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Old Jul 26, 2011 | 11:06 pm
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Originally Posted by pinniped
Agree with earlier comments: a few simple sorts/filters would be cool. e.g., I just want to look at redeemable one-ways. Or I just want to look at the biz cabin. Etc...
Got it...this will definitely be something I add given the repeated mentions of it.
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not sure what I'm doing wrong.
I typed in several searches and everytime I hit enter or "calculate it" it just returns me right back to the same empty search page. No results.
Gonna need more specifics to troubleshoot it than that. :-:
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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 12:29 am
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Great tool that has been needed for a long time. Thanks.

If you could include ANA that would be especially useful, since ANA has distance-based pricing for awards. This could get complex because the cost of the award really depends ont he each route flown. To keep it siimple you could just calculate the direct distance between the two airports and base the award on that as the minimum cost.
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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 12:34 am
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Looks good! ^ I'd implemented something similar for Mileage Monkey (http://slfft.org/mm/award.htm) way back when but it is out of date now.
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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 2:47 am
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Originally Posted by lewinr
If you could include ANA that would be especially useful, since ANA has distance-based pricing for awards. This could get complex because the cost of the award really depends ont he each route flown. To keep it siimple you could just calculate the direct distance between the two airports and base the award on that as the minimum cost.
It is my intention to add distance-based charts in the very near future. As you've noted the complexity of routing is rather significant but I will be using the great circle distances and hoping that it sufficient.

Additionally, the issues with airports in the central USA should now be resolved. I've tested with DEN and ORD and it is now returning results. Sorry about that.
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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 4:39 am
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Nice! Great tool...
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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 5:30 am
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what am I doing wrong?

I pulled it up on both Chrome and IE, put in DTW->PVG and DTW-ORD, hit the button and zip / zero / zilch happened?
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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 11:00 am
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Originally Posted by 2tall4economy
what am I doing wrong?
I have no idea but those searches are working just fine for me in IE and FF.
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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 11:29 am
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I tried BWI-LHR & one of the return results was Qatar Airways metal... not sure if that is accurate, BA is the only intl carrier (non-ghetto mind you) at BWI.
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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 12:44 pm
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the more I play with it the more I like it.

It could be super powerful if the following (admittedly not trivial) features were implemented:

1. Alliance/Partner filters: the ability to limit the output to the members of a specific alliance. Or to choose a specific airline and say "show me all partners who will allow me to redeem on this airline from X to Y" (this can be very useful as sometimes the best values are with partners who are not in an alliance).

2. Showing only valid routes/awards. for example if I choose MOW (Moscow) to UUS (Sakhalin), the table includes Continental and Qatar "Own" flights in the results which obviously dont exist between these airports, so there's no reason to show them. In fact, there are no star-alliance carriers flying that route at all so it would be ideal to not show any star-alliance members. Eliminating US Airways "own" flights could be accomplished pretty easily by parsing the http://openflights.org/data.html database. Eliminating all alliance flights is much more complicated as you would need to check if any valid route exists between the airports on any carrier in the alliance. (And then there are non-published routes and things like "two region awards" that could also be considered.) But it would be really cool...

A few other minor points:
- BMI Diamond Club shows a region in the table called "Eurpoe 2".
- You should probably check exceptions in some programs for Hawaii and the Russian Far East (Sakhalin, Vladivostok, etc) which often are excluded from the North America or Europe (respectively) regions.
- For some programs you show only one-way awards. When you will add a filter for "one-way" and "return" it will be reasonable to double-up the "one-way" amounts and show them as "return" for easy comparison.

Thanks again for a great tool.

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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 1:10 pm
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BOS-SCL offers:

US Airways Dividend Miles; Off-peak Economy; 35000; Own

As far as I am aware, AC is the only *A North American carrier that flies to SCL, so US-Own isn't a valid option.

Would be nice if there were three checkboxes before the search to narrow the options (leaving all three as checked by default would accomplish the same as the current state): Y, J, F

Also, since we're only allowed O & D, the "map it" feature is pretty useless for something like BOS-SCL, since there is no non-stop service on any carrier.

Great idea for a tool though - look forward to seeing the mileage/km-based programs added.
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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 2:02 pm
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Originally Posted by kopflyer
BOS-SCL offers:

US Airways Dividend Miles; Off-peak Economy; 35000; Own

As far as I am aware, AC is the only *A North American carrier that flies to SCL, so US-Own isn't a valid option.
But US does publish North America - Deep South America on their charts. That's why it shows. I love the idea of evaluating every single city pair to know whether the airline actually operates routes there but that's just too much data and too complicated. This tool is never going to have all the answers; I do not think it is reasonable to create one that can. But it should be darn close most of the time.

Originally Posted by kopflyer
Would be nice if there were three checkboxes before the search to narrow the options (leaving all three as checked by default would accomplish the same as the current state): Y, J, F
This is definitely something I can work on, though it will be at least 4 (Premium Economy) and possibly 6 (including the off-peak options).

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Also, since we're only allowed O & D, the "map it" feature is pretty useless for something like BOS-SCL, since there is no non-stop service on any carrier.
That's a vestige from the tool I copied the underlying page from. I can trash it. Agreed that it is minimal value.

Originally Posted by kopflyer
look forward to seeing the mileage/km-based programs added.
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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 8:09 pm
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Nice! Bookmarked!
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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 11:14 pm
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working for me now!
I don't know what was wrong with it last night.

Love it.



Could you please implement a feature to sort the rewards by lowest/highest mileage cost and by class?
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Old Jul 28, 2011 | 1:17 am
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Class of service filtering is now enabled. Only known limitation at this time is that searching for Y will include Y+. Otherwise checking the appropriate boxes should get you what you want.
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Old Jul 28, 2011 | 9:07 am
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Great job! ^

The hickups Ive found so far:

1) origin region and destination region are sometimes the wrong way around (enter: LHR-SFO, table displays NA-Europe); not that it really makes a big difference

2) the chart displays numbers for bmi - First Class - Own; obviously BD doesnt operate a First Class cabin, so you could probably just eliminate that column

3) BA is slightly confusing: Currently only awards on BA metal seem to be loaded which leads to some ridiculous figures like 140k/280k/420k miles for LAX-SYD. I think displaying the correct numbers for OW FFPs is more difficult than *A FFPs. Maybe you could implement the following categories for OW FFPs:

own metal
one partner airline only
(unlimited partner airlines)

4) Regarding the round-trip vs. one-way issue:

if possible Id use the one-way figures if the FFP allows members to book awards at 50% of the return cost (e.g. BD, UA) and return figures for all other airlines (e.g. US)
Not sure whether it would be too much trouble, but this would lead to one-way figures for LH/LX/OS own metal awards and return figures for *A awards (once M&M has been loaded, of course)
It may also make sense to point out this info on the first page...

Thanks a lot for your work!
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