and Portugal & NYC) and never spent anywhere near $100 per person. Our most expensive country was Fiji with $136 per day for two of us, and that included our hotel for $95 per night (buffet breakfast and sport activities included). Next highest was NYC for $125 for two of us, free hotel with SPG points at FourPoints. Yes, there were a few times we felt like we would have liked to spend more, like in Langkawi, Malaysia using our SPG points at the Sheraton it would have been nice to eat at the hotel more but we just walked 1/2 mile into town to eat at the local restaurants or ate at the hotel's happy hour. We have a couple of friends who hate our method of travel but most envy it. For us, it was a terrific trip that was worth staying on budget in order to take it.
#161
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: AUS
Programs: Doing GS11, probably affiliated with every program out there
Posts: 188
wow... I mean wow that's so deep :P I can't sleep tonight after reading this.
#162
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Land of the parrots and parrotheads
Programs: Several dozen
Posts: 4,820
Heck, my scouts have a good time on less than $25 a day. Then again we hike for transportation, camp in tents, sit on rocks and dine on MREs.
It depends on what your definition of "good" is. My husband and I traveled 5 months in 13 countries (Fiji, NZ, AU, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Bahrain, Jordan, Israel, Greeze, Spain and Portugal & NYC) and never spent anywhere near $100 per person. Our most expensive country was Fiji with $136 per day for two of us, and that included our hotel for $95 per night (buffet breakfast and sport activities included). Next highest was NYC for $125 for two of us, free hotel with SPG points at FourPoints. Yes, there were a few times we felt like we would have liked to spend more, like in Langkawi, Malaysia using our SPG points at the Sheraton it would have been nice to eat at the hotel more but we just walked 1/2 mile into town to eat at the local restaurants or ate at the hotel's happy hour. We have a couple of friends who hate our method of travel but most envy it. For us, it was a terrific trip that was worth staying on budget in order to take it.
#163
In memoriam
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 692
This is true. If I share all my information with you and you actually get hooked, well now I've just diluted the mileage/point redemption opportunity pool by just a little bit potentially hurting my ability to redeem. But as this thread shows, so few actually go through the effort to even try and get into the game.
It's all kind of an interesting mind game, though. :-)
#164
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: IAD
Programs: Chase Million Miler, SPG Gold, HHonors Gold, Hyatt Platinum
Posts: 2,729
It depends on what your definition of "good" is. My husband and I traveled 5 months in 13 countries (Fiji, NZ, AU, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Bahrain, Jordan, Israel, Greeze, Spain and Portugal & NYC) and never spent anywhere near $100 per person. Our most expensive country was Fiji with $136 per day for two of us, and that included our hotel for $95 per night (buffet breakfast and sport activities included). Next highest was NYC for $125 for two of us, free hotel with SPG points at FourPoints. Yes, there were a few times we felt like we would have liked to spend more, like in Langkawi, Malaysia using our SPG points at the Sheraton it would have been nice to eat at the hotel more but we just walked 1/2 mile into town to eat at the local restaurants or ate at the hotel's happy hour. We have a couple of friends who hate our method of travel but most envy it. For us, it was a terrific trip that was worth staying on budget in order to take it.
#165
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,767
Let's say you can get by with $100 per day for BOTH of you, (that is a very low level that I doubt it could be done when we are talking about EVERYTHING INCLUDED - foods, transportation, sightseeing, occasionally paid lodging), 5 months would be 150+ days, at $100, it is still $15K cold hard cash... so to put a perspective....
Not to mention the duration of the trip.... if the 5 months were done on a single stretch... The longish trips we tend to do at least one every year would normally be limited to 45 days for various reasons including certain regular monthly medical appointments we must keep, so 45 days would be as stretched as we could get. Besides, long trips do put strain on one's body and mind.
Not to mention the duration of the trip.... if the 5 months were done on a single stretch... The longish trips we tend to do at least one every year would normally be limited to 45 days for various reasons including certain regular monthly medical appointments we must keep, so 45 days would be as stretched as we could get. Besides, long trips do put strain on one's body and mind.
It depends on what your definition of "good" is. My husband and I traveled 5 months in 13 countries (Fiji, NZ, AU, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Bahrain, Jordan, Israel, Greeze, Spain and Portugal & NYC) and never spent anywhere near $100 per person. Our most expensive country was Fiji with $136 per day for two of us, and that included our hotel for $95 per night (buffet breakfast and sport activities included). Next highest was NYC for $125 for two of us, free hotel with SPG points at FourPoints. Yes, there were a few times we felt like we would have liked to spend more, like in Langkawi, Malaysia using our SPG points at the Sheraton it would have been nice to eat at the hotel more but we just walked 1/2 mile into town to eat at the local restaurants or ate at the hotel's happy hour. We have a couple of friends who hate our method of travel but most envy it. For us, it was a terrific trip that was worth staying on budget in order to take it.